Absolute perfection is not possible

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fide said:
Are you saying that perfect perfection is not possible? What is the difference in your mind between “perfect” and “absolutely perfect”?
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Yes. I mean that the qualities such as all powerful, all wise, etc. are not possible.
fide said:
When Jesus says, “You therefore must be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect,” the word used is τέλειος - teleios - meaning [in regard to creatures] complete, mature, of the full measure of its purpose. Thus a perfect apple tree is a mature one, reaching its purpose as created by God, bearing many apples in due season.

In this context, of Mt 5, the value addressed is the all-important one, love - divine charity (ἀγαπάω - agapaō), the love with which God loves. We are created to love with the love with which God loves. We reach perfection when we do this, when we possess and live according to that love. It is possible to do so only by His grace - His gift to us of that very love infused into our souls, lived by our “yes” to Him, and to that love.

We attain the perfection of love, therefore [if we do], as we live in human participation of and with His divine love. This is possible by His grace, and if we do what we can do: die to ourselves and to our selfish “love” - to that called “love” which means that the object loved is pleasing and satisfying to ME.
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If it was so then the human on earth could become God.
 
So, does the tree make noise, when it falls in the woods, if no one is there to hear it?
Now, God is not involved w measurable quantities in our plane. It’s apples & oranges.
Imperfection is all we have, God lives in heaven.
We are not equal. He’s the Alpha & Omega & we’re the middle. No competition!
God bless!
Merry Christmas
Tweedlealice
 
adamhovey1988 said:
I’d like to see evidence of it. Because I’ve noticed that you make an accusation without saying why. I also know that you seem to be a little familiar with the Bible, you’re absolutely right, Perfection is impossible. That is, without God it is. But all things are possible, with God.
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I am saying that perfection, all powerful and all wise, is not possible. You can always find something stronger, more wise, etc.
 
By absolute perfect I mean a degree which there is no higher degree than that is not possible. This, perfection, when it comes to God has to do with His attributes, omniscience, omnipotent and omnipresent. A God who is omnipotent is so strong that nothing stronger than Him is possible. This as it is discussed is not possible.
 
Here, by perfection we mean something which is all powerful, all wise, etc.
 
Searching1 said:
I would ask if you’re familiar with the concept of Plato’s theory of forms. Ancient Greek philosophy greatly influenced the early Church fathers (Plato being one of the foremost Greek philosophers). The theory holds that all things in the world are imperfect and that eternal, unchanging, perfect “Forms” are the things the world merely imitates. So that means the number two, cats, the concept of justice… all these things are merely imitations of the perfect Form of that thing, which is out there, somewhere. Would not God, then, be the very Form for “perfection” that all other things striving towards perfection are imitating?
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What I am saying is that perfection as an end does not exist.
 
I think we are simply minds with different abilities. Abilities are the result of our knowledge. I think that there is a supreme being but every mind can reach to that degree or higher degree of excellence. The reality is that there is no bound.

Moreover, I don’t agree with the definition of God as perfection. God is a being. God is not personification of an abstract object, love, perfection, etc.
 
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If it was so then the human on earth could become God.
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In truth, we were created “in the image and likeness” of God our Creator, for a purpose - with a purpose - to come into personal communion with God, participating in His divine nature. Jesus, God the Son, became man - taking into Himself our humanity - to make possible our coming into a sharing with His divinity.

Thus we are to become “perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect.”
 
I see what do you mean but I don’t think that there is bound to power and knowledge.
 
I asked you

Do you think God is a being. You stated two things that the Catholic Church rejects in your answer
 
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The Catholic Church rejects this, it would lead to idolisation

You don’t understand what we mean by God.
 
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Firstly learn what we know as the True God. You describe a false God

You deny what a believer denies too.
 
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