ADL List of "top issues affecting Jews" includes traditional Catholic prayer!

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Jesus gave us directives to pass onto generatios.

He said to "Preach the Gospel to all nations baptizing them , “In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

He also warned, “…whosever denies Me before men; I will deny him before the Father.”

To allow the ADL to go on denigrating the Savior publicly and loudly and frequently must NOT be “tolerated” by not challenging them. ADL must be challenged EVERY TIME they try to suppress Christianity.

ADL got away unchallenged far too often…it is time to confront them in CHARITY but NOT in weakness.:knight1:
 
edwest2 said:
Oh brother. My message is: Church authorities are in a position to address this, not individual Catholics.

As far as tolerance goes, let me take a moment here to review:

“OH please, please, let those poor women have abortions so they don’t have to die in back alley, coat hanger abortions! Oh please!”

“Oh please, tolerate gay marriage because well, just tolerate it, they are not hurting anyone!”

I voted against gay marriage. No, I’ve realized that tolerance is a one-way street. But are you going to accuse people first and ask questions later? That’s right, the Church is in a position to evaluate all problems and to act. And Pope Benedict has been doing a very good job in identifying problems and informing the faithful. In the meantime, I have to make sure to remove the plank from my own eye before I make accusations toward anyone.

God bless,
Ed
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To the left these days, “tolerance” actually means “acceptance” and it definitely is a “one way street”. The Left demands we “tolerate” (i.e. accept) their immorality to the point we have to actively participate in the immorality. Guess what, it ain’t gonna happen.
 
WanderAimlessly said:
To the left these days, “tolerance” actually means “acceptance” and it definitely is a “one way street”. The Left demands we “tolerate” (i.e. accept) their immorality to the point we have to actively participate in the immorality. Guess what, it ain’t gonna happen.
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Indeed. I don’t think people understand how bad Christianity as an organization really was. The Church is holy in it’s teachings, holy in it’s sacraments yes, but sinful in it’s members. Not to mention the anti-semitic persecutions carried out by the fascists governments in predominantly Catholic countries like Austria for example.
 
How many non-Jews ended up in concentration camps for helping to hide them? I am 100% for encouraging other Catholics to take what they learn and hear in church out into the world. Jesus taught in the synagogues but He also spent a lot of time with the people in the streets and highways and byways. He came to them and healed and instructed them one on one.

Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities and evil in high places. I blame the media for allowing itself to be used as a way to market evil to every age group. I blame the porn industry for pushing its addictive product, even to the point of putting less explicit types on supermarket store shelves. Yes, it is time to act as individuals.

Every group wants to survive and every group will complain about perceived threats to its survival, including the ADL. But no form of ‘in your face’ action would be Christ-like. Let them sit down with the proper authorities in the Catholic Church who can address their concerns and come to an understanding. I personally know of no Catholics who would harm anyone.

God bless,
Ed
 
bones_IV said:
Indeed. I don’t think people understand how bad Christianity as an organization really was. The Church is holy in it’s teachings, holy in it’s sacraments yes, but sinful in it’s members. Not to mention the anti-semitic persecutions carried out by the fascists governments in predominantly Catholic countries like Austria for example.
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When you say “Fascist Austria” are you referring to Austria under Engelbert Dollfuss? Because I can assure you Dollfuss was not a persecutor of the Jews.
 
RomanCrusader said:
When you say “Fascist Austria” are you referring to Austria under Engelbert Dollfuss? Because I can assure you Dollfuss was not a persecutor of the Jews.
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I’m saying that there was an anti-semitic attitude in Austria towards the Jews. Not to mention there were clergy involved in politics over there at that time. Shameful. The union of Church and state was never a happy one.
 
RomanCrusader said:
When you say “Fascist Austria” are you referring to Austria under Engelbert Dollfuss? Because I can assure you Dollfuss was not a persecutor of the Jews.
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The left has tricked most of us who went through public school that any organized force or individual that ever opposed communism or liberalism was “fascist”.

Look at the demonization of Franco and the Falangists. What they didn’t tell you was that Franco was the only thing keeping anarchists and communists and other murderers from taking over the whole Iberian peninsula and it was Franco that protected the Church from those “freedom fighters” who shoved rosary beads down nun’s ears for sport.

Oh but no, Franco was a monster. Keep baaing good sheep. Baah, Franco baaaaad.
 
mschrank said:
The left has tricked most of us who went through public school that any organized force or individual that ever opposed communism or liberalism was “fascist”.

Look at the demonization of Franco and the Falangists. What they didn’t tell you was that Franco was the only thing keeping anarchists and communists and other murderers from taking over the whole Iberian peninsula and it was Franco that protected the Church from those “freedom fighters” who shoved rosary beads down nun’s ears for sport.

Oh but no, Franco was a monster. Keep baaing good sheep. Baah, Franco baaaaad.
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This could explain why so many people in traditionally Catholic countries have a love hate/relationship w/ the Church. And why many people never set foot in a Church again. The Church in early 20th century Europe was pretty much for the aristocracy and the rural population. And the failure to reach out to the poor. Amazing how the Fascists took Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum and just ran with it. I think Mussolini’s statement about Pius XI after the pope’s death speaks volumes about the Fascists attitude towards the Papacy. I’m kind of paraphrasing if you will, for he said, “I’m glad that stubborn man is dead.” Cardinal Pacelli actually grilled Cardinal Innitzer for supporting Hitler. The union of Church and state either turns into a Communist one, as in the case of Russia, with the state controlling the Church. Or Fascism, where the Church controls the state.
 
Why do non-Catholics spend so much time thinking about what the Catholic Church thinks or says about them? The Talmud says some pretty insulting stuff about Jesus, but I don’t spend all my time obsessing about it. :confused:
 
lucybeebee said:
Why do non-Catholics spend so much time thinking about what the Catholic Church thinks or says about them? The Talmud says some pretty insulting stuff about Jesus, but I don’t spend all my time obsessing about it. :confused:
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Because we humor them with our Christian Guilt Complex™.
 
mschrank said:
The left has tricked most of us who went through public school that any organized force or individual that ever opposed communism or liberalism was “fascist”.

Look at the demonization of Franco and the Falangists. What they didn’t tell you was that Franco was the only thing keeping anarchists and communists and other murderers from taking over the whole Iberian peninsula and it was Franco that protected the Church from those “freedom fighters” who shoved rosary beads down nun’s ears for sport.

Oh but no, Franco was a monster. Keep baaing good sheep. Baah, Franco baaaaad.
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Amen! So many great and heroic men (Francisco Franco, Antonio Salazar, Engelbert Dollfuss, Ngo Dinh Diem, Fulgencio Batista) have been villified by the liberal media as “fascist” simply because they opposed the communist menace.

Francisco Franco and his falange were the best thing that ever happened to Spain (besides Queen Isabella). Before Franco saved Spain, the communistic Republicans were doing this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_-_Spain
 
A peaceful, stable and especially, a content society is Biblical. But for some people, it is a problem. It is not enough that they can do whatever they want with anyone at any time. No, agitating the people is their mission, causing divisiveness is fun to them.

Look at this book:

amazon.com/How-Left-Was-Depth-Methodologies/dp/0978642384/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198781065&sr=8-1

Causing strife and convincing people to hate each other. How terrible. How sad. It is not enough that other people do what they want, they want you to be just like them. But what they want is not peace.

God help them,
Ed
 
Wasn’t there a communist contingent here in the U.S. called themselves “The Abraham Lincoln Brigade” that went to Spain in force of numbers to takeover Spain but were stopped by none other than Generalissimo Franco?

I’ll always remember a documentary program hosted by Mike Wallace a decade or so ago whereby films from historical archives showed Franco at the presidential square in Madrid stretching out his arms in embrace of the Spaniards below his balcony.

They were shoulder-to-shoulder waving white handkerchiefs in celebration of defeating the communists. I remember my thoughts on the throngs of people were so vast it seemed like a physical hazard…there were thousands,…,thousands…thousands outpouring love for this great Catholic man

And yet, Mike Wallace was doing the "voice over: describing the event and said something like : “Although Spain was victorious Franco was most unpopular…”

I thought to myself, "How does Mike Wallace get the gall to contradict what we, the TV audience, were watching with such an outrageous statement of Franco being “unpopular.” All the while we are seeing masses of people waving affection to Franco.

From that moment I realized some journalists think they can say to his audience “we are standing in a vast forest–but there are no trees…” The egocentrism of some like Mike Wallace is beyond distortion. It is numbing.

ADL reminds me of that occasion…totally fallacious.
 
I just noticed the slick way that politics have been substituted for religion here. The initial post was all about religion and the way to address religious differences, not political. A man can be a flaming liberal in most areas and a faithful Catholic, or a conservative commie-fighter and a heathen. The two have nothing to so with each other.
 
mschrank said:
How?
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Dorothy Day was very radically politically, but very traditional in her Catholicism. She was disappointed by many of the liturgical effects attributed to Vatican II and disliked the moral libertinism of the “Sexual Revolution.” The problem is that many of the “cultural” issues being discussed these days in the political arena were not an issue in the past, because it would have been an afront to common sense. If you could go back in time 50 or 60 years and ask the average person, be they black, white, Hispanic, Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish, if same-sex “marriage” should be legalized or whether abortion should be legal, they would have thought you were crazy.
 
The media helps people focus on the things that really don’t matter, like Britney, Jen, Brad, etc.

Unfortunately, history does repeat itself. Politics means actual action and is not a theoretical concept. About Mike Wallace: let me just say the Communists were noted for staging “spontaneous” demonstrations to convince those who were not yet with them that other people were.

God bless,
Ed
 
The SBC wanted to come to Chicago to witness to the Hindus. It was Cardinal George who argued that to target one religious group for conversion was wrong. He even wrote a letter kindly asking them not to come because they might upset the peace that by and large exists among the religious groupings in Chicago.

I see the prayers for the conversion of the Jews in the same context. It is targeting one group of infidels with conversion, which in the context of Judaism involves issues of assimilation and the death of the entire culture.

It also invokes long memories of pograms by Christians against Jews, in Poland, Russia, Austria, Spain… True, most of these were more political than theological, but they were always dressed up in Church colors.

I don’t see why a prayer for the conversion of the Jews could not be substituted with a prayer for the conversion of all infidels.
 
a_cermak said:
The SBC wanted to come to Chicago to witness to the Hindus. It was Cardinal George who argued that to target one religious group for conversion was wrong. He even wrote a letter kindly asking them not to come because they might upset the peace that by and large exists among the religious groupings in Chicago.

I see the prayers for the conversion of the Jews in the same context. It is targeting one group of infidels with conversion, which in the context of Judaism involves issues of assimilation and the death of the entire culture. **Is it a religion or a culture or both? Last I checked you can still be a Jew (cultural) and be of another religion. **

It also invokes long memories of pograms by Christians against Jews, in Poland, Russia, Austria, Spain… True, most of these were more political than theological, but they were always dressed up in Church colors.

I don’t see why a prayer for the conversion of the Jews could not be substituted with a prayer for the conversion of all infidels.
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I am sorry, but “why” should the Jews worry about or prayers or what/whom we pray for??
Do we tell them to take out the offensive things that are in the Torah about Jesus?
Perhaps the ADL will take up this cause for us Catholics?!
 
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