Abusing muhammad?

[R_not]

why idolize a man who did nothing but aggrandize and enrichen himself? who was not saintly nor holy? who has misled so many?why get upset when reasonable persons expose him for who he is. and nobody at the forum makes any of these facts up. they are from Muslim sources. do not muslims in the 21st century have the courage to accept that Muhammad is not who he claimed he was? 7th century muslims were too cowardly, too self interested to say it? come on. why call a man like him “beloved”? if you were aisha’s mother, would he still be beloved when he, a 50+ year old man, came and claimed divine sanction to take your 6 year old daughter as a wife?.

Praying for you to be courageous for truth and reject islam which in your heart you know is false…

They don’t look at it as mohammed doing all those atrocities. They think of him as the ‘perfect man’ to be emulated.

mohammed committed so many sins as you mentioned that what he did was to redefine sin. It isn’t the 10 commandments (this is just one of the reasons why mohammed isn’t a prophet and islam isn’t of the Jewish or Christian faiths is that he changed the message of the Bible - both OT and NT) that muslims follow but haram, halal and shirk. Sin in islam is halal (ok to do), haram (do not do), and shirk (do not shirk allah).

They will ignore you since they have heard it so many times before what mohammed did. I can’t even count how many excuses they have given for his bad behavior.

But, what the deal is that these things were done against non-muslims and non-muslims are lower than pigs, apes and urine/feces.

But, deception is a part of islam. They do not want you to know their koran. This is part of the reason why they only tell us the weaker, abrogated surahs. They never bring up the stronger surahs that replaced the weaker ones. Or they have an excuse for them.

Here is a good article that I just received in my email. On the bottom is a link to other articles about islam. War and Peace, and deceit, in islam

faithfreedom.org also has some articles about islam written by an ex-muslim. And of course, there is the koran and hadiths - if you want a headache. don’t worry, worry you won’t be converted by reading it. Normal people are not drawn to it hence, them having to deceive us and to terrorize.

 

[juliamajor]

The problem I have with muhammad or Islam is they condemn Christians for worshipping Jesus and calling Him God’s Son and honor Him as such yet they do the same or more with Muhammed.Muhammed’s face is not to portrayed-no image of him is acceptable. that gives him god like status-an honor only a deity deserves. Say something nasty about him-so what. Do people deserve to die because they insult a man- even if he’s a prophet-no! No one deserves to die. I would not lay my hand on a fellow human being for insulting my Lord-because I know above all that God- the Merciful the Compassionate-really stands up to That title- and the death of a fellow human being- no matter how vile his tongue- is not worthy of death. A man can be insulted and as a man - a human being - is not worth killing for. God does not require murder to honor Him-in fact murder of any kind- dishonors Him. Can God the All- Powerful one really be insulted?Can His feelings be hurt?Can any harm come to Him?- If you believe that then your image of God is a weak,powerless being of no account.I Believe in a God without Limits, without prejudices, without hatred, without human frailties that we give Him that are only mirrors and justification for our evil deeds. Enough evil in God’s name.He doesn’t deserve His name to hated and reviled because of our cruelties and our wrongs.Peace

 

[R_not]

The problem I have with muhammad or Islam is they condemn Christians for worshipping Jesus and calling Him God’s Son and honor Him as such yet they do the same or more with Muhammed.Muhammed’s face is not to portrayed-no image of him is acceptable. that gives him god like status-an honor only a deity deserves. Say something nasty about him-so what. Do people deserve to die because they insult a man- even if he’s a prophet-no! No one deserves to die. I would not lay my hand on a fellow human being for insulting my Lord-because I know above all that God- the Merciful the Compassionate-really stands up to That title- and the death of a fellow human being- no matter how vile his tongue- is not worthy of death. A man can be insulted and as a man - a human being - is not worth killing for. God does not require murder to honor Him-in fact murder of any kind- dishonors Him. Can God the All- Powerful one really be insulted?Can His feelings be hurt?Can any harm come to Him?- If you believe that then your image of God is a weak,powerless being of no account.I Believe in a God without Limits, without prejudices, without hatred, without human frailties that we give Him that are only mirrors and justification for our evil deeds. Enough evil in God’s name.He doesn’t deserve His name to hated and reviled because of our cruelties and our wrongs.Peace

The other day a post on a different thread that was a response from an ex-muslims tells us that they not only worship mohammed, but also the koran and that black stone.

they will not admit to it according to the ex-muslim (Ali Sina), but they do.

Here is the post from
‘Predestination in islam’. I also noticed that none of the muslims want to cough up that there is predestination in islam.

As you said “their behavior towards this stone proves they do indeed worship it.” That is enough proof. By the same token they also worshp the book of Quran. Of course they deny it. But they deny lots of things that are true. Muslims have never been honest to themselves or others.

Muslims also worship Muhammad far more than Allah. Muslims can easily criticize God as several great Persian poets have done it and their poetries are read by every Muslim. But no one can ever criticize Muhammad. It is only then that they become unhinged and unleashed and act like savages.

You may share what I said with them. They may fool others but they know that they can’t fool the ex-Muslims

Regards

Ali Sina

The black stone - they believe that it has consciousness and will speak for them at Judgement Day which in itself is weird. If they are predestined then why all the hoopla about it. does it bypass predestination? Do the ones who die while murdering others bypass predestination?

 

[Jay53]

Still waiting. (From Post #298)

Originally Posted by **Sister Amy **
No, not all apostasy is treason.

Then do you explicitly condemn the killing of people who simply leave Islam and wish to practice another faith?

 

[Jay53]

 

[dolphinlove]

I think a more appropriate ‘waiting’ picture for an answer is this:
http://undercroft.files.wordpress.com/2006/07/mlf-skeleton-pd-05-kj0022.jpg

 

[R_not]

Just before the fires in the L.A basin in California a couple of years ago we were getting reports that there was a video out of bin laden, or it could have been his #2 piece of … (you fill in the blank), saying to wage a fire jihad in the Western USA.

Then we had a line of fires that you couldn’t have made straighter line on a map with those fires a few months afterwards.

Then silence from the media about who started those fires.

And we, and some other states, for the last few years have had a more than usual number of fires in the West. Silence from the media.

Now we hear the same thing happening in Australia. And here is the jihad group that wants to use fire in Australia.

I wouldn’t hold my breath for an answer from any muslim on this subject.

Right now they are figuring out how to blame the Jews, or to claim victimhood, or some such nonsense.



Our prayers are with you and the rest of the Australians.

 

[R_not]

I just found the puke that is taking credit for the fires in Australia.

Since Victoria’s bushfires in Australia have started, many Muslims have asked Sheikh Haron whether deliberately lighting bushfires would be Mustahab (Recommended), Wajib (obligated) or Haram (forbidden)?

Letter of Sheikh Haron to Prime Minister Kevin Rudd dated 9 February 2009:
“I swore to God and I promised you that Australians would be hurt, punished and killed. Now I formally claim that Victoria’s bushfire was only one of those promised incidents. I take full responsibility for ….”

You know, I read an article about a cleric stomping on a bunch of roses for Valentine’s Day (yeah, it is a Hallmark made up holiday), but that is just par for the course in islam. Anything nice, happy, etc = against islam.

A ‘night on the town’ for muslims is their celebration over a kid killing himself for allah trying to murder non-muslims, or dancing and ulalating over 9/11 type events, or the weekly stoning, etc!

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

The perverse reversal of love/hate, war/peace, etc in islam is just gross. And of course this is called abusing mohammed, or islam.

 

[dolphinlove]

I just found the puke that is taking credit for the fires in Australia.

You know, I read an article about a cleric stomping on a bunch of roses for Valentine’s Day (yeah, it is a Hallmark made up holiday), but that is just par for the course in islam. Anything nice, happy, etc = against islam.

A ‘night on the town’ for muslims is their celebration over a kid killing himself for allah trying to murder non-muslims, or dancing and ulalating over 9/11 type events, or the weekly stoning, etc!

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

The perverse reversal of love/hate, war/peace, etc in islam is just gross. And of course this is called abusing mohammed, or islam.

ill add this one as welll
sick!

 

[wina]

I am not suggesting this for anyone living in a majority islamic country.

I always make the sign of the cross when I eat even when I eat with my muslims friends.

 

[Eucharisted]

I always make the sign of the cross when I eat even when I eat with my muslims friends.

Worst that can happen is you share in the Passion of Christ

 

[chrisse]

I always make the sign of the cross when I eat even when I eat with my muslims friends.

And I hope that when you do you are saying a prayer for your fellow Christian brothers and sisters in Aceh and Sulawesi, who are not as fortunate as you.

 

[planten]

why idolize a man who did nothing but aggrandize and enrichen himself? who was not saintly nor holy? who has misled so many?why get upset when reasonable persons expose him for who he is. and nobody at the forum makes any of these facts up. they are from Muslim sources. do not muslims in the 21st century have the courage to accept that Muhammad is not who he claimed he was? 7th century muslims were too cowardly, too self interested to say it? come on. why call a man like him “beloved”? if you were aisha’s mother, would he still be beloved when he, a 50+ year old man, came and claimed divine sanction to take your 6 year old daughter as a wife?.

Praying for you to be courageous for truth and reject islam which in your heart you know is false…

You have no real information about Muhammad. Muhammad never slept at night without distributing all to the needy. When he died there was no fortune (wealth, not a penny) in his house which could be distributed as inheritance.

You cannot bring any good example of any person better than Muhammad. Even Jesus taught the same things. But you are blind (blank) about Muhammad.

 

[planten]

Still waiting. (From Post #298)

Then do you explicitly condemn the killing of people who simply leave Islam and wish to practice another faith?

I hope the answer will be in Affirmative (+) from Sis Amy. Surely, if the christians are not feeding and bribing any one as they used to do in India in years 1870 A.D. it will be okay not to hurt any one for change of faith. i would also hope that christians will likewise not try to oppress any one for his/her change of faith.

It is also necessary that christians should condemn any one bribing people to become christians. Welcome, both sides.

What says Jay53?

 

[planten]

Still waiting. (From Post #298)

Then do you explicitly condemn the killing of people who simply leave Islam and wish to practice another faith?

**I hope the answer will be in Affirmative (+) from Sis Amy. Surely, if the christians are not feeding and bribing any one as they used to do in India in years 1870 A.D. it will be okay not to hurt any one for change of faith. I would also hope that christians will likewise not try to oppress any one for his/her change of faith.

It is also necessary that christians should condemn any one bribing people to become christians. Welcome, both sides.

What says Jay53?**

 

[R_not]

I hope the answer will be in Affirmative (+) from Sis Amy. Surely, if the christians are not feeding and bribing any one as they used to do in India in years 1870 A.D. it will be okay not to hurt any one for change of faith. i would also hope that christians will likewise not try to oppress any one for his/her change of faith.

It is also necessary that christians should condemn any one bribing people to become christians. Welcome, both sides.

What says Jay53?

Since the definition of persecution for muslims and Christians are so different you will have to describe what you mean by a muslim being persecuted.

When they whine about it in our country it is because they are not able to practice sharia law and all its atrocities and that we are not subjugated to them.

We we complain it is due to people being tortured, killed, kidnapped and forced to convert to islam; and churches destroyed.

 

[chrisse]

Since the definition of persecution for muslims and Christians are so different you will have to describe what you mean by a muslim being persecuted.

When they whine about it in our country it is because they are not able to practice sharia law and all its atrocities and that we are not subjugated to them.

We we complain it is due to people being tortured, killed, kidnapped and forced to convert to islam; and churches destroyed.

And let’s not forget about the severe persecution and deprivation of their human rights where public buildings do not have foot baths.

 

[Jay53]

I hope the answer will be in Affirmative (+) from Sis Amy. Surely, if the christians are not feeding and bribing any one as they used to do in India in years 1870 A.D. it will be okay not to hurt any one for change of faith. i would also hope that christians will likewise not try to oppress any one for his/her change of faith.

It is also necessary that christians should condemn any one bribing people to become christians. Welcome, both sides.

What says Jay53?

I obviously would not agree with “bribing” anyone to change to any religion, including Christianity. One’s faith should be practiced for love of God and if someone changes their religion it should be because they believe in the tenets of that faith.

 

[chrisse]

I obviously would not agree with “bribing” anyone to change to any religion, including Christianity. One’s faith should be practiced for love of God and if someone changes their religion it should be because they believe in the tenets of that faith.

Jay53, that’s the muslims latest rave since so many African muslims are converting - 16000 a day. They say it’s because of food.

I’m sure there’s a group of imam’s somewhere coming up with a list of things to throw at us. As each one gets debunked, out comes the next.

 

[Jay53]

Jay53, that’s the muslims latest rave since so many African muslims are converting - 16000 a day. They say it’s because of food.

I’m sure there’s a group of imam’s somewhere coming up with a list of things to throw at us. As each one gets debunked, out comes the next.

Oh, I see - they’re converting for the food not the faith. (But then, where are all the Muslims with food to give to these people to stop their conversions?