Abortion is all that matters

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Did you read my post? I explained how we could avoid jailing millions…

We still have the drug laws and jail millions for those violations and have lots of people still using drugs. Should we just legalize drugs?

Murders still occur, but probably a lot fewer because of the laws against it. We still have sufficient respect for life to have kept those laws, and that is an important statement by our society.

We need to protect all human life, and protect respect for all human life by having laws against taking all human life.

Which is not to say that we should not do other things. For example, I think that publicizing pictures such as this is a good idea:

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And events such as this one: Live From New York - Live ultrasound in Times Square - YouTube
–Alive from New York City (2.25 minutes long, but gets to the point in about 30 seconds)
 
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Its political suicide in my country - there are no candidates against abortion and if they are they keep their mouths shut - I cannot vote for a pro-life candidate there are none - so what do i do not vote?
 
How many people have had three abortions, that is even assuming getting caught each time? I do not think it is millions, or even thousands.
 
pnewton said:
How many people have had three abortions, that is even assuming getting caught each time? I do not think it is millions, or even thousands.
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I think you, like me, have no idea so why speculate!
My point is making abortion illegal will not stop abortion and I don’t believe it will reduce it.
 
Yes, but a stable relationship is not marriage, so there is no basis for your statement that
Anrakyr said:
the church says relations between spouses are (while not required) are important to a healthy relationship.
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There is a wide gulf between being in a stable relationship and being raped.
 
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As far as I’m aware the abortion background rate stays pretty much flat if abortion is outlawed. You’d also have mass protests across the US and be putting your economy under further pressure as I imagine a consumer boycott of US goods would follow in developed markets.

Right now you’ve got people stockpiling emergency contraception, in states which have brought in so called “heartbeat” bans or worse have collectives acquiring equipment and training how to perform abortions as safely as possible in a non surgical environment.

This wont be a popular opinion around here, but if you want to reduce abortion then are things that can be done. Improve SRE across all school age groups (K-12, I think its called), improve access to contraceptives, and provide better public housing support services through federal funds.
 
BT3241 said:
Its political suicide in my country - there are no candidates against abortion and if they are they keep their mouths shut - I cannot vote for a pro-life candidate there are none - so what do i do not vote?
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If one supports more restrictions vote for them. Otherwise that’s where not being a single issue voter comes in.
 
thistle said:
There would likely be a massive increase in backstreet abortions.
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While no one wants to return to those days, it’s not like legalizing abortion got rid of the back alley abortionist.

It just moved him to a main street storefront.
 
thistle said:
As I have said I am totally against abortion which is a despicable sin.

However, to those who want to make it illegal throughout the entire country how will that work in practice?
In 2017 in the US there were around 900,000 known abortions (I haven’t seen figures for backstreet ones). Abortions often involve more than the woman having the abortion (support from family/friends).
Do you plan to jail possibly 2 million people annually??
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I believe historically the anti-abortion laws in the US normally focused the punishment on the doctor much more than the woman. There are far fewer doctors who perform abortions than women who receive them, which frees up that logistical issue.
I would like abortions to stop but I don’t know what the answer is.

Remember Prohibition? Nobody stopped drinking. They just did it illegally.
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Prohibition didn’t stop people from drinking alcohol entirely, but it did lower it somewhat. In that sense, it was a success. It was eventually judged to not be enough of a success to make up for problems like increased organized crime and the extra tax on police forces.

Now you might ask how we can find data for how much drinking was going on during Prohibition when it was illegal. Well, there aren’t hard numbers for the amount sold, but there’s one statistic that’s key: Alchol-related diseases went down. For example:
http://www.nber.org/papers/w3675

All that said, I do agree that people focus too much on “make abortion illegal!” and seem to ignore any other possible social policy that could, while not making abortion illegal, nevertheless reduce the numbers of abortions performed.
 
You asked for what made up the other percentage not the degrees of separation between them.
 
JSRG said:
All that said, I do agree that people focus too much on “make abortion illegal!” and seem to ignore any other possible social policy that could, while not making abortion illegal, nevertheless reduce the numbers of abortions performed.
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See I find the whole topic very frustrating. We in effect want a world where the government stays out of everything. Leaves us alone, leaves businesses alone, doesn’t regulate prices. We judge each other harshly constantly instead of being kind. We are happy to quote “it takes a village” to family but forget the village isn’t one family.

Then we have corporations who pay pennies on the dollar. People living pay check to pay check where if the smallest thing goes wrong it all goes off the rails. We expect average Joe to make unrealistic cuts but forget cheap food is health issue time bombs.

To add to all that we teach men they can’t have feelings and they got to take what they want. We don’t believe women when they speak up and would rather brand them hysterical.

BUT we have a clinic that after a bad mistake or unfortunate event we can shed off 18 years of lost income and responsibilities.

BUT we want the government who we wanted to butt out till this point to NOW step in and solve for X?

I want to end abortion too but you can’t make a world where people are so isolated and not have them take the easiest way to get out.
 
Couldn’t agree more.

The question I like asked is, “What is worse, the abortion or the reasons people feel compelled to seek abortion?”

I suggest if someone really want to contribute to ending abortion, focus on the second half of the question. The fact that your brothers and sisters feel compelled to seek out abortion should be far more upsetting than the actual abortion, itself. These are people we are talking about. In a lot of despair, usually. Often times terrified. Convinced they have no place else to turn because of how badly things will turn out for all involved. Focus your efforts there, with love and kindness.
 
yoo said:
Abortion is the greatest evil of our time. People downplay it and that is morally wrong.
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Yes - Satan wants Abortion… Murder of the most helpless…
Satan wants Pro-Death leaders
Satan’s minions keep very busy - even working inside religions…
 
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