According to Islam, there were more than 125000 Prophets.

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Of the 25 Prophets mentioned in Quran, some are not prophets according to Holy Bible. well anyway, from the 125000 prophets who are not named, where these prophets for the whole world? If so, why are other religions not coming in the fold of Islam, but only Judaism and Christianity? Is it so because the names mendioned in quran are also in Holy Bible, and other names are not mentioned? Does it not mean that quran is refusing to accept the other prophets who went to other people?

My earlier question regarding to marriage ( which elwill destorted ) was that why muslim men marry woman from Judaism and Christianity with no obligation of them changing their religion, but when they marry woman of other religions like Hindu, Buddist etc, they need to embrace islam first? What if these people are following the teachings of the prophets that were sent to them from the 125000 prophets?
 
Booklover said:
Correction! Only to a Muslim.

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and that’s what I meant…I wanted from Jakasaki to know that the Quran is the authority over these matters (that Adam and Lot were prophet) …I want to see where Adam and Lot were called prophets in the Quran ?
 
Hadi said:
and that’s what I meant…I wanted from Jakasaki to know that the Quran is the authority over these matters (that Adam and Lot were prophet) …I want to see where Adam and Lot were called prophets in the Quran ?
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Hadi, you posted this:
Originally Posted by Hadi
Lot is called “Rasool” , “Messenger” …I don’t know a verse that mentions him as a prophet (Nabi).
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**And no…Adam was not called a messenger nor a prophet **in the Quran.
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I then posted that Adam was called a prophet according to the islamic web site and according to muslims beliefs.

Does the koran state that Adam and Lot were prophets? You tell me!

If the koran does not state that Adam & Lot were prophets, well then, where did the idea come from labelling them as such?

Are you Hadi what they call a “Koranist”?
 
jakasaki said:
Hadi, you posted this:

I then posted that Adam was called a prophet according to the islamic web site and according to muslims beliefs.

Does the koran state that Adam and Lot were prophets? You tell me!

If the koran does not state that Adam & Lot were prophets, well then, where did the idea come from labelling them as such?

Are you Hadi what they call a “Koranist”?
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why do you go to Islamic websites and leave the Quran …

this is similar to “Alexander” being mentioned in the Quran …it’s just speculations of some scholars…it’s simply not found in the text.

and no , I’m not Koranist…
 
QUOTE=Hadi;5712311]why do you go to Islamic websites and leave the Quran …
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Well Hadi, the islamawareness.net/Prophets/ is a site on the web that explains and defines the prophets of islam.

The site is 100% islam and it is NOT a anti-islam site.

If I want to know and learn about the Jewish prophets, I would google for that.

If I want to know and learn about Ahamadi prophets, I would google for that.

You get it.

It’s called researching and learning for a better undertanding.
this is similar to “Alexander” being mentioned in the Quran …it’s just speculations of some scholars…it’s simply not found in the text.
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You are correct on that ~ Alexander is not mentioned by name but when you read the tafsirs, that is how the islamic scholars tell the story. Not my fault they have the wrong information.
and no , I’m not Koranist…
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OK, thanks! 🙂

But without the hadiths and sunna and tafsirs, you cannot learn or undertand what the koran is saying. 🤷
 
Hadi said:
and that’s what I meant…I wanted from Jakasaki to know that the Quran is the authority over these matters (that Adam and Lot were prophet) …I want to see where Adam and Lot were called prophets in the Quran ?
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And indeed they have passed by the town [of prophet Lut (Lot)] on which was rained the evil rain. Did they (disbelievers) not then see it (with their own eyes)? Nay! But they used not to expect any resurrection.
( سورة الفرقان , Al-Furqan, Chapter #25, Verse #40)
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And He destroyed the overthrown cities [of Sodom to which prophet Lut (Lot) was sent].
( سورة النجم , An-Najm, Chapter #53, Verse #53)
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searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=%22prophet+Lut%22&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=exact
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Jakasaki , you may as well say “Allah says in the Quran that Alexender the Great is a Muslim”…so show me a text without brackets
 
Hadi said:
Jakasaki , you may as well say “Allah says in the Quran that Alexender the Great is a Muslim”…so show me a text without brackets
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For the Love of God Hadi, I already said that on post #48.

There is **NO **name mentioned on Alexender the Great in the koran.

It’s in the tafsirs where his name is mentioned.

And as far as my quote below, **I DID NOT **put prophet Lut in brackets. It’s on their web site.
And indeed they have passed by the town** [of prophet Lut (Lot)] **on which was rained the evil rain. Did they (disbelievers) not then see it (with their own eyes)? Nay! But they used not to expect any resurrection.
( سورة الفرقان , Al-Furqan, Chapter #25, Verse #40)
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And He destroyed the overthrown cities [of Sodom to which prophet Lut (Lot) was sent].
( سورة النجم , An-Najm, Chapter #53, Verse #53)
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searchtruth.com/search.ph…rch_word=exact
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I attached the link to the koran web site that I use for your review.

It’s a 100% islamic site.

And it’s NOT a anti-islam site.

Seriously, I don’t know what else you want.

**Tell me Hadi since you are a muslim. **

Is Lot/Lut a prophet under islam?

Is Adam a prophet under islam?
 
elwill said:
thank you jay
althought i allready know that there are contradictions between quran and bible , but i cant see conttradictions in this issue actually
that how i see the situation
bible said that lot is only rightious man in sodom and that he was abraham’s nephew and that God sent the angles to him to save him

quran said , that lot was a prophet from allah to sodom and that he lived in the same time of abraham (pbuh) and that God sent the angles to him to save him

when i apply the defination of “contradiction” to those two statement , i can’t see any contraditions at all
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What definition of contradiction are you using?
  1. a) The act of contradicting; b) The state of being contradicted.
  2. A denial.
    ** 3. Inconsistency; discrepancy.**
  3. Something that contains contradictory elements. The American Heritage Dictionary, 2009]
The Bible says Lot is not a prophet, merely a family member to Abraham. The Koran states that Lot is a prophet. That is a contradiction. If you compare history books, and one says that George Washington was president of the United States whereas another said that George Washington was president and king, and the second book claims to be comparable to the first, then we have a contradiction in that second book.

Now let’s compare:
  • Bible - The written traditions and prophecies of the Jews and later the Christians (who came from the Jews), the first books of which are believed to have been written down some 5000 years ago.
  • Koran - A book that didn’t exist until the 600’s AD, dictated by one man who had no connections with Judaism nor Christianity.
If there is a contradiction in the Koran regarding a character from Jewish history, upon whose fault is that?
 
jakasaki said:
If the koran does not state that Adam & Lot were prophets, well then, where did the idea come from labelling them as such?
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I would like to know this as well. These are just 3 sites I found regarding “Prophet Lot” (emphasis is mine). I’ve also seen Hadi’s argument that Lot is called a messenger in the Quran, but not a prophet. But, in addition to that I’ve seen the argument that the words are interchangeable and every messenger is a prophet. 🤷
Muslims hold the view that every nabi (prophet) is a rasul (messenger); and that every rasul is a nabi. As a matter of fact, those two words signify two aspects of the mission Allah Almighty has entrusted to every prophet and messenger; and we see no example or evidence in the Quran where one aspect alone is present in a person chosen by Allah as His Messenger or Prophet. readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1221720588135&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%2FAskAboutIslamE
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Lot’s Message
It was at the height of these crimes and sins that Allah revealed to Prophet Lot that he should summon the people to give up their indecent behavior, but they were so deeply sunk in their immoral habits that they were deaf to Lot’s preaching. Swamped in their unnatural desires, they refused to listen, even when Lot warned them of Allah’s punishment. Instead, they threatened to drive him out of the city if he kept on preaching.
witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/Prophet/lut.htm
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The Story of Prophet Lut (Lot)
[edit] Angels appear to Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham)
According to the supreme Islamic religious text, the Qur’an, Lot was a Prophet of Islam, and a nephew of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham). A group of Angels visited Ibrahim as guests[3] and gave him glad tidings of a son “endowed with wisdom”,[4][5] they told him that they had been sent by Allah to the “guilty people”[6] of Lot[7] to destroy them[8][9] with “a shower of stones of clay (brimstone)”[10] and deliver Lot and those who believed in him except his wife saying “she is of those who lag behind”.[11][12] The Qur’an also draws upon Lot’s wife as an “example for the Unbelievers” as she was married to a righteous man but cheated him by not believing in his words and was thus condemned to hellfire.[13]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Lot
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**The Advent of Prophet Lut(Lot): **
The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) was contemporary of Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him). He was a nephew and follower of the Faith of his uncle. He was the resident of Ur, an ancient town in Mesopotamia God conferred prophethood upon him.
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He was commanded to leave his native land and go to Sodom and Gomorra to warn and reform the people who were indulged in grave sins such as homosexual intercourse and robbery. The Holy Qur’an says:
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“And Lut (remember) when he said to his folk: Will you commit abomination such as no creature ever did before. Lo! you come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but you are wanton folk.” (7:80, 81)
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In another Verse the Holy Qur’an throws a light on the character of those sinning people. It says:
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“What? Do you not come to males and commit robbery on the highways and do evil deeds in your meeting?” (29: 29)
islam101.com/history/people/prophets/lut.htm
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Nabi=prophet= someone who has a prophecy from God. he has been told something that has never been told before.

Rasul=messenger= someone who simply conveys a message from God. (Lot conveyed a warning from God to the people of* Sodom* and Gomorrah)

Is there a distinction between a Messenger and a Prophet in Christianity ?
 
jakasaki said:
Bump, from post #51 to member Hadi

**Tell me Hadi since you are a muslim.

Is Lot/Lut a prophet under islam?

Is Adam a prophet under islam? **
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“Under Islam” ?? can you be more specific ? (which sect and at what time and from what scholar)…I’m not asking for an answer here…I just want you to know that we don’t have a Catechism and Vatican …if I give you an answer,you would find many different answers from other Muslims…so to settle this issue…we refer to the Quran.
 
Hadi said:
“Under Islam” ?? can you be more specific ? (which sect and at what time and from what scholar)…I’m not asking for an answer here…I just want you to know that we don’t have a Catechism and Vatican …if I give you an answer,you would find many different answers from other Muslims…so to settle this issue…we refer to the Quran.
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:compcoff: Good morning Hadi.

Since the koran does not state Lot/Lut as a prophet or a messenger well then he isn’t such, is that correct based on your opinion.

:coffeeread:
 
jakasaki said:
:compcoff: Good morning Hadi.

Since the koran does not state Lot/Lut as a prophet or a messenger well then he isn’t such, is that correct based on your opinion.

:coffeeread:
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no,Lot is a messenger…check the Quran again…

btw,it’s ok…you can write my name with small h as well
 
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