Acknowledging Islam

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Your irrational and ignorant hatred of 1.6 billion sons of Abraham is the only thing disgusting.

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Islamophobia strong it is, this one with
 
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Spyridon said:
Your irrational and ignorant hatred of 1.6 billion sons of Abraham
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The muslim religion says they are the spiritual “sons of Abraham” through Ismael. But just because they say it doesn’t mean its true, or that there is 5 cents worth of proof of the claim.

I agree hatred of people just because they are caught up in a false religion and pack of lies is pretty irrational- but I really don’t see this here
 
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It is said that when St. Francis of Assisi visited the Sultan of Egypt he admired the 5 times daily call to prayer.

Muslims are very religious people. What can we learn from them?
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What i would like to learn is… how do we know which form of this religion is the true religion and what gives one the authority to give the absolute answer to this question?

Its beginning to sound like there are as many differences within “Islam” all under the same umbrella as there are in Christianity. It shows even here in this thread that we don’t really know what “they” believe. As a Catholic im glad to know there is one voice I can look to to know what the unified faith says about a particular issue. Where is this found in the Islamic community?

Peace!!!
 
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I’ve often thought this myself and have wondered how Islam will play a role in the grand scheme of things.

I’ve travelled to the Middle-East, and I’ve backpacked across Syria. I found Muslims to be very charitable, kind to each other and to foreigners. I had arrived in Damascus from a long flight, tired and hungry. In search of food, I was called over by restaurant patrons asking if I wanted anything to eat. This was during the Holy month of Ramadan and everything was closed during the day. They opened up the place just to serve me. I wonder how often this would happen in the West? But this kind of hospitality was evident all over the country.

I could say a lot more on the subject, especially based on my observations of living in Europe. But I think as a whole, those who follow Islam are more pious, certainly more charitable and take their religion more seriously than the average nominal Christian.
 
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Islam is what I call smoothie of heresy and paganism all mixed into some kind of monotheistic faith molded in the image of The Abrahamic faiths. Some Muslims are kind people with good intentions but real Islam as practiced by real Muslims (Isis and Salafis) is what you can call barbarism. Infact every nation Islam spread to has pretty much degraded in every aspect of moral values and knowledge. You might try and quote Spain but a fun fact for you is that many Islamic scholars had to actually flee their homes or risk being killed infact some were killed on the charge of being a Zindiq (heretic) and if Islam had not appeared in the European front lines the renaissance might have happened a lot sooner without Muslims constantly invading and Christian Europeans focusing all efforts on Holy wars to drive the Muslims out. Muhammed said I will fight them until they say la ilah ila Allah wa Muhammed rasul Allah he said they will submit to Islam, pay the jizyah and be subdued, or we will fight them.
 
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Sorry, but these are not sources from muslim scholars or even muslims who know their religion. I come from a partly muslim family, and it is just weird to red some of the statmets in this thread, even as a christian.
 
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Spyridon:
Your irrational and ignorant hatred of 1.6 billion sons of Abraham
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The muslim religion says they are the spiritual “sons of Abraham” through Ismael. But just because they say it doesn’t mean its true, or that there is 5 cents worth of proof of the claim.

I agree hatred of people just because they are caught up in a false religion and pack of lies is pretty irrational- but I really don’t see this here
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Nor do I see it.
 
Islam is faith I’m not fond of maybe it’s due to personal experience but on the side of facts and logic Islam is not the faith I’d choose. The claim that Mohammed is a descendant from Ishmael also might be fabricated since Muslims claim that Mecca wa already inhabited by a Yemeni tribe called Jerhum and Ishmael and his mother ended up living with them and he learned Arabic from them and intermarried with them and from there came the tribe of Quraysh the tribe of Mohammed It is highly doubtful Ishmael or the lady Hagar ever went to Arabia especially not some place so deep into Arabia like Mecca which practically didn’t even exist back then but that’s another story. Mohammed was even quoted as saying the people of Yemen are of me and I of them, Mohammed was also fond of Yemen and Yemenis. It seems more likely that the Jurhum tribe eventually developed into the tribe of Quraysh by intermarrying with neighboring tribes and growing into the Quraysh of Mecca. Either way even if Mohammed was from Ishmael it means nothing since the real covenant was with Isaac and his descendants who would be destined to spread the true faith around the world as Jesus and the apostles did.
 
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Islam is a religion that mixes both it’s secular (political) life and religious life. A religion that call’s it’s subjects to pray during regular business hours and the secular laws enforce or permit it’s citizens to observe the public call to prayer becomes the “norm” of everyday life to those who follow Islam.

St. Francis of Assisi surely was impressed when he learned that all citizens obeyed the public call to prayer approved and practiced by it’s secular authorities. St. Francis probably could not imagine such foreign practice, conducted by secular Western Monarch’s calling their subject’s to observe a daily public prayer.

Islamic society is something to admire here, when it includes all facets of life to include a time of daily prayer.

In the West our governments could not compare to Islamic governments when it comes to religious practices. This includes predominantly Catholic Countries today.

That said. The practice of prayer and the celebration of worship (Mass) in Catholicism is practiced everyday from the rising of the Sun to it’s setting, a prophecy fulfilled since the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

In fact there is a Rosary prayed, Sign of the Cross made (this is a prayer by the way), a Mass celebrated every hour on the hour everyday throughout the world, in the body of Christ. The Catholic Church being the body of Christ on earth is ONE. When one member prays we all pray, when one member hurts we all hurt.

Peace be with you
 
I assume that you don’t know Islam interferes in all forms of daily life from the way you eat to the way you go to the bathroom. It makes the Soviet Union look like a paradise. Blasphemy is punishable by death, homosexuality by death, apostasy by death, adultery by stoning, theft by amputation of hand, making war upon Allah and his messenger crucifixion, tax is levied on minority religions, minority religions lose all forms of basic rights and degenerate into second class citizens little better then animals, and the worst part is according to Islam Muslims must spread this way of life to other nations as according to Islam the only law meant to govern man is the law of Allah which is the Islamic sharia and is the cause for the oppression of the Christians of the Middle East. Why do you think Christianity has practically declined in every country in the Middle East besides Israel.
 
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I find it hard to disagree with your points. The fact remains Islam is a religion that cannot be ignored and must be acknowledged as a formidable foe to all who are not Muslim.

Christianity has declined because she has no local government’s enforcing her religious practices. The Jews survive such a religious climate because Judaism like Islam mixes her religion with secular politics and or secular society.

In hindsight, Islamic societies and Sharia Law prevent Muslims from ever coming to the Truth of Jesus Christ, which is Love. In the house of Islam, Muslim’s practice the virtue of love your neighbor, but in the house of War, a Muslim is forbidden to practice such love with neighbor and enemy.

For Islam to change and experience the True Love of God. Islamic governments will have to allow Muslim’s the liberty and freedom to judge for themselves what is Truth and what is not. The liberty and freedom a Muslim experiences is with in the house of Islam or among Muslim’s only, contrary to the house of War in Islam, where non-believers preside.
 
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Islam isn’t growing due to converts that’s a well told lie, islams growth is mostly due to birth rate since they have much higher firtility rate then any other religion but in terms of converts Christianity is way higher and by the way Christianity isn’t on decline its on the rise, its only a media quote that says Christianity is dying. I used to think Christianity should govern most aspects of life no matter a persons choice but I understand that it would cause more hate against Christianity and Christians if compulsion was used. How many Muslims would stay as Muslims if you think the death penalty were to be removed? Only a weak faith must remain in power through the use of threats, lies, and force. Islam is that weak faith, Christianity is not. I do believe that Christianity should have a central place in the government and Church authorities should be able to interfere in aspects of politics but enforcing the faith at gun point only shows how weak it really is. And by the way Islam is on fast decline with numerous Muslims becoming Athiests, Agnostics, Christians, or converting to different religions. Ex muslims are also becoming way more common why do you think meek radical Islamic groups are on the rise because they themselves know Islam is going to collapse in on itself. The jig is up for Islam and its reign or terror my friend.
 
I don’t mind Christianity being mixed with secular politics but at the same time freedom of religion is a must.
 
alice24 said:
Sorry, but these are not sources from muslim scholars or even muslims who know their religion. I come from a partly muslim family, and it is just weird to red some of the statmets in this thread, even as a christian.
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Alice

To begin with, may the peace, love and message that Jesus preached remain with you always.

I beg to diasagree with you. Those examples are from Muslim scholars and Muslims who know their religion. I strongly suggest you read “The Quran Dilema” This book was put together by a group of many former Muslim writers, Islamic specialists, scholars, editors, researchers and translators. I also suggest you view videos on Youtube by ex-muslims and other applogetics who know their

I have no problem with Muslims. To me, they are just like any other group of people, like Christians, Pagans, Chinese, Russians or what-have you. We all are the children of God and God loves us equally. The problem I have is that Moslems are so brainwashed that they dare not and cannot critisize their religion or their Prophet, out of fear of being killed. So Islam is based on fear and this fear has been transmitted through the ages. It does not matter whether they bow down seven or ten times a day, face Mecca while praying etc, etc etc. Scholars say that one cannot understand the Koran without the Hadiths but the Hadiths are full of contradictions.

So what good thing can I learn from Muslims; well not much different from what I can learn from other groups. Not piety for sure because I cannot tell if their piety or kindness is genuine or not. Let me illustrate: Suppose I see a beautiful lady that I really fancy, I put a gun to her head and tell her to say she loves. If she says she loves me, does she really love me?. If she cannot question anything I do or say and will be killed if she wants out of the forced relationship, can you honestly say we have a loving relationship. Why is it a death penalty for a Muslim to renounce Islam. Why not leave the punishment to Allah. Why not allow people to choose how to worship our Creator. Look at ISIS and BOKO HARAM; they follow Islam straight from the Koran.
 
Particularly impressive fasting on month -“Ramadan”
Only after sunset, people can eat food and drink water.
 
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Very briefly: Thomas Merton has a book about the Sufi’s and I am sure that medieval alchemy, natural magic, etc as studied in the church at that time- was in many ways of Persian Islamic origin. [Spiritual Alchemy still survives today]. The main emphasis on Christianity is Christ’s sacrifice- death and resurrection which is far and beyond the Islamic comprehension of it.
 
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