Abortion, Trump, and Catholicism

[DignumEtJustum]

No I know exactly what’s going on since about 1913 and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson when the financial system was completely changed, something he later publicly stated regret for. It later came down to a selfishness of one wanting to make more money for themselves rather than keeping it in country so many collectively began to have inferior products shipped over for pennies on the dollar while selling the products at a price competing with American made products and pocketing the money for themselves in order to perpetuate this vicious cycle. You have Chinese cooperating with their red government making billions off manufacturing that is sent our way while many Americans live in trailers watching their money sent off overseas. It’s only helping a few get rich while many others can’t get a job. I think it’s you saying so little that knows nothing of the subject.

 

[Cruciferi]

Oh please… None of our political leaders in the last century were particularly virtuous.

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[JanSobieskiIII]

Ok bud, you definitely have it all figured out.

 

[Cruciferi]

It’s the Luciferian Conspiracy that has ahold of our world. Our country is not our own. WWIII is inevitable

 

[anon65111186]

We must pray for those misguided people… Although I know abortions are wrong… but if regulated and done properly … we can greatly help our community.

These sentences don’t seem to reflect integrity. A person of deep prayer would never consider abortion under any circumstances.

As for Trump, I voted for him because his policies were more aligned with Catholic positions on religious freedom, abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia than Hillary or any other candidate (likely) to win.

As an individual, he has many public sins and scandals, which though a consideration, did not seem to influence his political stances on said issues. Being divorced and having extramarital sex etc didn’t seem to lessen his support for marriage laws etc.

Practically speaking, we don’t elect the most Saintly person, but the best person to support the common good. I thought relatively, he was the best choice. In his personal life he could be nearly Satan himself, as long as his personal life doesn’t change his political support for law and the common good.

I would have liked Obama if he didn’t “evolve” on gay marriage, and supported pro-life causes, didn’t expand government so much, and other economic and political issues.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

gay marriage,

Trump was actually the first presidential candidate to enter office supporting gay marriage.

 

[anon65111186]

Trump was actually the first presidential candidate to enter office supporting gay marriage.

News to me, I’ve heard him oppose it, but sometimes he flip flops a bit, so I wouldn’t be entirely surprised.

“I think the institution of marriage should be between a man and a woman,” Trump said during the interview.

“I just don’t feel good about it,” Trump said. "I don’t feel right about it. I’m against it, and I take a lot of heat because I come from New York. You know, for New York it’s like, how can you be against gay marriage? But I’m opposed to gay marriage.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

He does tend to go back and forth. I personally believe he doesn’t really care about it, he throws lines like that out to pander to the base. It’s not going to be made illegal again.

 

[anon65111186]

He does tend to go back and forth. I personally believe he doesn’t really care about it, he throws lines like that out to pander to the base. It’s not going to be made illegal again.

Well, I still like to hear that nonetheless, I haven’t seen him do any 180’s on any of the big policies I care about so I’m happy.

Rather than be illegal, I would rather see it not as culturally acceptable, being a scandalous sin and all, living in a public homosexual relationship, it’s just not right.

 

[DignumEtJustum]

Seem to know a bit more than you and your failing ideas of economics.

 

[SeriousQuestion]

I miss the George Washington days. Except that they might not be that good to begin with…

 

[Kyle]

Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond. Let me first address those that say I am not pro life. I think that we live in an autonomous society. And we are free to live the way we live without anyone impending our rights. That’s why I love America so much. You have to take in consideration that not everyone is catholic. Before roe v. Wade, there have been a lot of women to take their life or gravely injure themselves because of fear from society. When I talk about abortion being used in the right way I mean being counciled and being able to talk to these women that go through these thoughts. Not every single one of us have been through the things some of these women go through (rape, incest, etc.) health problems if having the baby can terminate the woman’s life can occur. There is just so many factors and we can’t just generalize these women in one category.

Regarding trump, I do not agree with many of his actions. I agree on the stances his administration is taking on prolife but the man himself is utter chaos. I believe that without him the administration will still run smoothly as mike pence as his VP. The people he appoints as his cabinet memebers with all their scandals need to go.
As a catholic I don’t believe that we should be turning away refugees. I think that people should be treated with respect.

How can someone sit there and tell me that the life in the womb is important when they do not give women respect that carries the life in their womb important? That’s just something that boggles my mind. And let me say this: when he cheated on his wife, you think trump didn’t use any type of contraceptive? How can you talk about the sacricy of life when you are not even open to life yourself.

Overall, I just want to live in a world where there is respect, conversation, and understanding. That’s what many of us forget to do in this crazy world. We stop and forget what would Jesus do,

 

[DENNYINMI]

As for Trump, I voted for him because his policies were more aligned with Catholic positions on religious freedom, abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia than Hillary or any other candidate (likely) to win.

As an individual, he has many public sins and scandals, which though a consideration, did not seem to influence his political stances on said issues. Being divorced and having extramarital sex etc didn’t seem to lessen his support for marriage laws etc.

Practically speaking, we don’t elect the most Saintly person, but the best person to support the common good.

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Please, you sound like someone from Trumps radical fundamentalist base. Bring this thought process into Catholic Thought. A Priest could believe the same things about religious freedom, abortion, and gay marriage as yourself, but would we tolerate them if they didn’t march in step with their own “beliefs”…They’d be discharged of their duties…Clinton wasn’t impeached for what he said he didn’t do with ‘that woman’, he was impeached for his lie and what he had actually done. For those whom much has been given, much will be expected. Donald Trump is an embarrassment to any morality we hold dear. Regarding his ‘talk’ on abortion, his stance changed to put himself on the Republican ticket…he used the art of the deal knowing all too well who he was targeting as a base But don’t be fooled…his actions never lined up with his words. And some bought it. Hook, line and sinker.

 

[DENNYINMI]

Reading through the thread, it is wise at times to refer directly to the Church’s definitions of “common good” and Universal common good as well…

 

[steve-b]

Dear Steve, There is also a group called Republicans for Choice which began in 1989. Does that make all conservatives automatically for choice? not at all…Some consider themselves conservative by virtue of economics and its trickle down 3 ring circus.

parties have taken specific positions. That is what they stand for and how they vote on the issue, and voters know it, and it’s why voters choose a specific party.

Democrat party on abortion
Republican party on abortion

DENNYINMI:

Personally I am sick of “persons” with an alliance to a political party of any stripe hijacking the term “pro-life” when they do not take into consideration the human being at all stages of life. Life doesn’t end when the child is born and neither do rights and needs. Regarding the death penalty the government needs to stay out of the business of deciding who lives and dies. It denies mercy through repentance, there is NO sin, I re-iterate, no sin too big that Our Lord cannot forgive, nor died for…even those we would agree are repulsive.
BTW Steve, You are aware that Roe v Wade was decided by 7 judges of the Supreme Court, 6 of whom where appointed by Republicans…Right? A republican court did not guarantee anything related to abortion. Sorry.

You didn’t respond to the points in my last post. Where is your sense of proportion on the issue of death?

As for sin, when we vote, we are to vote for the greater good. When the choice is between pro life and pro death, in the party we vote for, we are to vote pro life.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

The Republicans aren’t going to ban abortion at Federal level. Even if we had every seat in the senate and the house, the presidency, and 9 conservative supreme court justices.

 

[anon65111186]

Please, you sound like someone from Trumps radical fundamentalist base. Bring this thought process into Catholic Thought. A Priest could believe the same things about religious freedom, abortion, and gay marriage as yourself, but would we tolerate them if they didn’t march in step with their own “beliefs”…They’d be discharged of their duties…Clinton wasn’t impeached for what he said he didn’t do with ‘that woman’, he was impeached for his lie and what he had actually done. For those whom much has been given, much will be expected. Donald Trump is an embarrassment to any morality we hold dear. Regarding his ‘talk’ on abortion, his stance changed to put himself on the Republican ticket…he used the art of the deal knowing all too well who he was targeting as a base But don’t be fooled…his actions never lined up with his words. And some bought it. Hook, line and sinker.

"A Priest could believe the same things about religious freedom, abortion, and gay marriage as yourself, but would we tolerate them if they didn’t march in step with their own “beliefs”

I’m sure you were trying to say something there, but I didn’t catch your meaning…

Clinton wasn’t impeached for what he said he didn’t do with ‘that woman’, he was impeached for his lie and what he had actually done

I’m trying to see how that is relevant… so, Trump supported abortion, gay marriage by his actions? Which law or policy would you be referring to?

Donald Trump is an embarrassment to any morality we hold dear. Regarding his ‘talk’ on abortion, his stance changed to put himself on the Republican ticket

I didn’t know you could be an embarrassment to morality, as if you could be morality yourself. He’s not Catholic, and he isn’t a moral paragon in his personal life, but I think you are expecting him to be a Saint somehow.

Also, are you putting down his change to anti-abortion? Shouldn’t you be supporting candidates who change in that way? Not sure what your position is… but Trump changing from pro-abortion to anti-abortion was a good thing. Again, what did you expect?

Can you name a Presidential candidate, who would be better than Trump? Even in 2020?

But don’t be fooled…his actions never lined up with his words. And some bought it. Hook, line and sinker.

Do you have concrete examples of this?

Please, you sound like someone from Trumps radical fundamentalist base.
So, his radical fundamentalist base are all bad? Why
If so, then I’m guilty by association of sounding similar to them?

To be honest, you sound like someone who didn’t vote for Trump, so it makes me wonder, who did you vote for? If you can justify voting for Hillary or another loser in the election, I’d like to hear it.

 

[steve-b]

The Republicans aren’t going to ban abortion at Federal level. Even if we had every seat in the senate and the house, the presidency, and 9 conservative supreme court justices.

SCOTUS made law in 73. That’s NOT their job. They interpret law. Congress makes law…

 

[anon65111186]

9 conservative supreme court justices

The law Roe v Wade did not recognize the human right to live, of the government to protect innocent American citizens (fetus’) from death. It was judicial activism, so yes, it can be overturned.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

But it won’t.