Abortion: Even the non-religious should be against it

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Well to be frank it IS the mother body and it is NOTHING to do with you what she does with it. A fetus is not a baby, it is a blob of cells. It has no feelings, no awareness, feels nothing, knows nothing. It is no more human than a sperm cell is a human. Which means by your rational every time a man masturbates he kills 500,000,000 potential babies.
I strongly, strongly, strongly, suggest you go out and get yourself an education regarding the development of the human uterine entitity. Then, if you’ve managed to grasp the concept, come back and discuss the matter with the big kids.
 
Well to be frank it IS the mother body and it is NOTHING to do with you what she does with it. A fetus is not a baby, it is a blob of cells. It has no feelings, no awareness, feels nothing, knows nothing. It is no more human than a sperm cell is a human. Which means by your rational every time a man masturbates he kills 500,000,000 potential babies.
Of course sperm cells by themselves aren’t human. A sperm cell that has fertilized an egg cell, however, that is conception. Conception = a new human life. Why is that just because the fetus is unaware of its surroundings that makes it non-human? Does this mean that a person in a Persistent Vegetative State is not a human?

Then again, with how euthanasia is getting higher regard from some people, I guess they aren’t human beings as well.
 
I agree that abortion is wrong, but what about someone who was raped, or about 13 years old?

I have seen the effects of rape and on the family of that person. It’s devastating, so I can understand why someone would not want to keep that baby, but I still know that it’s wrong to kill another human being, no matter at what stage of development they are at.

What are you opinions?
If a mother is raped, does that take away from who the fetus is. The fetus created through rape is the same as any other fetus, biologically. If we consider one fetus a person who has rights, we have to consider all fetus’ to be persons and have rights. The Pro-life argument rests partly on the fact that the fetus is a person. How can one fetus be a person and another one isn’t. The Pro-life argunment will be destroyed if we pick and choose which fetus has a right to life. We still consider the rapist a person! He still has rights. But the innocen fetus doesn’t of course.
 
Read Nat Hentoff-a Jewish athiest civil libertarian pro-lifer. Google Nat Hentoff & Pro-life.

Also a great jazz critic.
I’m glad you mentioned him as an example of a pro-life athiest. I can’t think of too many others. I remember reading one or more of his essays on abortion in Human Life Review back in the 80s. And more recently he expressed revulsion at the judicial murder of Terri Shiavo.
 
Wouldn’t it be nice if everything was that black and white in the real world.

Unfortunately it is not. The bottom line is mothers DO have the right to an abortion, and it IS the mothers body, and it IS the mothers choice.

Abortion is sometimes the better choice, and is a right that will never be taken away from the mother.
If those that believe in life have more children and as a percentage they become the majority. Then we will overturn these laws that allows for the legal killing of humans. Those that would chose death, are losing large numbers…which is why the country is becoming more conservative…
 
Abortion, to me, is one of the most disgusting, evil things that is done in this world. I will never, ever, ever be “alright” with abortion in the sense that I won’t actively oppose it. There will be people that say, “Oh, don’t you push your religion on me!”
I completely agree!!👍 And it really is sad. Because of abortion, 1/3 of our generation is missing. It has affected our generation perhaps more than any other at this point. I hope we can end abortion so that what happened to our generaton never happens to future ones.
 
Well to be frank it IS the mother body and it is NOTHING to do with you what she does with it. A fetus is not a baby, it is a blob of cells. It has no feelings, no awareness, feels nothing, knows nothing. It is no more human than a sperm cell is a human. Which means by your rational every time a man masturbates he kills 500,000,000 potential babies.
A fetus is not a baby, it is a blob of cells? Wow, I haven’t seen that attempt at rationalization for quite some time! Is this one of your “scientific facts,” like “the earth is round?” I submit that you are a blob of cells.

A new human being is formed at conception. It’s not a potential baby or a potential human or a potential person. It is a baby and a human and a person. It’s the responsibility of those of us who understand universal law to do everything we can to stop the killing of innocent human beings, including the unborn.

If you can’t see the difference between “life” as it pertains to spermatozoa and “life” as it pertains to a human being, you haven’t the education to debate this issue. I suggest you find some books on basic biology and embryology and read them.
 
I agree that abortion is wrong, but what about someone who was raped, or about 13 years old?

I have seen the effects of rape and on the family of that person. It’s devastating, so I can understand why someone would not want to keep that baby, but I still know that it’s wrong to kill another human being, no matter at what stage of development they are at.

What are you opinions?
Try to look at it this way. Being raped is a horrible experience. The woman who is raped is a victim. But if she becomes pregnant via rape, half of the genetic information present in her unborn son or daughter comes from her. The unborn child is her child, even more so than the rapist’s child because she carries her child in her womb.

The woman is a victim. The child is a victim. Why should rape have the effect of turning a woman, who has already been victimized, into the murderer of her own child? And why should the child die? What did he or she do? What is the reason for his or her murder?

If anyone should be punished, it is the rapist. And he should be punished! Not an innocent child!

Your thinking is clear. You are correct when you say it’s wrong to kill another human being, no matter the stage he/she is at.

It’s also true that it’s wrong to kill another human being who has had the misfortune of being conceived via rape.

If the child will remind his/her mother of her rape, she has the option of giving her child up for adoption. There are no unwanted children. There is help available for the mother - psychological counseling, help with food, rent, utilities, furniture, maternity clothes, baby clothes, diapers, etc. There are always people around to help. A 13-year old child probably would have problems raising a child, although I knew a woman who was raped at 13, gave birth, and kept her child. She didn’t regret her decision. That child is now an adult.

All one has to do to find help is to call the local Catholic Church (or church of their choice) or the local Chamber of Commerce. There are also phone numbers for various organizations in the phone book. I was amazed to find all the help that is available in the little town where I live.

I hope this helps! God bless you! 🙂
 
Try to look at it this way. Being raped is a horrible experience. The woman who is raped is a victim. But if she becomes pregnant via rape, half of the genetic information present in her unborn son or daughter comes from her. The unborn child is her child, even more so than the rapist’s child because she carries her child in her womb.

The woman is a victim. The child is a victim. Why should rape have the effect of turning a woman, who has already been victimized, into the murderer of her own child? And why should the child die? What did he or she do? What is the reason for his or her murder?

If anyone should be punished, it is the rapist. And he should be punished! Not an innocent child!

Your thinking is clear. You are correct when you say it’s wrong to kill another human being, no matter the stage he/she is at.

It’s also true that it’s wrong to kill another human being who has had the misfortune of being conceived via rape.

If the child will remind his/her mother of her rape, she has the option of giving her child up for adoption. There are no unwanted children. There is help available for the mother - psychological counseling, help with food, rent, utilities, furniture, maternity clothes, baby clothes, diapers, etc. There are always people around to help. A 13-year old child probably would have problems raising a child, although I knew a woman who was raped at 13, gave birth, and kept her child. She didn’t regret her decision. That child is now an adult.

All one has to do to find help is to call the local Catholic Church (or church of their choice) or the local Chamber of Commerce. There are also phone numbers for various organizations in the phone book. I was amazed to find all the help that is available in the little town where I live.

I hope this helps! God bless you! 🙂
Yes the child is innocent. It will be hard for the mother, and we should all support and love her as she goes through the trauma. However the child is inncoent. Two wrongs don’t make a right. As I said before, if one fetus is a person all are. The fetus doesn’t change because it was formed through a violent (and dispicable might I add) act. 👍
 
I strongly, strongly, strongly, suggest you go out and get yourself an education regarding the development of the human uterine entitity. Then, if you’ve managed to grasp the concept, come back and discuss the matter with the big kids.
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Of course sperm cells by themselves aren’t human. A sperm cell that has fertilized an egg cell, however, that is conception. Conception = a new human life. Why is that just because the fetus is unaware of its surroundings that makes it non-human? Does this mean that a person in a Persistent Vegetative State is not a human?

Then again, with how euthanasia is getting higher regard from some people, I guess they aren’t human beings as well.
Well these are good questions. I would not agree that a fetus should be considered the same as a developed adult, not just because it is unaware.

I would also agree with euthanasia in certain circumstances.
 
If those that believe in life have more children and as a percentage they become the majority. Then we will overturn these laws that allows for the legal killing of humans. Those that would chose death, are losing large numbers…which is why the country is becoming more conservative…
Maybe in the USA. Furthermore not everyone agrees with, or practices, indoctrination. In that case people would just travel to have an abortion, or god forbid get a back alley one. 😦
 
A fetus is not a baby, it is a blob of cells? Wow, I haven’t seen that attempt at rationalization for quite some time! Is this one of your “scientific facts,” like “the earth is round?” I submit that you are a blob of cells.

A new human being is formed at conception. It’s not a potential baby or a potential human or a potential person. It is a baby and a human and a person. It’s the responsibility of those of us who understand universal law to do everything we can to stop the killing of innocent human beings, including the unborn.

If you can’t see the difference between “life” as it pertains to spermatozoa and “life” as it pertains to a human being, you haven’t the education to debate this issue. I suggest you find some books on basic biology and embryology and read them.
Nonsense, i suggest you open a biology book and look up emergent properties.

Anyway you all seem to miss the point. I personally would want a to see a child aborted, heck I’m a vegetarian. But the fact is i have no right, and you have no right, to tell someone else what to do with there body/life. Much like i would never dream of forcing everyone not to eat meat, even although i think all life is precious. I would never dream of forcing my views on abortion on to others.
 
Nonsense, i suggest you open a biology book and look up emergent properties.

Anyway you all seem to miss the point. I personally would want a to see a child aborted, heck I’m a vegetarian. But the fact is i have no right, and you have no right, to tell someone else what to do with there body/life. Much like i would never dream of forcing everyone not to eat meat, even although i think all life is precious. I would never dream of forcing my views on abortion on to others.
The biology classes I went to stated that an embyro is in fact a lifeform of its own, so its imposible to state that its not a human life.
 
Nonsense, i suggest you open a biology book and look up emergent properties.

Anyway you all seem to miss the point. I personally would want a to see a child aborted, heck I’m a vegetarian. But the fact is i have no right, and you have no right, to tell someone else what to do with there body/life. Much like i would never dream of forcing everyone not to eat meat, even although i think all life is precious. I would never dream of forcing my views on abortion on to others.
I have the utmost respect for individuals that are vegetarians as long as they are not trying to force others on this path. You can find a few here. What I find tragic is when a human being has less feelings for a human fetus that will be born tomorrow then an animal. I feel for you. You posted above that you would want to see an abortion, that is extremely sad. I would not want to have visited Aushzwitz, nor Jeffrey Dalmers death. In my opinion every death should be mourned, even those that are justified such as Dalmers. Innocent children killed be their parents, even before they are born is really a crime against humanity. Some might say it is legal, but slavery, and feeding people to lions was legal in the past and it does not make if morally acceptable behavior.
 
I have the utmost respect for individuals that are vegetarians as long as they are not trying to force others on this path. You can find a few here. What I find tragic is when a human being has less feelings for a human fetus that will be born tomorrow then an animal. I feel for you. You posted above that you would want to see an abortion, that is extremely sad. I would not want to have visited Aushzwitz, nor Jeffrey Dalmers death. In my opinion every death should be mourned, even those that are justified such as Dalmers. Innocent children killed be their parents, even before they are born is really a crime against humanity. Some might say it is legal, but slavery, and feeding people to lions was legal in the past and it does not make if morally acceptable behavior.
Lypher, I think that was a typo, if I am correct. I think Hooding Trees meant to say “wouldn’t”
 
I have the utmost respect for individuals that are vegetarians as long as they are not trying to force others on this path. You can find a few here. What I find tragic is when a human being has less feelings for a human fetus that will be born tomorrow then an animal. I feel for you. You posted above that you would want to see an abortion, that is extremely sad. I would not want to have visited Aushzwitz, nor Jeffrey Dalmers death. In my opinion every death should be mourned, even those that are justified such as Dalmers. Innocent children killed be their parents, even before they are born is really a crime against humanity. Some might say it is legal, but slavery, and feeding people to lions was legal in the past and it does not make if morally acceptable behavior.
The posts should have read WOULDNT want to see a child aborted, Sorry my bad. THe point still remains.
 
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