About an Atheistic Sister with many Questions and much Church History

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No, I’m saying that ultimately it is up to the Holy Spirit to open their ears and heart to the truth. When they throw out “silly” questions and don’t wait for an honest reply, they are not ready. We witness by our faithful example (and prayers, of course.) If the Holy Spirit prepares and softens their hearts, then we can have open conversations. Just throwing out questions for the sake of putting down Catholicism doesn’t mean they are open to the truth.
 
Yes, my sister would always ask a question on her way out of the house. By the time she ended her sentence, she was shutting the door! Then I would spend days thinking I owed her an answer. Remember, it is the Holy Spirit who softens their heart. My sister just wanted an argument, not answers or a discussion.
 
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@Dlee

Thank You for clarifying! This is actually something to think about and it leads to the love and mercy of god.

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I understand your pain and frustrations of dealing with a family member that is atheist and loud about it. One piece of advice I try to give believers about atheists is that some…not all…are very angry when they leave religion behind. There can be multiple reasons…someone in that faith hurt them, they discovered information that crushed their faith or they feel they were lied to. They have to work out this anger and resentment on their own. You really can’t help them and while still in the anger phase, they really won’t listen to what you say anyway.

In time, they will usually mellow out and finally be able to have a genuine discussion…until that day arrives, honestly all you can do is pray or them. When confronted with accusations about the faith it’s best to just humbly say, “I’m sorry you feel that way” or “ I’m sorry you think that about the faith”. You aren’t acknowledging that she right, only acknowledging that she feels so angry. Do not let her anger get to you…it’s how she is lashing out and she’s the one that has to work through it. She probably want to drag you into her beliefs as well. By calmly listening and not getting angry or offended back (even though you may be), you will show her that your faith is still strong.

A day will come when you and she can have a real discussion. That day, unfortunately, isn’t today.
 
I had doubts & stopped going to church a few years back. I wasn’t sure there was a God & said I was Agnostic. Things changed for me went my mum went on pilgrimage to San Giovanni Rotondo & Pietrelcina In Italy asking St Padre Pio for help. I’m not saying you need to on pilgrimage, but I do have some suggestions. My first suggestion is to buy the Green Scapula which is for conversion of sinner. Regarding this scapula our lady said. “This scapular is not like others [it is not based on a religious habit] but merely two holy images on a single piece of material. Therefore, no special formula is required to bless it or enroll someone in its use. It suffices that it be blessed by a Catholic priest and worn by the one whom we desire to benefit by Our Lady’s intercession. If, on the other hand, the person is unable, or even unwilling, to wear it or carry it, it may even be slipped, unknown to them, into their clothes, possessions, home or work environments, etc." You would say the prayer " Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us, now and at the hour of our death." each day for the conversion of your sister as she won’t.

Another suggestion & what helped me loads with my doubts was the book: What Happened To Me? Reflections of a journey by Randell Niles. It’s a brilliant book, is not long & I highly recommend it, for you & your mum to read & discuss before trying to come up with a plan for your sister.

I also suggest you get these trilogy of books by Taylor Marshall:

Book 1: The Crucified Rabbi: Judaism and the Origins of Catholic Christianity
Book 2: Catholic Perspective on Paul
Book 3: The Eternal City: Rome & the Origins of Catholic Christianity

The Paul Book really does show how the Catholic church is the true faith. Also please continue to pray the rosary for your sister & for her conversion. God Bless you!
 
Correction: I spelt the authors name wrong: It’s Randall Niles regarding the book, What Happened To Me? Reflections of a journey
 
Well… it is not so easy. She only was open in this night because I was unable to hold my depression back and cried.
But when she told me her Questions, I really tried to stop crying and be factual.

Well… it was emotional.
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I hope my advice helps sweetheart. 🙂 All those books are available on Amazon & the Virgin Mary is said to obtain great favours from her Son regarding the green scapula, especially in the areas of physical health, peace of mind and spiritual conversion. She would particularly obtain the conversion of those who had fallen away from the faith and non-believers.

You mentioned your sister talks about science but science has not disproved God at all like she thinks. If you look at the Miracle of the sun at Fatima, it was witnessed by some 70,000 people including lots of atheists. It cannot be explained & you can’t say they’re all delusional with that huge sum of people who all saw it (if your sister mentions that as a counter argument) there were many unbelievers there making fun of the believers beforehand & then the miracle happened & they all witnessed it.They thought it was the end of the World & people were confessing sins out loud. Unbelievers converted etc. Thats something you could look into. Lots of Youtube videos about Fatima.

Also here is a really interesting article about 5 Incredible Eucharistic miracles in the last 25 years, another proof of Christ & his real presence in the Eucharist:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...st-25-years/&usg=AOvVaw3DSJWXrbs5lm2n3HlBvHUH
 
why can penguins be gay and not human?
That is a generic question and she needs to be more specific, but basically homosexuality is a disorder, since it does not generate life (heterosexuality does), some humans develop a tendency towards the same sex and that’s not always their fault, penguins have that behavior as well (according to your sister) and that would also be a disorder, penguins are not guilty of acting on their homosexuality since they cant reason like humans, but humans are guilty if they take their desire for the same sex and act uppon it (a man dating another man for exemple).
god created all humans for his entertainment.
No, He created humans so we can be saved, its an act of mercy and love.
she told me that the Church did kill gay persons and so fort.
That is historically inaccurate, , , ,
that the apostles and followers of Jesus were high on drugs
People cant have the same hallucinations at the same time, Jesus Resurrection was an fact, there are historical records of it, outside of the bible as well.

your sister reminds me of my sister, she wont lisen to logic either so i tell her "I have a pretty rational proof that the Catholicism is the one true religon, . . .
 
Like why can penguins be gay and not human?
I’d like to think we’re at least a little more sophisticated than the average penguin! Humans are superior to animals - we’re capable of higher/more complex thought and are able to adapt our environment to suit us (e.g. make fire). So, more is expected of humans when it comes to controlling our behaviour (or “animalistic instincts” if you will) which is the real issue as opposed to “being gay”.
And she told me that god created all humans for his entertainment.
Tbh we’re really not that exciting - most human behaviour is actually pretty boring! Still, this sort of idea goes back to ancient approaches to the divine/human relationship in the classical era where humans were basically playthings for the gods - to quote Shakespeare: “like flys to wanton boys, so are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport”. However, this is what sets the Judeo-Christian understanding of God apart. For us, it’s a relationship of love and this is something which can be seen throughout the scriptures. By entering in a covenant with “His people” God actually engages with us effectively as equals (we get a seat at the grown-ups table) because he wants us to be like him - this really comes across well in the writings of the prophets and is also the whole point of the incarnation: god became man that man might become God. When you think about it, that’s pretty darn cool imho! . . .
 
Being gay is no more an immoral issue than being a race is.
Just no way around that.
The Church doesn’t teach being gay is immoral. Do you even know what the Church teaches?
They killed people for just wanting to read the bible.
Another anti-Catholic lie. The Church condemned heretical translations, not vernacular translations in of themselves.
Science is a subgroup of philosophy since philosophy is just thought and science is the thought process to determining how reality actually works.
I doubt scientists would agree with you on that. I don’t as an engineer. While philosophy has subfield that looks at science, science is not under philosophy.
If and when the supernatural is discovered in reality
Which will be never, because science looks at natural phenomena, of which the supernatural, by its very definition, is not a part of. Science will no sooner discover justice than it will God.
Well religion does prime a community to be desiring a “dear leader” to come save us from ourselves.
Says… who? Science? You?
Might makes right, divine command theory and all that.
You know our religion is about how God, the creator of all things, allowed Himself to become human and be killed in one of the cruelest ways possible at that time, right? The same God who told us to turn the other cheek, that it’s not enough to not commit adultery but to not even think about it. That God?
Or the stories are just legends like the king arthur and robin hood tales.
There is more historical evidence for Christ’s existence than there is for that of King Arthur and Robin Hood. You will not find a serious historian that questions His existence.
 
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Again (as I already posted to you in a different thread):

TOS Conduct Rule #5 for the forum:
Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board.
Please read and follow the forum TOS. The KKK and Hitler references as well as the general tone of your response are most definitely disrespectful. The KKK persecuted Catholics, btw.
 
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Sorry but the pontiff Joseph Ratzinger calls homosexuals a “Moral Evil”.
Citation please.
Yeah just not going to agree on this new white washing of history here.
It’s hardly new. As an example, the Douay Rheims was published in the late 1500’s. Is it white washing to say books were expensive back then before the printing press was invented and so not everyone had books?
The full name of “science” is “The philosophy of science of…” what ever field of science you are studying.
Never heard of it. None of my physics and chemistry classes ever called themselves by that. I have a Bachelors of Science, not Philosophy.
No science studies reality and its just that we are currently restricted to only being able to study the natural.
Do you have a degree in science, applied or otherwise?
Says the preachments of Genesis. That people are cursed from the garden and all the generations of humanity are now a fallen people that can never create the just city because of their fallen nature. So they have to appeal to the dear leadership of the divine to save us from our destructive selves.
That is a non sequitur. Being flawed does not mean we make appeals to “dear leadership”. Although I suppose Hitler, an Atheist, and Stalin, an Atheist, did develop a cult of personality that involves them being viewed as infallible leaders.

Who both coincidentally persecuted Catholics.
Would you care for me to read, word for word, the barbarism of your deity as well that you conveniently left out? Its like the murder on trial that bemoans that no one is bringing up the fact that he always gave his mother a birthday gift. The murders kinda supersede the gift giving.
I don’t deny the existence of horrible things in the Bible. The difference is I read it in context, as opposed to dismissing Him as a blood thirsty sky fairy.
Robin hood may have existed or was a conglomeration of people or completely fictional, but he wasn’t magical at all.
How about King Arthur who you also referenced?
 
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In the letter the cardinal stated, “Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.”
Are persons inclinations? No. It is not stating that being gay is immoral, rather, the attraction is disordered and the actions are immoral. If we thought being gay is immoral, we wouldn’t have organizations like Courage (which does not use conversation therapy).
Is this needed to have this understanding?
Considering you’re saying that science studies reality is part of a field which can’t agree on what the nature of or what reality is, yes. I have never heard of science being a field under philosophy.
Being an atheist has nothing to do with someone’s world view.
But you just said that my religion predisposes myself to following and needing a “dear leader” type. So how come Atheism doesn’t affect your world view but Catholicism affects mine?
Sorry but it really does come across like this.
Well I’m sorry, but it doesn’t.
Yes conducted and ordered directly by the deity in it. Not just the people acting terribly, but the deity itself.
Again, context.
Not saying that this deity is like this.
Really? Because you just alikened Him to King Arthur and Robin Hood, and all His barbaric acts. You don’t have to say the words “your god is a blood thirsty sky fairy”, it’s clear that’s what you think.
 
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Yes this is bigotry here because gay or straight attractions is not a disorder and action on them with a consensual partner is not immoral at all. It’s just as terrible as saying to a woman, “Being a woman isn’t immoral, but dressing like one and acting like one is.”
No that’s not it at all.

Philosophy of Biology​

Philosophy of biology is the branch of philosophy of science that deals with biological knowledge.
That’s not science. It’s like I said earlier:
While philosophy has subfield that looks at science, science is not under philosophy.
Atheism doesn’t exist except to the religious who need this to exist.
🤨 No… we don’t “need” Atheism to exist. Unless Atheists need Theists to exist, which doesn’t make sense either.
Guess this is the difference between people in the system and people viewing it from the outside.
But your remarks can apparently be treated as factual, but my outside look into Atheism cannot.
I really hate that I have to know this stuff.
Oh please. How condescending.

Again, you’re just citing verses. Words are not context. And especially in the case of Job, you’d know that it was not for “no reason”.
Well it does have a bad side to its character that its followers refuse to acknowledge
Or perhaps His detractors like to oversimplify to the point of error?
But if someone’s dating your daughter, would you want to know about how well she treat’s her or about how bad she would? Its more important to know how far someone will go when they are in a bad mood than how good they treat people.
Considering we weren’t killed sadistically for killing Him, I’d say He’s quite reserved.
 
I have a sister similar to yours. Although we’re much older (I think) than you all. I never have tried to convince her of anything because I know she’s not asking honest questions, and it’s not often, but once in awhile she’ll make a statement that is off the wall about the Catholic church. If she ever does say something in a questioning manner and if there is something I can offer I will, and if not I’d give her resources.

If I were you, I’d tell her that if she ever was interested in learning what the truth is of some of the things she believes, and was interested in a concise answers, that she could listen to Dr. David Anders (there are plenty of others too!) and get well thought out, and studied answers.
She’s probably not ready for any of that though, I think she’s really just being sarcastic with the things she’s said to you because she’s either angry about something else or just wants to settle into what the culture teaches. It’s the easier way.

Debbie
 
I really doubt she is interested in facts or so. She said that she got her morality from the law and so on.
But thanks!
 
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