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Jesus left His Church which He established and the Holy Spirit guides and protects. Scripture is inspired by God. J
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Here’s a few other meanings for the Hebrew word for taken away.
- to pass over or by or through, alienate, bring, carry, do away, take, take away, transgress
- to pass over, cross, cross over, pass over, march over, overflow, go over
- to pass beyond
- to pass through, traverse
b) to pass through (the parts of victim in covenant)
- to pass along, pass by, overtake and pass, sweep by
b) to be past, be over
- to pass on, go on, pass on before, go in advance of, pass along, travel, advance
- to pass away
b) to vanish
c) to perish, cease to exist
d) to become invalid, become obsolete (of law, decree)
e) to be alienated, pass into other hands
b) (Niphal) to be crossed
c) (Piel) to impregnate, cause to cross
d) (Hiphil)
- to cause to pass over, cause to bring over, cause to cross over, make over to, dedicate, devote
- to cause to pass through
- to cause to pass by or beyond or under, let pass by
- to cause to pass away, cause to take away
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Hmmm…David committed ADULTERY…and then ordered the MURDER of Bathsheba’s husband…both sins that call for the death of the perpetrator…
And these were merely “mistakes”? You are mistaken, Paarsurrey.
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According to WHOM/WHAT? Please give your sources, Paarsurrey.
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Then what would you do with David? If GodAllahYHWH had forgiven him, then he goes to heaven or?
My Catholic friend, these are all stories of the scribes to conjure up the people, there is no reality in them.
And also Jesus is from his line/genealogy.
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You are still avoiding the question. Please give your sources: Who or What are you quoting from when you make these assertions? If you have no sources, you are merely prumulgating your own OPINION.
P.S. I am not Catholic.
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My Catholic friend, I thought, it is you who have to give the proofs and references:
- JesusYeshuaIssa did not leave anything revealed on him from GodAllahYHWH **in the form of written stone tablets as was in case of Moses.**Question: Have you anything from Jesus from GodAllahYHWH in the form of tablets, like Moses had?
Answer: None, with the Catholics. If you have any please provide. - (Secondly) or anything written by JesusYeshuaIssa himself when he left from Galilee, after the incident of Crucifixion, alongwith his mother Mary in search of the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel, he died natural and peaceful death in Kashmir, India.
Question: Have the Catholics anything written by hand of Jesus or dictated by him with his signatures?
Answer: None, with the Catholics. If you have any please provide. - Jesus left nothing behind authenticated by him, in possession of the Church.
Question: Have the Catholics anything authenticated by Jesus with his signatures, in possession of the church?
Answer: None, with the Catholic Church, in fact when both the Mother and Son departed last together from Galilee to an unknown destination, they had not constructed a church in Jerusalem or anywhere else. They both were Jews, and hence if ever they went anywhere for worship it was a synagogue. They never had an idea of a ‘church’; the word ‘church’ is not a Hebrew or Aramaic word which Jesus and Mary spoke.
We do respect the NTGospels which (now Fourthly ) have account of Jesus life, but it does not have much utility for a non-Catholic except that we may treat it as a book of history subject to scrutiny, internal as well as external, for each event for finding truth in it on merit.
I think it is reasonable.
If you have any references or otherwise; we would be happy to see it: but if you want to voluntarily, otherwise no compulsion.
So that is why it is the ultimate truth about Jesus.
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Were you being nasty Paarsurrey or did you not read his post?:ehh:
Who is this we you refer to:shrug:
This really does not have anything to do with your thread.
You are mistaken. Adam was a sinner. It has been amply shown to you. You do not address anything concerning this mistaken notion. Instead you have changed the subject to Jesus didn’t leave any written word:tsktsk:
Jesus left us with a living Church guided by the Holy Spirit. Because He left nothing with his signature is meaningless. The New Testament is His word to us.
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If you lie you are a lier. If you sin you are a sinner. If Adam was as clean as before he was at the time of his birth than why was he thrown out of the Garden of Eden?
Allah, the god of the Muslims, is not the same God as the God of Abraham(YHWH). Allah is a god of revenge and suicide. YHWH is a God of justice and love.
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I think I had mentioned in one of my posts here, that the garden was not up in the skies from which Adam and his spouse were thrown down on this earth. Man dies if thrown down from 200 hundred meters of height, what to speak of if thrown from above the skies. It is dropping of a status not from a on high place.
Adam lived here on this very earth in a garden like surrounding and he was Chosen to receive first Word of GodAllahYHWH’s revelation and not to live in caves, as the human beings were living in the caves till then, they both were asked not to mix with the people who insisted to live in caves, as that would not be the civilization of the future.
So now Adam and spouse were asked to move out of that surroundings to plains where they were to cultivate land and live in new surroundings and take progressive turn.
Why believe in mysteries to start with? Just in search of superstitious miracles?
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Adam was not the first human being, he was the first person with whom GodAllahYHWH had a direct conversation, and there were human beings men/woman before Adam and Eve having body and soul like Adam.
There is no such thing as not having a soul. Everything that has a form has a soul. But, not everything has a human soul or a spiritual soul that can survive the death of the body.
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What does this have to do with this thread? I have never heard of anyone believing that the Garden was in heaven
God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden but it was on earth.
You ignored post 67.
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Dude. Seriously. First, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION? Please tell me!
Second, “THROW OUT” IS AN EXPRESSION! EVER HEARD OF THEM? IT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN BEING LITERALY THROWN OUT!
“Why believe in mysteries to start with? Just in search of superstitious miracle?” How about the founder of your religion ascending into Heaven at the dome of the rock? Sounds like a mysterious miracle.
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Sir, this is a Non-Catholic, Sub-Forum, there are Muslims also who post here and among them there are some denominations of Muslim who believe that Adam and Eve were living in Heaven, and when they sinned , they were dropped on earth.
I think you understand now.
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Adam was not the first human being, he was the first person with whom GodAllahYHWH had a direct conversation, and there were human beings men/woman before Adam and Eve having body and soul like Adam.
There is no such thing as not having a soul. Everything that has a form has a soul. But, not everything has a human soul or a spiritual soul that can survive the death of the body.
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When and where did Adam repent his sins? The scripture you qouted has nothing to do with adam. By the time of David, Adam had already died. No where in the Bible did Adam, utter the words, ‘i’m sorry.’
God gave Adam many chances to say he was sorry but Adam never did. Did God forgive Him, that’s only for God to know.
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My Catholic friend, I thought, it is you who have to give the proofs and references:
Ever heard of the women cought in adultery. Jesus wrote on the ground. Our God writes our faults in dust not stone. The stone tablets were the law. The law came through Moses Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ. We don’t need stone tablets from Christ because his grace is sufficient.
- JesusYeshuaIssa did not leave anything revealed on him from GodAllahYHWH **in the form of written stone tablets as was in case of Moses.**Question: Have you anything from Jesus from GodAllahYHWH in the form of tablets, like Moses had?
Answer: None, with the Catholics. If you have any please provide.
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The Covenant we have with him is written in his hands. The nail marks are marks of blood covenant.
The Church has The Seal of The Holy Spirit, whichj declare The Church is owned by him.
We have redemption, forgivness of sins, salvation, deliverance from evil and much more all authenticated by his death and reserection.
I’m part of his Church and his name is written on my heart.
Who are we?
You do not respect the gospels because you do not know the man they are about.
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Kindly provide the reference from the OTBible, please.
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There is only one Covenant.
The covenant has been the same, as first time it is mentioned in Bible with reference to Noah; and from Noah to date, nobody could change it; if at all one could confirm it or revive it or face the Wrath of GodAllahYHWH.
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John 8
1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11"No one, sir," she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
What about where it says in the Koran that it was to the people of the book that Allah gave the covenants. (Covenants plural, not singular.)
You are saying that God never made a covenant with Abraham and so the covenant of circumcission never happened? Why do Muslims get circumcised then?
God also had a covenant with Job and the Jews were under the Levitical covenant as well as the Abrahamic covenant.
Marriage is another covenant.
The New Covenant was made by Jesus through the sheding his blood.
The problem is Muslims don’t understand what a covenant is.
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I think it is rather the Catholics who have a problem in understanding the Covenant correctly.
I will not presently quote from Quran, as the Catholics don’t believe in it ; so why quote from it?
From OTBible it starts first with the Noah:
Genesis 6
The Flood
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5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. [Paarsurrey: Here it is hinted as to why the Covenant was essentially to be made with man, to eradicate evil from the mind of the man.]
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
9 This is the account of Noah. [Paarsurrey: The covenant was to be made with man through a righteous person.]
Noah was a righteous man, blameless [Paarsurrey: Sinless, a perfect man.] among the people of his time, and he walked with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.
11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. [Paarsurrey: Here it is hinted as to why the Covenant was essentially to be made with man, to eradicate evil and violence from the mind of the man.] 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress [c] wood [Paarsurrey: Ark was an outward symbol of the Covenant, those who believed in GodAllahYHWH, the only ONE true God, and Noah a truthful messenger of God were to saved, others were to be wiped out.]
; 22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him. [Paarsurrey: Noah was a perfect man and ChosenOne of GodAllahYHWH]
Genesis 9
God’s Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.
6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man. [Paarsurrey: Here God had hinted other outward signs, that were to be observed]
7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it."
8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 **“I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.” ** 12 And God said, **“This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.” **
17 So God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth.”
So, this is the everlasting Covenant from OTBible, with rainbow as its eternal symbol in the sky.
May GodAllahYHWH bless the Catholics to understand it correctly!
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This is the Covenant.
The covenant has been the same, as first time it is mentioned in Bible with reference to Noah; and from Noah to date, nobody could change it; if at all one could confirm it or revive it or face the Wrath of GodAllahYHWH.
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Paarsurrrey did you really think about this request. The person said Jesus wrote on the ground. Jesus’ life is written about in the New Testament wouldn’t you agree. So I am assuming you must have meant to ask for something else right?
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