Adam was not a sinner

[paarsurrey]

The person said Jesus wrote on the ground.

Hi

You people live in the most developed countries, you cannot imagine common things in villages in the east, so there are things there is not much unusual there. Jesus wrote on the ground, there is nothing extraordinary about it, we have been writing on the ground in our villages, doing sums on the sands, and even in the schools we were used to writing on the slates and on tablets of wood.

So you people become ecstatic, without reason. The life in villages in the East about fifty years from hence was very simple and resembled the conditions of the time of Jesus, without much change, still it was no money economy, it was a barter system most of the time still working.

We Love Jesus and Mary, they were the ones amongst us, simple people of the villages/towns of the East. Still riding on the donkeys.

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir

 

[adrift]

Hi

You people live in the most developed countries, you cannot imagine common things in villages in the east, so there are things there is not much unusual there. Jesus wrote on the ground, there is nothing extraordinary about it, we have been writing on the ground in our villages, doing sums on the sands, and even in the schools we were used to writing on the slates and on tablets of wood.

So you people become ecstatic, without reason. The life in villages in the East about fifty years from hence was very simple and resembled the conditions of the time of Jesus, without much change, still it was no money economy, it was a barter system most of the time still working.

We Love Jesus and Mary, they were the ones amongst us, simple people of the villages/towns of the East. Still riding on the donkeys.

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir

 

[Dancelittleewok]

Hi
Adam was not a sinner , he only made a mistake, he felt sorry for that and repented before GodAllahYHWH, and He accepted his repentance and forgave him; so Adam was as clean as before he was at the time of his birth.

This is like Jonah, who also made a mistake, accepted his mistake, repented before GodAllahYHWH, resolved not to do it again and he was also forgiven.

Jesus was more like Adam that is why he often used to say Son of Man, or Son of Adam , so if one believes that Jesus was a sinless person,( at least I believe this) this tantamount to saying that Adam was sinless and innocent.

If Jesus would have thought that Adam was a sinful person , then Jesus would have never said that he was Son of Man i.e., Son of Adam. What relation an innocent man had with a sinful person? Jesus would never have imagined that Adam was sinful that is why he took him as his father or grand father and announced it publicly.

Thanks

It seems that you are skirting the issue here. If Adam had not sinned, then why was he thrown out of the garden? If Adam had not sinned, then why did he repent of something he did not do? If Adam had not sinned, then why did he blame his spouse? If Adam had not sinned, why he need to be forgiven?

 

[Dancelittleewok]

Hi

We Ahmadi Muslims don’t think that Eden was a place in heaven where Adam and Eve were the first human being created. Adam was not the frist human created but he was the first remarkable/perfect person with whom GodAllahYHWH conversed directly. Men women existed before Adam as other animates and animals existed and evolved on earth. That does not mean that Adam evolved from an Ape, no, as an ape evolved from an ape, so man evolved from man.

Adam never sinned, he was a perfect man, yes he made a mistake, that is why it is said to err is human. Adam repented and asked forgiveness from GodAllahYHWH and He forgave him, nevertheless Adam had to shift from the place he was living in previously so that he was not harmed by the persons/tribes/(family tree of) people with whom he was forbidden to keep social contact with, so he had to move elsewhere alongwith his family.

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir, a natural and respectful death.

How can Adam whom you say is a perfect man make a mistake? If he truely was perfect, then he would not make mistake, his actions would be perfect.

 

[East_Anglican]

I think it is rather the Catholics who have a problem in understanding the Covenant correctly.

Catholics understand Covenant very well actually.

I will not presently quote from Quran, as the Catholics don’t believe in it ; so why quote from it?

From OTBible it starts first with the Noah:

Genesis 6
The Flood
[Paarsurrey:]
5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was

Muslims don’t believe The Bible, so why quote from it?

First Covenant was between Adam and Eve in Genesis 6

22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [a] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, ** ’
for she was taken out of man.”

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

Notice the mirror image of each other. Within a covenant there is alway a mirror image of each other. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son for God and God was willing to sacrifice his son for Abraham. Jesus is the son of God. he is Yeshau ben Elohim/Isa bin Allah.

Here’s a mirror imagein the covenant with Noah.

"If man sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;

The word man is the Hebrew ‘Adam’ Jesus is the second Adam. It was a surety that Adam would shed the blood of Adam and that by Adam, the second Adams blood would be shed. When God sent his son Jesus, the second Adam, it was a certianty that he would die for the sins of the world acording to Gods covenant with Noah.

If you don’t understand this, you don’t understand covenant.**

 

[Hellisreal]

East Anglican gave an excellent response, and I am going to only add my 2 cents on this as I felt it fitting, in regard to promises of God/ Allah

Hebrews 5:4

Then Psalm 110

Line 4

Keep reading Hebrews all the way- you may like 7

Genesis 14:18-19 is very good too

No other reference in the bible-

Priest of God most High

Read and pray.

may we all seek a better understanding together

In the name of Jesus Christ, I come in peace

Mother of us all, Mary may you let us know your Son

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Hi
Adam was not a sinner , he only made a mistake, he felt sorry for that and repented before GodAllahYHWH, and He accepted his repentance and forgave him; so Adam was as clean as before he was at the time of his birth.

This is like Jonah, who also made a mistake, accepted his mistake, repented before GodAllahYHWH, resolved not to do it again and he was also forgiven.

Jesus was more like Adam that is why he often used to say Son of Man, or Son of Adam , so if one believes that Jesus was a sinless person,( at least I believe this) this tantamount to saying that Adam was sinless and innocent.

If Jesus would have thought that Adam was a sinful person , then Jesus would have never said that he was Son of Man i.e., Son of Adam. What relation an innocent man had with a sinful person? Jesus would never have imagined that Adam was sinful that is why he took him as his father or grand father and announced it publicly.

Thanks

Adam was a disobedient piece of scum who is frying in the very lowest, stinkingest pit of Hell. Hitler killed a mere 110 million people - Adam killed the entire human race from his time to the end of the world: he’s a child abuser, murderer, traitor, poisoner, satanist, & genocidal maniac all at once, because he brought death to all his descendants: he is the arch-abortionist.​

 

[famdigy]

Adam was a disobedient piece of scum who is frying in the very lowest, stinkingest pit of Hell. Hitler killed a mere 110 million people - Adam killed the entire human race from his time to the end of the world: he’s a child abuser, murderer, traitor, poisoner, satanist, & genocidal maniac all at once, because he brought death to all his descendants: he is the arch-abortionist.​

:tsktsk: Is this what all Christians think of Prophet Adam (as) or is it the opinion of Catholics only.

 

[paarsurrey]

Adam was a disobedient piece of scum who is frying in the very lowest, stinkingest pit of Hell. Hitler killed a mere 110 million people - Adam killed the entire human race from his time to the end of the world: he’s a child abuser, murderer, traitor, poisoner, satanist, & genocidal maniac all at once, because he brought death to all his descendants: he is the arch-abortionist.​

Hi

I think such harsh words are not called for; polite words are always helpful for a peaceful discussion and understanding things.

Jesus called himself Son of Man; this Man is no one else except Adam. By saying that he is Son of Man, in a way Jesus has exonerated Adam. If Jesus is sinless, then Adam is also sinless as he was forgiven. If Adam is sinful, even if when he was forgiven, then what need Jesus had to pronounce himself as Son of Man.

Please be a Son of Man, and try to understand the real phenomenon.

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir

 

[Hellisreal]

Truth is harsh paarsurrey.

Dont even ask me what I would have said about Adam.

Hi

I think such harsh words are not called for; polite words are always helpful for a peaceful discussion and understanding things.

Jesus called himself Son of Man; this Man is no one else except Adam. By saying that he is Son of Man, in a way Jesus has exonerated Adam. If Jesus is sinless, then Adam is also sinless as he was forgiven. If Adam is sinful, even if when he was forgiven, then what need Jesus had to pronounce himself as Son of Man.

Please be a Son of Man, and try to understand the real phenomenon.

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir

 

[Hellisreal]

:tsktsk: Is this what all Christians think of Prophet Adam (as) or is it the opinion of Catholics only.

The opinion of reason and logic.

 

[paarsurrey]

Truth is harsh paarsurrey.
Dont even ask me what I would have said about Adam.

Hi

I though that since you had no valid reasonable arguments so you resorted to harsh words. I still think so as you have given no reasons. In a way, Jesus exonerated Adam, yet you are perhaps angry with Jesus.

Please bring out your reasonable arguments if you have any. I think you haven’t got one.

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir
The first and primary source on “Jesus was not killed on Cross” – but Jesus later died naturally in Kashmir, in India is the pristine Word of God revealed on the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi 1835-1908.
The Word of GodAllahYHWH is and had been the first/authentic and primary source of human knowledge whether revealed on Moses/Buddha/Jesus/Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; it is of itself a complete and without doubt and requires no external witnessing.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22. “But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”
Because of his righteousness, Jesus prayers were heard, and he was saved from getting a cursed killing on Cross.
Hebrews 5:7 (NIV)
7During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
St. Paul the Apostle spoke about Jesus killing on Cross in 1 Cor 15:
[17] If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
[18] Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. Unquote
Now, in my opinion, as you know that Jesus was not killed on Cross, so according to Paul, Catholic viewpoint is not proved; needs to be revised.

 

[Hellisreal]

Hiya

Where did Jesus (PBUH) give Adam this honor?

Citations?

Hi

I though that since you had no valid reasonable arguments so you resorted to harsh words. I still think so as you have given no reasons. In a way, Jesus exonerated Adam, yet you are perhaps angry with Jesus.

Please bring out your reasonable arguments if you have any. I think you haven’t got one.

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir
The first and primary source on “Jesus was not killed on Cross” – but Jesus later died naturally in Kashmir, in India is the pristine Word of God revealed on the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi 1835-1908.
The Word of GodAllahYHWH is and had been the first/authentic and primary source of human knowledge whether revealed on Moses/Buddha/Jesus/Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; it is of itself a complete and without doubt and requires no external witnessing.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22. “But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”
Because of his righteousness, Jesus prayers were heard, and he was saved from getting a cursed killing on Cross.
Hebrews 5:7 (NIV)
7During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
St. Paul the Apostle spoke about Jesus killing on Cross in 1 Cor 15:
[17] If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
[18] Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. Unquote
Now, in my opinion, as you know that Jesus was not killed on Cross, so according to Paul, Catholic viewpoint is not proved; needs to be revised.

 

[East_Anglican]

paarsurrey,

It’s quite simple. Jesus is the second Adam.

Adam fouled up for us all and Jesus restored us all.

Adam lost in The Garden of Eden Jesus won in The Garden of Gethsemene.

Adam had his side cut open to get a bride (Eve.) Jesus had a spear in his side to get a bride (The Church)

Adam fouled up by a tree and Jesus restored us by a tree.

Adam was a sinner. Jesus was tempted in everyway and yet remained without sin.