Admitting children of same-sex couples to Catholic elementary schools

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Felra,

First, my apologies to Gloria if she or anyone else perceives me as “slapping” any “pathology” on her. I do think the trend is way overboard, but you have pointed out to me that it is her right to do so even if it annoys me. 😉 I am not pushing any “agenda,” it just irritates me to see so many polls lately that seem to be highly self-righteous and extremely similar in nature. Again, that is my opinion.

I have actually wondered why these threads bother me so much. There is no real reason that comes to mind. I do have a few “gay” friends, but…I don’t feel any huge need to defend them. Nor was I raised by gay parents, I had very traditional and loving Catholic parents. All of my siblings are heterosexual, my best friends are heterosexual, etc.

I have, however, worked with children of homosexuals, drug addicts, prostitutes, murderers, etc in a behavioral therapy setting and I see the roots of rejection and isolation and ostracization that occurs when they are labeled for the actions of their parents. I think it just resonates within me to a very deep degree when I see how self-destructive these children and teenagers become in their desperate quest for approval and a place to belong. It saddens me to almost unimaginable extents when I think of a child being turned away from Catholic school and in turn, possibly poisoning them from the truth due to their experience with the rejection.

I realize that the true responsibility lies within the parents who create the actual scandal, but I can’t get over the hurdle of how damaging it is to little souls when they aren’t allowed sacraments or a Catholic community in which to be nurtured and loved.

It just breaks my heart for them.

I am sorry, Gloria, for being uncharitable with you. I don’t blame Gianna for what she said about me perhaps having a different opinion when I have children of my own someday, either. I very well might have a different opinion by then. However, I don’t plan on messing with Catholic schools, as my own experience with them is that they are completely substandard. I hope to homeschool my own future children, as a previous poster also mentioned wanting to do.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.
 

I am not pushing any “agenda,” it just irritates me to see so many polls lately that seem to be highly self-righteous and extremely similar in nature. Again, that is my opinion.​

Yes, there is way too much self rightiousness on this forum lately. It appears as of late people believe being “religious” means putting another down and feeling holier than thou.
I thought it was especially “charitable” when a religious person put the word “wife” in quotes because according to the church they weren’t married, according to the law though they were. I think these extra insults are just soooo “Christian”.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

I am not pushing any “agenda,” it just irritates me to see so many polls lately that seem to be highly self-righteous and extremely similar in nature. Again, that is my opinion.​

Yes, there is way too much self rightiousness on this forum lately. It appears as of late people believe being “religious” means putting another down and feeling holier than thou.
I thought it was especially “charitable” when a religious person put the word “wife” in quotes because according to the church they weren’t married, according to the law though they were. I think these extra insults are just soooo “Christian”.
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Well according to St Thomas unjust laws are no laws at all. Instead of putting “wife” in quotes, one can say “putative wife” or simply say “wife” without the quotes as long as one does not mislead someone about the truth of the matter as regards the invalidity of the putative marriage. The Church has a law too btw.
 

The Churche’s Laws don’t govern the law in the country I live in so I am more concerned with the laws where I live.​

Well according to St Thomas unjust laws are no laws at all​

You know what opinions are like…By the way being rude and putting people down in the name of some “truth” doesn’t sound alike “truth” to me.
 
This has been debated time and time and time again. Gloria, just pull your kids out of this school if it’s causing you so much grief. I appreciate that you are so dedicated to your cause, but the emotional turmoil you and your children are going through hardly seems worth it.
 
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vegpotter:
This has been debated time and time and time again. Gloria, just pull your kids out of this school if it’s causing you so much grief. I appreciate that you are so dedicated to your cause, but the emotional turmoil you and your children are going through hardly seems worth it.
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I don’t want to put words in Gloria’s mouth but Catholics have to speak out when they see problems/failures of leadership/etc. We can no longer assume that Church leaders, politicians, etc. will do the right thing.

Are you saying we should only strive for something if it’s easy?
 
When the school admits the children of alcoholics, is that an endorsement of alcoholism? or the children of child abusers, an endorsement of child abuse? Obviously not, so admitting the children of practicing homosexuals is not an endorsement of homosexuality.

It is, however, a very bad idea. It is pointless for Catholic schools to admit the children of people who live in open opposition to the teachings of the Catholic faith. Any teaching the children received in school would be negated by the teaching (actions speak louder than words) they received at home.
 
I voted “yes” but with a great deal of hesitancy. I think there would need to be a firm understanding that the school viewed the situation a totally messed-up morally and that the “parents” (significant adult overseer?) not be allowed on campus. It should also be understood that the teaching of the Church on the subject would not be filtered for the sake of that one child.I think in particular the type of situation it might work in would be where a solid Catholic grandparent was a primary caregiver and exerted a lot of influence in the life of the child.
 
Children have absolutely no control over their living arrangements.

Children who have reached the age of reason, which is age 6 or 7,
have a right to be baptized and receive the sacraments.

Any child over the age of reason can request that he be instructed in the Catholic Faith. And the parish priest has an obligation to make sure is instructed accurately and completely.

Any child over the age of reason can request that he be baptized, and the priest must see that he is given religious instruction and is baptized.

Many adults have been converted to the Catholic Religion by children.
 
Why punish innocent children over a situation they have no control over? I wouldn’t want to ahve to stand at the throne of judgement someday and have to explain THAT one.

And if you REALLY think being with gay parents ls living in a den of iniquity, wouldn’ t a school jump at the chance of bringing them into a better environment during the school day?
 
Should the school also admit the adopted children of a NAMBLA couple who are using the children for sex? Yes, the school would be a better environment for them. But shouldn’t the school also be concerned about removing the children from that home environment?

My point is that children who find themselves in a family situation that is abusive–and children living in a gay environment are indeed in that situation–need more than just to be admitted to a Catholic school. They need a different home.
 
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SweetPea:
And if you REALLY think being with gay parents ls living in a den of iniquity,
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Homosexuality is sin and therefore iniquity. The den of iniquity is where they have the television.
 
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JimG:
Should the school also admit the adopted children of a NAMBLA couple who are using the children for sex? Yes, the school would be a better environment for them. But shouldn’t the school also be concerned about removing the children from that home environment?

My point is that children who find themselves in a family situation that is abusive–and children living in a gay environment are indeed in that situation–need more than just to be admitted to a Catholic school. They need a different home.
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Using the word “abusive” to describe the family situation for children living with gay parents is not fair–just because the parents are homosexual does not necessarily mean they are abusive parents. If you did not grow up in a home with a homosexual parent(s) then how would you know if such an environment is abusive??
 
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NightRider:
Using the word “abusive” to describe the family situation for children living with gay parents is not fair–just because the parents are homosexual does not necessarily mean they are abusive parents. If you did not grow up in a home with a homosexual parent(s) then how would you know if such an environment is abusive??
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Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
 
Let me use this analogy. If children are living in a home with one alcoholic–and still drinking–parent, it is a bad situation. The chiildren can be helped by such support groups as Al-A-Teen, and Al-Anon, as well as other supportive friends, to detach themselves from the destructive behaviour of the parent

But if children are living in a home in which BOTH parents are alcoholic and still drinking, they should be placed in a different home.
 
I think it is interesting that people in this forum are using politically loaded words like “exclude” to describe the sentiments of Catholic parents who are lamenting the fact that a homosexual union is getting official recognition at a Catholic school.

Whatever the politically correct may fantasize, such unions are not only incompatible with Catholicism (and Gospel principles), but also cause grave scandal.

Moreover, the glittering circle of support from dissenting Catholics inside and outside the parish school in question should alarm people who are concerned about the good of souls as opposed to whether or not Catholicism is “exclusive”.

Nobody is excluded from the Church except by his or her own lifestyle choices.

There really would be no need to exclude the children obtained by means frowned upon by the Church in order to bolster the fantasy that such unions are familial in nature if the authentic teachings of the Church on matters like these were taught in this Catholic school and others.

If the Faith was actually being taught, it is doubtful that liberal homosexual Catholic men living in a pseudo-marital union, wearing wedding rings, and adopting children while belonging to a group that advocates the recognition of homosexual unions as being equal in dignity to that of the sacrament of matrimony would be interested in placing the children they have adopted into such a school. The reason being that the children would be taught (sooner or later) that their legal guardians were living a lifestyle that is completely incompatible with the teachings of Christ.

The fantasy of inclusiveness is being used as a smokescreen to promote an agenda that is detrimental to both society and individual souls. Meanwhile, Casper Milquetoast Catholics are standing around acting like their hands are tied because of what the children of this world will say about inclusiveness instead of standing up to be counted with Christ.

The fantasy of inclusiveness may warm people now. It might make them feel all fuzzy and nice, but meanwhile souls are led astray and the power of the faith is diminished by Catholics who are unwilling to give an authentic Christian witness because they are caught in the snare of human respect.

The fantasy that this is the way things should be will keep those who hold it feeling comfortable as long as they live in this life, but then they will wake to very different reality where they will learn that they were obstacles to Christ’s gospel and had lost out on countless graces throughout their lives by choosing to cast lots with the world. Hopefully they will have been invincibly ignorant so they will not be in danger of hell. Otherwise, the fantasy that kept them warm in this life will keep them quite hot for all eternity. If they were vincibly ignorant, perhaps they might be able to squeak by, but at the price of temporal punishment in purgatory.

What a risk to take with one’s eternity over such silly consolations as the respect of the children of a world that is passing away!
 
Michael T:

Just because a Catholic school admits a child or children of homosexual parents it does not mean that said school is giving “official recognition” to homosexual parents. Actually, that school is giving recognition to people as people, not as sexual entities. I commend that school for doing so.
 
Nobody is excluded from the Church except by his or her own lifestyle choices.
Ok let’s see. “Lifestyle Choices” — hmmmmm

Let’s exclude:
  1. Married parents who use birth control.
  2. Any families who have only 1 or 2 children. They may be using birth control.
  3. Unmarried parents who use birth control.
  4. Single parents, because they are probably having sex and using birth control
  5. Single parents who appear to be living in a same sex household. (They are most likely gay and closeted.) If it walks, talks, and quacks like a duck…
 
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