Adding more wars

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Doesn’t matter. Threads moving into other territory are moving into other territory.
 
Then challenge Yournamehere as to why he brought up the wall?
 
Moving into other territory, much like the U.S. Still maintaining a common theme here.
 
This is turning into a politics thread. No one here has access to all of the intelligence information possessed by the US and other countries. As far as I’m concerned, Russian intervention in the Ukraine has not been explained, except with a ‘down with Putin’ approach.
 
I’m not disagreeing with your anti-war sentiments, but I want to remind you and others
that here in Northern Illinois, many tens of thousands of good-paying, benefits-providing jobs are created by the demand for those tanks, planes, and ships.

Same is true for many of the flyover states that have a large number of factories. It’s not just giant corporations, either. We have several hundreds small factories in our city employing under 50 employees, and many of them get contracts from the “Military Industrial Complex.”

Again, not saying that war is good–certainly not. We should work and pray for peace throughout the world.

But it’s not just a crew of rich military bureaucrats that make money from war. A lot of regular folks make their living from it.

And while we’re on the subject, a lot of high school graduates make a decision to enter the military not only to serve their country, but to earn the benefits (college, housing loans, health care, etc.)…

Once again–last time–I’m not saying war is good. It’s not.
 
If it were only about building tanks, planes, and ships, it might be somewhat acceptable. But someone will have to be inside those tanks, planes, and ships. Those are people who have fathers, mothers, grandfathers, grandmothers, and other family members.
War should ALWAYS be a last resort. Not a first resort.
 
“The power of the State resides in its war powers.” JFK, the movie. Those people are not abstract things. My father was a World War II vet. He described being called to war like this: “When they call you go. You have nothing to say.” He was a patriot who was willing to defend his country at full risk to himself.

I’m seeing the ‘US is evil, war is evil (it is but not in times of necessity) and militarists are evil’ here. The fact is, the Vietnam vets I knew were willing to serve their country at full risk to themselves. That should be emphasized.
 
You are correct. Way back during the Vietnam era, I was naïve enough to think that this would be our last war. The war machine is persistent, however, and so long as they have the funding and the will, we are likely to continue having wars, most of which are needless and accomplish nothing, apart from their immorality.
 
edwest211 said:
“When they call you go. You have nothing to say.”
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No disrespect to your dad, but I’m not sure this is the healthiest attitude for a citizen to have (assuming he wasn’t in the standing military already.)
 
I do not doubt their patriotic heroism and sacrifice, but what was ultimately accomplished by the Vietnam War?
 
Not necessarily, but why was it worth fighting in Vietnam? What was gained or lost by this war?
 
A look at history shows this to be false and unsupported. To use some military-speak, force is projected to persuade an enemy not to attack. This was the idea behind Mutually Assured Destruction. Russia knew that we would attack them given certain circumstances.
 
Military accomplishments are far more quickly and easily observed than incremental improvements in living conditions - particularly as election time approaches. This assumes that the anti-poverty program is actually effective. We have decades of data to show that the “war” on poverty did nothing but increase poverty and lower demographics. Thus, social wars can be almost as wasteful and destructive as political wars.
 
Again, from the period, an explanation was given. Russia told the West that it would start wars to prevent American Imperialism from spreading. Our military told the American people they wanted to prevent a “domino effect” and see more countries go Communist.
 
I believe war is morally wrong except if we are under attack. The exception is probably World War II. Vietnam was a war that resulted in the needless deaths, maiming, as well as psychological disorders, of countless Americans and Vietnamese.
 
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Again, from the period, an explanation was given. Russia told the West that it would start wars to prevent American Imperialism from spreading. Our military told the American people they wanted to prevent a “domino effect” and see more countries go Communist.
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And global strategy aside, it would have been good in and of itself to prevent another country from being enslaved by communism.
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I believe war is morally wrong except if we are under attack. The exception is probably World War II.
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Why break that rule for WWII and not for, say, Korea? How much suffering could have been prevented by winning the war in Korea?

The Cold War’s proxy wars were not morally ambiguous struggles. The Kims were and are monsters. The Viet Cong were monsters. The Soviet leaders were monsters. We may not have been angels, but we were on the side of the angels. I’ve never been in the military, but if we were to find ourselves in another war with North Korea, I’d enlist on the spot to try to help free those people from the monsters who have had them enslaved, starved, and ground into dust for the last seventy years.
 
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