ADL Calls On Politicians To Refrain From Using Holocaust Imagery

[RomanCrusader]

Melanie:

So you find that the phrase"abortion holocaust" is offensive?

What about things like this, do you find them offensive?
“Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.”
" Mary was a whore: Jesus was an evil man"
“Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”.
Please note that these things can be found in the Talmud. Looks like someone is antagonizing Chrisitians!

So true! The Talmud is the most blasphemous book ever written. It also calls gentiles lower than animals.

 

[bones_IV]

I’m saying if Jews, and please remember Foxman doesn’t represent all Jews - there are many he does not represent and yet they TOO have an issue with the word - so if Jews, as a group, are offended by the use of the word ‘holocaust’ in connection with abortion because THEY think it takes away from their message, then I say ~ let them have the word. We can use another word. There are lots of words.

Abortion apologia!

We don’t have to go around the world offending people, hurting their feelings, to make a point. If “holocaust” offends someone, we can use another word.

Polically correct propaganda

We can be more creative. As other posters have clearly pointed out, if you use the word holocaust in its most purely defined sense, it doesn’t fit “abortion” because abortion doesn’t involve fire. I’ve been as guilty as anyone about this.

Are you saying that you are ashamed to be Christian?!

When I asked for my fellow Catholics to observe some charity in this case, I wasn’t asking anyone to endorse any sort of supremacism. I was asking everyone to look beyond polarizing figures such as Foxman and the ADL and look and some of the posters in this very forum who are Jewish and who are offended by the appropriation of the word “holocaust” to describe every sort of genocide.

I don’t think the victims of Darfur can say the same thing.

That THEY (that great word “they” covering so many but in this case in refers to Jews & not just Foxman & the ADL) are offended doesn’t have to make sense to us. Not everything in life has to make sense to us for us to show some sensitivity. And NO this is not a comment born of some “new age” clap trap. This is just common sense. Sometimes the best thing to do is to just keep still and if your mother or grandmother didn’t teach you that, well, it’s time to learn.

Is that right? Not what Grandmother taught me. Even she acknowledges that abortion is the worst holocaust in history. Even Father Pavone believes it. You’re putting yourself at odds with the Church.

I understand the words “go and baptize all nations”. That’s not at issue with what I am saying. I also understand that I AM my brother’s keeper. That’s why I came back here, after deleting my subscription to the thread to ask you to reconsider.

Sometimes we have to go beyond the headline. We don’t live in headlines, we live in the real world. If we decide to call abortion “genocide” instead of a “holocaust” it doesn’t make abortion any less than the murder it is. If that simple change of terms means that we Catholics don’t offend millions of Jews - NOT Foxman, NOT the ADL - but millions of ordinary people just like us, then what is the harm and what, if not for pure and simple stubbornness and a total absence of charity, is the getting in the way?

Because murder is murder! Those who are aborted do not even have the chance to vote, to be doctors lawyers. There’s a huge difference between being killed in the concentration camps like that of Auschwitz and being denied to walk on your own two feet! You’re ignoring the overwhelming evidence and living in denial.

Examine your conscience. I submit that your conscience, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, will tell you that it is not necessary to offend people who have suffered greatly in the past in order to be clear about your concerns about current problems. As Catholics, we’re lucky to have such an examination as a Sacrament. We can be thankful for that.

I don’t think the good Lord intended for us to follow our own conscience.

 

[bones_IV]

So true! The Talmud is the most blasphemous book ever written. It also calls gentiles lower than animals.

Indeed. There’s a reason why the Talmud was burned.

 

[RomanCrusader]

Look at this RABBI:

lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/06112107.html

Rabbi Levin calls gay “marriage” worse than the holocaust

hnn.us/blogs/entries/35984.html

Rabbi Levin says abortion has killed more than the holocaust

To quote RABBI Levin:

“Judaism has lost more Jews through the efforts of ““reform judaism”” than through Hitler’s gas ovens.”

“We need to combat the liberals-- unfortunately to my shock and shame, many Jewish liberals-who throw around the canard of anti-Semitism”

Rabbi Levin has no problem calling abortion a holocaust. He even goes as far as to call gay “marriage” a holocaust (which goes even farther than what Bones and I are saying)

 

[st_lucy]

Look at this RABBI:

lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/06112107.html

Rabbi Levin calls gay “marriage” worse than the holocaust

hnn.us/blogs/entries/35984.html

Rabbi Levin says abortion has killed more than the holocaust

To quote RABBI Levin:

“Judaism has lost more Jews through the efforts of ““reform judaism”” than through Hitler’s gas ovens.”

“We need to combat the liberals-- unfortunately to my shock and shame, many Jewish liberals-who throw around the canard of anti-Semitism”

Rabbi Levin has no problem calling abortion a holocaust. He even goes as far as to call gay “marriage” a holocaust (which goes even farther than what Bones and I are saying)

Thank you for posting this. When I wrote earlier about the word Holocaust I was accused of being anti-Semitic and a raciest even thought those who stated such have no idea of who I am.

There are so many groups of people who have been persecuted and yet we as whole are only allowed to look at the the Holocaust of the Jews alone. When we don’t call a spade a spade we are leaving the door wide open to calling anything we want and unfortunately the pro-abortionist take that open door and run with it and call it anything but what it is a Holocaust. I hope that those who stand firm with PC police will wake up some day and see the evil of not calling abortion what it is.

 

[Richardols]

Melanie:

So you find that the phrase"abortion holocaust" is offensive?

What about things like this, do you find them offensive?“Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.”

" Mary was a whore: Jesus was an evil man"

“Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”.Please note that these things can be found in the Talmud. Looks like someone is antagonizing Chrisitians!

Please show where these are in the Talmud before disseminating what is otherwise blatant anti-semitism.

 

[Richardols]

So true! The Talmud is the most blasphemous book ever written. It also calls gentiles lower than animals.

Please show where these are in the Talmud before disseminating what is otherwise blatant anti-semitism.

 

[Richardols]

I’m take an Orthodox Rabbi like Yehuda Levin over some money-grubbing atheist Jew like Foxman any day of the week.

This is blatantly anti-semitic.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Please show where these are in the Talmud before disseminating what is otherwise blatant anti-semitism.

Blatant anti-semtism? what about blatant anti-Catholicism, or is that ok?
(Yebamoth 49b, p.324).
(Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).
(Shabbath 104b, p.504).

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

This is blatantly anti-semitic.

is saying abortion holocaust also anti-semitic? Is saying that Nazi holocaust did not just kill jews anti-semitic?

 

[Richardols]

Blatant anti-semtism? what about blatant anti-Catholicism, or is that ok?
(Yebamoth 49b, p.324).
(Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).
(Shabbath 104b, p.504).

Why would you even think that attacking any religion is “ok”? And, keep in mind that the Talmud is only commentary, it is not part of the Bible.

Catholics have been far, far more anti-semitic in word and deed over the centuries than the opposite. Christians have killed Jews for practicing their faith, have forced them into ghettos, have restricted how Jews could make a living, and have contributed to a centuries long hateful atmosphere that promoted prejudice, pogroms and the Holocaust. It is utter hypocrisy for any Catholic to think that we in any way have clean hands when it comes to relations with the Jews.

 

[Richardols]

is saying abortion holocaust also anti-semitic? Is saying that Nazi holocaust did not just kill jews anti-semitic?

Read all the posts that MelenieAnne has posted. She explained much better than anyone how Christian charity should motivate us in using the term Holocaust.

 

[bones_IV]

Why would you even think that attacking any religion is “ok”? And, keep in mind that the Talmud is only commentary, it is not part of the Bible.

So according to your logic we should deny the divinity of Christ.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Read all the posts that MelenieAnne has posted. She explained much better than anyone how Christian charity should motivate us in using the term Holocaust.

That is her opinion, and one that I do not agree with.
I have no problem using the term holocaust to describe abortions as the term fits perfectly!

 

[Richardols]

So according to your logic we should deny the divinity of Christ.

What sort of “logic” are YOU using?

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Why would you even think that attacking any religion is “ok”? And, keep in mind that the Talmud is only commentary, it is not part of the Bible.

Who is attacking a religion? Not I. I am just poinitng out at your request what is taught to a faith regarding our Lord and Savior! Do you find the things that they say about him acceptable?

Catholics have been far, far more anti-semitic in word and deed over the centuries than the opposite.

Your point? Are you saying that it is ok for them to say these things about our Lord?

Christians have killed Jews for practicing their faith, have forced them into ghettos, have restricted how Jews could make a living, and have contributed to a centuries long hateful atmosphere that promoted prejudice, pogroms and the Holocaust.

What is your point? The Nazi’s also did this to many other people who were not Jewish, shall we forget that fact too?

It is utter hypocrisy for any Catholic to think that we in any way have clean hands when it comes to relations with the Jews.

So that makes it all right?

Since when did two wrongs make a right???

 

[Richardols]

That is her opinion, and one that I do not agree with.
I have no problem using the term holocaust to describe abortions as the term fits perfectly!

She was calling for charity. You disagree with that?

BTW, as this seems to be opinion time, it’s my opinion that the term Holocaust should never be used to describe abortion.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

She was calling for charity. You disagree with that?

Not at all be charitable, I am not denying that millions of jews where murdered and they where singled out as some other groups where during this time for eradication.

I do not find it uncharitable to use the word to describe abortion!

BTW, as this seems to be opinion time, it’s my opinion that the term Holocaust should never be used to describe abortion.

Of course

 

[Richardols]

Who is attacking a religion? Not I. I am just poinitng out at your request what is taught to a faith regarding our Lord and Savior! Do you find the things that they say about him acceptable?

Do you even know how the Talmud is used? It has many contradictory opinions and is not used as some sort of infallible teaching tool. I’d be surprised if any Jews are even aware of the citiations you gave.

Your point? Are you saying that it is ok for them to say these things about our Lord?

Are you saying that it was okay for the Catholics to say what they’ve said over the centuries about the Jews?

What is your point? The Nazi’s also did this to many other people who were not Jewish, shall we forget that fact too?

The others like the Poles, who lost 3 million Christians to German death camps, do not use the equivalent word for Holocaust to describe their experience. And that WAS part of the “Holocaust.”

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Do you even know how the Talmud is used? It has many contradictory opinions and is not used as some sort of infallible teaching tool. I’d be surprised if any Jews are even aware of the citiations you gave.

Then get rid of the offending citations

Are you saying that it was okay for the Catholics to say what they’ve said over the centuries about the Jews?

Not at all. But what does that have to do with using the term holocaust to perfectly describe aboritons?

The others like the Poles, who lost 3 million Christians to German death camps, do not use the equivalent word for Holocaust to describe their experience. And that WAS part of the “Holocaust.”

But more children have been murdered by abortions than by the Nazi’s Richard so it is a perfect example of a holocaust!
The more I look at my lovely dictionary the term “genocide” (The deliberate and systematic destruction of an entire people who belong to one racial, political, cultural or religious group) would better fit what occured during WWII but that would never be allowed to be used becuase then the Jewish people would not have their “own” word to describe what happened to them! But to say that the term holocaust can only be used in ref. to Jewish deaths during WWII is also silly, IMHO!

Sorry but I am tired of being PC!