ACLU Launches 'Toolkit' Designed for LGBT Parents

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soulspeak23:
how exactly does one “document” thier sexuality?
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It is self professed.
 
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It is self professed.
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so you’re expecting people who have been pulled over for a sticker on thier car, and are being threatened to have thier children taking away, to freely admit their homosexuality?
 
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TPJCatholic:
No, I think gays should not be allowed to have children or adopt them.
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Why not? What do you think is going to happen?

Are hospitals now supposed to investigate the sexual orientation of everyone who gives birth?
 
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soulspeak23:
so you’re expecting people who have been pulled over for a sticker on thier car, and are being threatened to have thier children taking away, to freely admit their homosexuality?
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Nope, the car being pulled over was a sarcastic post. I was speaking in a general sense.
 
Penny Plain:
Why not? What do you think is going to happen?

Are hospitals now supposed to investigate the sexual orientation of everyone who gives birth?
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What would happen would be moral violence toward those poor children as the Church teaches.
 
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What would happen would be moral violence toward those poor children as the Church teaches.
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I don’t understand what you mean by “moral violence.” Does that mean that they’d be raised in a home where sin is present?

Or do you have something more in mind when you’re taking aim at this particular sin?
 
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David_Paul:
Yes we have a terrible, terrible crisis in America . Federal agents are breaking down doors to snatch children away from lesbian mothers. See it everyday where I live.

“Cops” had a special on it last weekend. A Lesbian Mother Task Force Swat Team in Santa Cruz, California raided grocery Co-ops and New Age book stores rounding up Lesbians and their babies. Some of the Lesbians bolted after flash-bang grenades were tossed into their hide outs. In an interesting twist, the Feds used specially trained Daschunds to chase and tree the lesbians mothers. Once tree’ed, the lesbians were shot with Prozac tipped darts causing them to fall into waiting nets.

But where to we put safe guarding Lesbian mothers on the list of ACLU priorities? So many pressing issues the ACLU must address. Such as:

Protecting military bases from Boy Scouts of America meetings.

Demolishing the “Mojave Cross” lest more Veterans memorial spring up in the desert where not one person in 500,000 sees them.

Protecting the right of homosexuals to proselytize in a California High School paper .

Continuing, despite loss after loss, to protect the right of abortionists to abort the babies of 13 year olds without telling the child’s parents.

Asking a Louisiana judge to put Tangipahoa Parish school officials in prison for saying prayers.

Making sure terrorists in Gitmo have Korans in their cells, prayer mats and clean skull caps.

After all, if we don’t protect the religious rights of foreign terrorists who want to murder us, tommorow somebody may try to take away our freedom of religion…
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Okay David Paul 👍 You hit the nail on the head, right in the center. And what do you think caused us to get into this fine mess? Political correctness, the manifestation of moral relativism. Yet another battle for the Church Militant…St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle…because the ACLU seems to have Big Mo on its side, unless we develop and utilize a potent counter-language to deflect, derail, debunk, refute, neutralize the ACLU and its rhetoric which is turning natural law on its head.
 
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soulspeak23:
how exactly does one “document” thier sexuality?
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One is born with either XX or XY sex chromosomes which exhibit as female or male characteristics. It is documented on one’s birth certificate
 
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Lizzie:
One is born with either XX or XY sex chromosomes which exhibit as female or male characteristics. It is documented on one’s birth certificate
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thank you, but what i meant was, how does someone show documented proof of either their heterosexuality or thier homosexuality?
 
Penny Plain:
I don’t understand what you mean by “moral violence.” Does that mean that they’d be raised in a home where sin is present?

Or do you have something more in mind when you’re taking aim at this particular sin?
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CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS

TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION
TO UNIONS
BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.
 
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soulspeak23:
thank you, but what i meant was, how does someone show documented proof of either their heterosexuality or thier homosexuality?
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The issue is some are openly “gay” and demanding the right to adopt children.
 
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Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.
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I think you’re dodging my question.

All sin harms “full human development.” All people are sinners. Why single out this sin?

As I understand your position, you’d bar adoption even by chaste homosexuals.
 
Penny Plain:
I think you’re dodging my question.

All sin harms “full human development.” All people are sinners. Why single out this sin?

As I understand your position, you’d bar adoption even by chaste homosexuals.
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Those are the words of the Vatican. Sinning is not the sole issue. Some sins are greater than others. Homsexual conduct is not only a grave sin, but the issues we are speaking about regard those who refuse to accept it is a sin and it is about the fact that children raised in such an environment are harmed by by intentionally exposing them to a disordered way of living.
 
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Lizzie:
Thank you!

I still think of myself as a liberal. Isn’t it awful that present day ‘liberals’ preach such terrible degeneracy which destroys the fabric of our individuality and our society?
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Present day “liberals” are immersed in liberalism, which is very bad and condemnted by the Church. I think this is a far cry from what you consider being “liberal” to be. Many of the concepts have defective roots, but the most notable is moral relativism. No society has survived that accepted moral relativism (with no moral absolutes) as standard. Unfortunately, the leadership of the Democrat party largely supports this idea.
 
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Matt25:
The point might be that a lesbian who gives birth to a child should not have that child snatched away by federal agents just because she is a lesbian. A mom is a mom whatever her sexual orientation.
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What law mandates that this happen? When does this ever happen? That is NOT the point. The point is to push homosexuals into more and more “normal” and parenting situations.
 
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David_Paul:
One poster claimed children are taken away from lesbian mothers just because they are lesbians, the ACLU hints that may be the case, and all of a sudden it is a fact.

I don’t believe it is. I want someone to show me one case where that was the only factor. Don’t even see how anyone would know a mother was a lesbian or not.
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You are giving the idea too much credit. It is utter nonsense. It is a front to promote debauchery as normal. If the ACLU was honest (which they don’t consider an important moral value), they would come clean and say incest isn’t all that bad as long as it is all consensual. Their mission is to wipe clean anything that has a hint of Christian value behind it and create our own morally relativisic universe. The only ones that will not be tolerated are those that think we should have some moral framework for our laws.
 
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