ACLU sues over Catholic Bishops being Catholic

[Benedict108]

religious freedom, getting rid of capital punishment, getting full and equal rights for the lgbt community, separation of church and state.

It would seem that I agree with some of your contentions such as the abolishment of capital punishment and furthering religious freedom, but if you are taking the ACLU’s position of seperation of church and state it would act contrary to religious freedom and in opposition to the intentions of the framers of the US Consititution. The framers had the intention of no religion being estabished as a “state religion” not the prevention of its exercise or its influence in politics, but the ACLU proposes a more radical agenda that has religion at the back burner in the political arena and in the public spectrum. As I had mentioned in my earlier posting, they support a secular humanist point of view.
You also wrote that you support full and equal rights for the LBGT. Would this also include homosexual marriage, which is contrary to the Roman Catholic Church’s teachings?

 

[Elizabeth502]

religious freedom, getting rid of capital punishment, getting full and equal rights for the lgbt community, separation of church and state.

Please define the scope of what you mean by “full and equal rights for the LGBT community.”

 

[barb_finnegan]

Oh, good grief…that’s why I can’t stand the ACLU.

I hope this gets thrown out of court!

Oy…

 

[Teen4Christ]

It would seem that I agree with some of your contentions such as the abolishment of capital punishment and furthering religious freedom, but if you are taking the ACLU’s position of seperation of church and state it would act contrary to religious freedom and in opposition to the intentions of the framers of the US Consititution. The framers had the intention of no religion being estabished as a “state religion” not the prevention of its exercise or its influence in politics, but the ACLU proposes a more radical agenda that has religion at the back burner in the political arena and in the public spectrum. As I had mentioned in my earlier posting, they support a secular humanist point of view.
You also wrote that you support full and equal rights for the LBGT. Would this also include homosexual marriage, which is contrary to the Roman Catholic Church’s teachings?

Yes it would


I know it goes against the teachings of the catholic church, but…It’s just what I believe is right

 

[Teen4Christ]

Please define the scope of what you mean by “full and equal rights for the LGBT community.”

Goverment benifets for SS couples that are the same as their straight counterparts(marriage, adoption, anti-discriminatory laws)

 

[estesbob]

Goverment benifets for SS couples that are the same as their straight counterparts(marriage, adoption, anti-discriminatory laws)

I know of no benefits available to those who enage in heterosexual behavior that are not available to those who engage in homosexual behavior.

 

[Teen4Christ]

I know of no benefits available to those who enage in heterosexual behavior that are not available to those who engage in homosexual behavior.

Fair enough


Either way, SS couples in many places are being denied the right to marry and adopt, also they can be fired for simply being gay.

 

[elvisman]

It means I support causes that are usually seen as liberal

**Well, that’s a nice dance around the questions, but you haven’t answered them. **Here they are, again:

**What is it about them (ACLU) that you support?

I also see your profile lists you at 18 years of age and “very liberal”. May I ask what that means? **

**What “very liberal” causes do you support? **

 

[Teen4Christ]

Well, that’s a nice dance around the questions, but you haven’t answered them. Here they are, again:

What is it about them (ACLU) that you support?

I also see your profile lists you at 18 years of age and “very liberal”. May I ask what that means?

What "very liberal" causes do you support?

They fight for separation of church and state, LGBT rights, freedom of speech, and other things. I support that

It means what it means, I’m very open minded.

I support things that are traditionally seen as being liberal, socialized medicine, gay marriage, a free market, woman’s rights, I believe that if something doesn’t directly hurt people, than what’s the big deal?

 

[Wolseley]

Either way, SS couples in many places are being denied the right to marry and adopt

Homosexuals cannot marry. They are incapable of fulfilling one of the basic tenants of marriage, being that every instance of sexual intercourse must be open the production of new life. The only thing that homosexulas can engage in is a parody of marriage.

As for adopting children, this should not be permitted. There is a considerable body of evidence to indicate that homosexuality is a learned behavior, a product of certain environments, and the last thing we need is to teach innocent children that perversion is normal and beneficial.

I also see your profile lists you at 18 years of age and “very liberal”. May I ask what that means?

No life experience.

 

[Teen4Christ]

Homosexuals cannot marry. They are incapable of fulfilling one of the basic tenants of marriage, being that every instance of sexual intercourse must be open the production of new life. The only thing that homosexulas can engage in is a parody of marriage.

As for adopting children, this should not be permitted. There is a considerable body of evidence to indicate that homosexuality is a learned behavior, a product of certain environments, and the last thing we need is to teach innocent children that perversion is normal and beneficial.

No life experience.

Then give us the parody


Studies have also shown that most SS couples are everybit as capable of parents as their straight counterparts


lol

 

[elvisman]

They fight for separation of church and state, LGBT rights, freedom of speech, and other things. I support that

What about it do you support?
By “LGBT”, you mean Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender - right? Do you fit into this group? Because I can’t see how you would think that this lifestyle is condusive to Christianity. **
Can you tell me how?

Those things are strictly spoken against in scripture. Does that mean anything to you as a self-proclaimed Christian?
According to Scripture, those who live this lifestyle are committing an abomination and will not inherit the Kingdom of heaven.

What do you mean by “Separation of Church and State” and how is that a noble cause??

It means what it means, I’m very open minded.

"Very Liberal" means very open-minded? How so?
**The ACLU claims to be liberal but they’re extremely close-minded. **
**They believe that God has no place in society - not just the government - but everywhere. How is that open-minded? Unborn human beings have no right to live. Is that “open-minded”? **

I support things that are traditionally seen as being liberal, socialized medicine, gay marriage, a free market, woman’s rights, I believe that if something doesn’t directly hurt people, than what’s the big deal?

Belief in a free market is “liberal-minded”? I’m very conservative and even I believe in a free market - but you don’t, even though you think you do.

If you did, you wouldn’t be for forced socialized medicine. Free-market thinkers believe that this should be left to the free market and the private sector.

As a conservative and a Christian - I believe in the human rights that we all have including woen, minorities, homosexuals AND the unborn. Women who do the same work as men should be paid the same. They should be treated with as much respect as well. This isn’t a liberal ideology.

As for your last comment - **"…if something doesn’t directly hurt people, than what’s the big deal?" - when was the last time - as a Christian - that you cracked open a bible? 1 Cor. 12:27 tells us that we are all members of the Body of Christ and when one member sufferes we all suffer. When damage is done to one member, damage is done to othe body.

Perhaps you should change your name to “Teen4theWorld” because that’s what you’re philosophy says about you.

You’re very young and inexperienced. I know that life will teach you many things - especially that if you claim to be a Christian - you need to rethink some of your positions.

 

[elvisman]

Then give us the parody


Studies have also shown that most SS couples are everybit as capable of parents as their straight counterparts


lol

That’s funny, because studies have also shown that promiscuity among the homosexual community is far more prevalent that of heterosexuals - which also leads to more break-ups and new partners than heterosexual marriage. This doesn’t make for a stable home - not that heterosexual homes haven’t suffered as well.

 

[Wolseley]

Studies have also shown that most SS couples are everybit as capable of parents as their straight counterparts


lol

Do tell.

Then we’ll engage in a study: you put three homosexual couples in a hotel, and I’ll put three heterosexual couples in a hotel, and at the end of nine months, we’ll see which couples are pregnant.

 

[estesbob]

Fair enough


Either way, SS couples in many places are being denied the right to marry and adopt, also they can be fired for simply being gay.

People who engage in homosexual behavior have the same right to marry as do all Americans regardless of race, creed, gender or country of national origin. Ones sexual behavior should not be an issue in the workplace unless ones makes it so.

 

[Benedict108]

People who engage in homosexual behavior have the same right to marry as do all Americans regardless of race, creed, gender or country of national origin. Ones sexual behavior should not be an issue in the workplace unless ones makes it so.

As far as homosexuals being fired from jobs because of their sexual preference, there are laws which prohibit such things and is the reason why they have recourse to the United States Legal System, unless it conflicts with the rules or statutes of a private or religious organization. The right for homosexuals to marry and adopt…I will have to disagree with you there as goes against natural law and Catholic moral teaching. I shan’t pursue this line too much further or you and I will find ourselves off topic on this thred, though I think it would make for an interesting conversation .
Pax Tecum.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Teen4Christ,

No one has a right to adopt, including straight couples, straight singles. One petitions an agency to adopt. Agencies, public & private, look for a variety of factors to assess suitability. Adoption is a privilege.