Absolute perfection is not possible

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Aren’t you trying to build proof on this thread that there is no God
 
No. I want to say that God cannot be absolute perfection, for example all powerful, all wise, etc. since there is no bound in the reality. Things are relative, power, wisdom, etc.
 
You are building proof of a false God, one we don’t believe in. One the Catholic Church does not profess.

I know this because of how you describe this false God.
 
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It’s your definition that’s important, and if it is also the True God
 
How could we discuss things if you don’t give your definition of God?
 
It’s not my definition. I would recommend reading a few great Catholic minds. St Thomas Aquinas, st Augustine, Pope Benedict.

God says this of Hmself when Moses asks who he is speaking to, and asks for a name

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh

You are a philosopher. Work out what we mean by omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent
 
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It’s not my definition. I would recommend reading a few great Catholic minds. St Thomas Aquinas, st Augustine, Pope Benedict.
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That is not fair.
Roseeurekacross said:
God says this of Hmself when Moses asks who he is speaking to, and asks for a name

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh
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I am aware of that. That is an ambiguous phrase. It carry no information.
Roseeurekacross said:
You are a philosopher. Work out what we mean by omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent
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So you decline to offer a definition of God?
 
As I understand it, perfection means being free of any imperfection. Something (someone) that has no imperfections is perfect. You cannot have less than no imperfections. So, something can be absolutely perfect but not infinitely perfect, therefore perfection is attainable. It must be attainable because Jesus said that nothing imperfect can enter heaven. (Revelation 21:27)
 
It’s very fair. Learn who we believe the true God is, then argue against the perfection of the true God.

It’s fruitless arguing the absolute imperfection of the false God. We agree with atheists on that point.

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Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is not an ambiguous phrase. It carries a wealth of information
 
When it comes to God it is not possible for us to discern the difference between perfection and not quite perfection.

Anything less than perfection by any infinitesimally small amount would mean that we could not call God perfect, but we are totally unable to discern such a difference so I don’t see how we can ever discuss the subject in any meaningful way.

Also as we are mere mortals living in a material world spiritual concepts are difficult for us to fully comprehend, we are therefore incapable of fully understanding God or His design and plans for us and this world. With such inadequacies we may be little more able to inderstand God than a thermometer understands weather.
 
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I don’t think that there is bound to power and knowledge.
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If you mean by this that you do not see a possible human “participation” in divine power and knowledge, there are two scriptural certainties that do allow exactly that.
  1. One who shares in - is morally in union with - the divine will, can ask in prayer for whatever he will, and it will be done for him.
John 15:7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.
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That certainly is a share in the divine power.
  1. Divine knowledge is a gift of the Holy Spirit, which is attainable (in the finitude of the human mind), along with the other gifts of the Spirit which are given, to those having attained a high degree of union with God in prayer-communion.
Isa 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
Isa 11:3 And his delight shall be in the fear of the LORD.
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In other words, the beatitude of union with God is a supernatural ascent far beyond the present understanding or appreciation of most of us poor “mortals”.
 
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No. I want to say that God cannot be absolute perfection, for example all powerful, all wise, etc. since there is no bound in the reality. Things are relative, power, wisdom, etc.
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God is not absolutely perfect in the sense that his perfection is bounded or limited for God is an infinite being so his being and perfections are unbounded and limitless. Accordingly, if we say that God is absolute Being, or absolute Good, or absolute Beauty, or all powerful, all wise, all love, all perfect, and so on with his other attributes we mean that God is Being itself, Goodness, Beauty, Wisdom, Love, Power, Perfection, and so on. God is the source, measure, and standard of all these ideas which in him are limitless. Furthermore, God’s attributes exist in him and they are identical to his Being or existence for God is a supremely one, simple, indivisible Being, i.e., He is not composite or composed of parts. Similarly, if whiteness existed by itself, it would be one indivisible thing, namely, simply whiteness. I showed in a previous post that God’s Being is infinite for there is nothing to limit or contract Being itself for ‘nothing’ does not exist. Therefore, since God’s attributes are the same as his Being or existence, it follows that his attributes are infinite.
 
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There could be higher being even if God is infinite. That is the whole point of the OP.
 
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My argument stands. There is not any all powerful, all wise,…
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You may insist on using that argument, but as has been explained it is irrational and so does not stand.

Good day.
 
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