ACLU wants apology after student leads graduation crowd in reciting Lord's Prayer

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…Okay, let’s change the example to… Gay Pride Parade in the schools.
You are making a good point. They already do that in public schools across the country and parents are not allowed to keep their children out of those classes, and kids must align themselves with the teachings coming from the school. We can talk about school mandated administration of ABC pills, even against the will of the parents (no opt out possibility). What about the old saying “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander”?
 
You’re not sending a request for an apology to the ACLU. You’re sending a request for an apology to the school. You said there wouldn’t be a request for an apology if it was something against religion. The only reason there’s not one is because you didn’t send one.

And sure, the ACLU is probably going to laugh at it in the same manner that you are laughing at the ACLU’s request for an apology for the Lord’s Prayer. So what?
The same applies, attacks on Christianity will not be apologized for by the public school, nor would it be sought by the ACLU.

Anti-Christian bias runs very deep today–so deep that many do not even know that is what they are doing.
 
Really?

I think the ACLU has plenty to apologize for.
Yes, yes, but that’s not what the discussion was all about…

The discussion was bout sending a request for apology to the school as the title of the thread indicates…
 
The same applies, attacks on Christianity will not be apologized for by the public school, nor would it be sought by the ACLU.

Anti-Christian bias runs very deep today–so deep that many do not even know that is what they are doing.
Actually, attacks on Christianity is illegal in Public Schools in my state (Florida Religious Freedom act prohibits teaching or showing preference for or against a particular religion). Now - what constitutes attack may be questionable. For example - homosexuality and birth control are not consider religious issues - they are considered social issues. Just like pork in the cafeteria is not a religious issue, it’s a dietary issue.

Make sense?

The ACLU is just one organization. And yes, their motives are questionable. But, they do not control Public Schools. They are currently prominent because there hasn’t been an organization as vocal that counters their claims. So, yes, if you feel really strongly about a particular issue such as this, you may form an organization to see to the protection of the rights of - whatever group you like to protect - and make your side known to the Public Schools.
 
The ACLU should apologize for their perversion of the Consitution, their anti-Americanism, and their hypocrisy.

Read an article from The American Thinker that illustrates such hypocrisy by the ACLU. Here’s an excerpt:

“Now imagine my surprise when I couldn’t find anyone — either at the Massachusetts ACLU or at its big brother in Washington — who had brought legal action, or who would even render an opinion, on the construction of a $22,000,000 religious structure on land virtually given away by the City of Boston and attendant religious instruction courses forced on a nearby state—funded college. How could such a monumental religious undertaking involving the obvious endorsement by government officials at every level escape the withering gaze of the watchdogs of the ACLU?
It took only a few phone calls to find the answer. The religious structure and institution was neither a church nor a synagogue. It was a mosque. And not just another mosque. The Islamic Society of Boston’s mosque project will be the largest on the East Coast of the United States and will be funded primarily through Middle Eastern money.”

Full article: americanthinker.com/2006/04/the_aclus_antireligious_hypocr.html
 
The ACLU is just one organization. And yes, their motives are questionable. But, they do not control Public Schools. They are currently prominent because there hasn’t been an organization as vocal that counters their claims. .
Actually none have the financial means to effectively combat the ACLU. They are a slightly more socially acceptable version Westbourgh Baptist Church.
 
Actually none have the financial means to effectively combat the ACLU. They are a slightly more socially acceptable version Westbourgh Baptist Church.
I disagree. Quite a number of benefactors to the Catholic Church have the means to do so. And I’m not even talking about all the other Christian organizations out there.
 
Actually, attacks on Christianity is illegal in Public Schools in my state (Florida Religious Freedom act prohibits teaching or showing preference for or against a particular religion). Now - what constitutes attack may be questionable. For example - homosexuality and birth control are not consider religious issues - they are considered social issues. Just like pork in the cafeteria is not a religious issue, it’s a dietary issue.

Make sense?

The ACLU is just one organization. And yes, their motives are questionable. But, they do not control Public Schools. They are currently prominent because there hasn’t been an organization as vocal that counters their claims. So, yes, if you feel really strongly about a particular issue such as this, you may form an organization to see to the protection of the rights of - whatever group you like to protect - and make your side known to the Public Schools.
I think you know well that I am not speaking about physical attacks on people; rather, I am speaking about legal and verbal attacks on Christians that have become part of everyday life across the USA.

You are attempting to paint a utopian picture of how this country works, and yet daily realities are far different. There is incredible hatred toward Christianity, and especially Catholic Christianity, in this nation. The ACLU, while only one organization, holds incredible funds from donors and from the feds, that they quite often use to fight back Christians. This is not a supposition or guess on my part–just do the research and see.

Go here: traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/ACLU.pdf
 
I disagree. Quite a number of benefactors to the Catholic Church have the means to do so. And I’m not even talking about all the other Christian organizations out there.
Not true…you are living in a utopian version of reality (no insult intended). Catholic benefactors know that they are called to help the poor, needy and the Church…the vast amount of their available sums goes to those Christ mandated offerings…there is little left for building funds to fight off every new lawsuit and action the ACLU takes on, and frankly since the culture at large is basically Pagan nowadays, it would not do any good anyway. That is, after all, the only reason the ACLU can do the things it does–it is being supported by a fallen away and mainly Pagan people.
 
Yes, yes, but that’s not what the discussion was all about…

The discussion was bout sending a request for apology to the school as the title of the thread indicates…
Which is an utterly ridiculous request considering the student is supposed to have freedom of religion and free speech–the student should be protected under both, yet the ACLU gladly takes on such actions because it knows the courts lean heavily to the left and they are likely going to win even though the request is counter to the United States Constitution. The left considers the authority of the Constitution to be just about the value of the paper it is printed on, except in times of their own need–during those times that founding document is sacred to them.
 
The A. C. L. U. is an acronym of oxymorons :onpatrol:

There is nothing American, Civil, Liberating or Unionistic about it. They’re basically a bunch of paid thugs. :hey_bud:
 
I think you know well that I am not speaking about physical attacks on people; rather, I am speaking about legal and verbal attacks on Christians that have become part of everyday life across the USA.

You are attempting to paint a utopian picture of how this country works, and yet daily realities are far different. There is incredible hatred toward Christianity, and especially Catholic Christianity, in this nation. The ACLU, while only one organization, holds incredible funds from donors and from the feds, that they quite often use to fight back Christians. This is not a supposition or guess on my part–just do the research and see.
I wasn’t talking about physical attacks on people either.

Irish… I know what you mean about hatred towards Christians and I do agree. I don’t have to go outside of CAF to see the incredible hatred towards Mormons even.

But, I’m also not talking about everyday life across the USA. I am talking specifically about graduation ceremonies in Public Schools. No more, no less. And, leading the students in a graduation ceremony in the recital of the Lord’s Prayer can be an insult to a Muslim student. Just like leading the students in a graduation ceremony in the recital of “A Call to Jihad” or whatever can be an attack to a Christian student. So, the Public School, in these cases, try to insure none of that happens by making prayers a silent affair in a graduation ceremony. Nobody is stopping anybody from praying - only that you do so in a manner that absolves the government administration from wrongdoing in the eyes of the law. This is not the time to beat our chests in defense of Christian Prayer.
 
I disagree. Quite a number of benefactors to the Catholic Church have the means to do so. And I’m not even talking about all the other Christian organizations out there.
Ever try?

The Westbourgh Baptist Church consists of just a few lawyers but they have defeated entire state and city legal departments backed by millions of taxpayer dollars. How does a school district fight them when they operate on a limited budget?
 
Which is an utterly ridiculous request considering the student is supposed to have freedom of religion and free speech–the student should be protected under both, yet the ACLU gladly takes on such actions because it knows the courts lean heavily to the left and they are likely going to win even though the request is counter to the United States Constitution. The left considers the authority of the Constitution to be just about the value of the paper it is printed on, except in times of their own need–during those times that founding document is sacred to them.
I think our thread got lost in the exchange and we are not in synch with the discussion. Let me see if I can bring it back to context:

The exchange was:

Stated: If somebody spoke out AGAINST Christianity in the graduation ceremony, there wouldn’t be any requests for apology.

I replied: Only because you didn’t send out one, meaning to say - Christians should defend their own religion by sending the request for apology to the school instead of relying on the questionable morals of the ACLU to do it for them.

Does that make sense now?
 
Telling someone not to lead a prayer at a government event isn’t the same thing as prohibiting from praying at all, or they telling them can’t say certain prayers, or they can’t practice a particular religion, or they have to practice a state-sponsored religion.

Not even close.

The free practice of religion means we, all of us, are free not to practice religion and are free from being forced to practice a particular religion or belief system. But it doesn’t mean we can foist pray off on the public.

Would you be offended if you were lead through a Muslim prayer at a public event? How about a Theravada Buddhist recitation? A Jewish prayer in Hebrew? A Native American shaman ritual?
Any one can pray when ever and what ever they want in this counrty. If they happen to pray from a religion that I do not agree with and I am there at the time I do not have the right to stop them. That person at the event earned the right to speak, however that was desided by those that put on the event. One one has the right to say what they can and can not say from that point on.

I am firm enough in my faith that the prayers of others do not offend me. What I am offended by is those that do not stand up and support the right of all to Pray. That try to silence prayer.

If the person speaking was any of these Theravada Buddhist, A Jewish, or a Native American shaman And they choose to pray ( and I support there right to do so) then I would expect it to be according to there faith.
 
I wasn’t talking about physical attacks on people either.

Irish… I know what you mean about hatred towards Christians and I do agree. I don’t have to go outside of CAF to see the incredible hatred towards Mormons even.

But, I’m also not talking about everyday life across the USA. I am talking specifically about graduation ceremonies in Public Schools. No more, no less. And, leading the students in a graduation ceremony in the recital of the Lord’s Prayer can be an insult to a Muslim student. Just like leading the students in a graduation ceremony in the recital of “A Call to Jihad” or whatever can be an attack to a Christian student. So, the Public School, in these cases, try to insure none of that happens by making prayers a silent affair in a graduation ceremony. Nobody is stopping anybody from praying - only that you do so in a manner that absolves the government administration from wrongdoing in the eyes of the law. This is not the time to beat our chests in defense of Christian Prayer.
Insulting words (to others) is not cause to take away free speech. I honestly can understand why a public school would refuse to sanction a Christian prayer–yet if a student chooses to do so on his/her own, that is simply a reflection of them using their protected right to free speech and their protected right to freely practice their faith. If someone from a different faith had recited a prayer from their faith, I am sure Christians would not join in, yet the person doing the reciting would be simply using their rights to do so.

The modern so-called “hate speech” mantra is quite dangerous imo–it tends to say people are not really free to speak.

We either have liberty, or we do not.
 
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