Admitting children of same-sex couples to Catholic elementary schools

[Bella3502]

fix:

Prudence is needed. Open homosexual conduct is a scandal. That is not subjective. Two men acting as husband and wife and adopting children and parading as a legitimate family is a scandal.

Telling folks who are authentically angered by such nonsense that they are shunning someone is uncalled for and not accurate.

Sorry, it is accurate – shunning children in any manner because of a “perception” of their parents or family is just wrong and I don’t care if they are hetero or homosexual.

 

[fix]

Bella3502:

Sorry, it is accurate – shunning children in any manner because of a “perception” of their parents or family is just wrong and I don’t care if they are hetero or homosexual.

No one is shunning any children. This must be put in perspective. The first problem is that homosexuals should never be allowed to raise children. Unfortunately, they are allowed to at this point. The next problem is how to be shield our own children from this scandal without further traumatizing the children in the care of these homosexuals.

 

[felra]

Bella3502:

Sorry, it is accurate – shunning children in any manner because of a “perception” of their parents or family is just wrong and I don’t care if they are hetero or homosexual.

This is the “little lie” rationale basis behind the “big lie” that seeks to normalize and accept and mainstream the homosexual/gay lifestyle and to grant and afford all the rights as a traditional family. Nobody should be targeting the children for abuse. Nobody should be compromising the truth for a lie.

 

[fix]

felra:

This is the “little lie” rationale basis behind the “big lie” that seeks to normalize and accept and mainstream the homosexual/gay lifestyle and to grant and afford all the rights as a traditional family. Nobody should be targeting the children for abuse. Nobody should be compromising the truth for a lie.

Right. It is a concerted agenda. First they “adopt” children, then infiltrate Catholic schools, then use the system to cudgel orthodox Catholics and cry shunning. It is really transparent. What is so confounding to me is that so many can’t make the distinction between scandal and how to react to scandal. It is a loss of the sense of the immortal.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

felra:

This is the “little lie” rationale basis behind the “big lie” that seeks to normalize and accept and mainstream the homosexual/gay lifestyle and to grant and afford all the rights as a traditional family. Nobody should be targeting the children for abuse. Nobody should be compromising the truth for a lie.

fix:

Right. It is a concerted agenda. First they “adopt” children, then infiltrate Catholic schools, then use the system to cudgel orthodox Catholics and cry shunning. It is really transparent. What is so confounding to me is that so many can’t make the distinction between scandal and how to react to scandal. It is a loss of the sense of the immortal.

The perfect way to sneak in the Trojan Horse

 

[kaymart]

Of course little children should never be hurt but when their parents live a certain lifestyle openly, whetever they are gay, or a man and woman living together, or single or even married parent who lives a scandulous life, such things should be adressed. When we turn our backs and allow such behavior and keep quiet, we are in a sense saying such lifestyles are acceptable. Again I would never say anything to the child but the parents must be told the truth why their child is not accepted. Maybe they will get the hint. To many times we back down to the “PC” police and ACLU and others like them. :banghead:

 

[Bella3502]

fix:

No one is shunning any children. This must be put in perspective. The first problem is that homosexuals should never be allowed to raise children. Unfortunately, they are allowed to at this point. The next problem is how to be shield our own children from this scandal without further traumatizing the children in the care of these homosexuals.

What perspective are you referring to? Homosexuals raise children everyday. Do you really think that they only adopt children? The ones in our parish had them naturally. Are you proposing that they be taken away? Is this your solution? This is still America. You can’t do that-thank God.

How many of these TRAUMATIZED children do you personally know? None, I’ll bet.

But I do know some that are in this situation, and they are just as normal as anyone else’s children. And they are in church EVERY Sunday.

Your perception is not based in reality.

 

[felra]

Bella3502:

What perspective are you referring to? Homosexuals raise children everyday. Do you really think that they only adopt children? The ones in our parish had them naturally. Are you proposing that they be taken away? Is this your solution? This is still America. You can’t do that-thank God.

How many of these TRAUMATIZED children do you personally know? None, I’ll bet.

But I do know some that are in this situation, and they are just as normal as anyone else’s children. And they are in church EVERY Sunday.

Your perception is not based in reality.

If I am understanding your above statement correctly, you have “homosexuals” in your parish raising their biological children? Besides the biological/matrimony logistics of this statement, how is this “phenomenon” just as “normal as anyone else’s children”? What reality are you referring to here?

 

[Lilyofthevalley]

Originally Posted by fix
Right. It is a concerted agenda. First they “adopt” children, then infiltrate Catholic schools, then use the system to cudgel orthodox Catholics and cry shunning. It is really transparent. What is so confounding to me is that so many can’t make the distinction between scandal and how to react to scandal. It is a loss of the sense of the immortal.​

The perfect way to sneak in the Trojan Horse​

That sounds like utter paranoia.

 

[felra]

Lilyofthevalley:

Originally Posted by fix
Right. It is a concerted agenda. First they “adopt” children, then infiltrate Catholic schools, then use the system to cudgel orthodox Catholics and cry shunning. It is really transparent. What is so confounding to me is that so many can’t make the distinction between scandal and how to react to scandal. It is a loss of the sense of the immortal.​

The perfect way to sneak in the Trojan Horse​

That sounds like utter paranoia.

Have you not heard of the frog in a bucket of water story? Slowly the water temperature is turned up and unbeknownst to the frog he is getting nearer to cooking temperature, all the while thinking things are okay, and not until it is too late to jump out, opps!, someone is enjoying frog legs for dinner.

Fix and GloriaPatri4 sound like prudence, proactive and cooperating with Providence to me.

 

[pnewton]

felra:

Have you not heard of the frog in a bucket of water story? Slowly the water temperature is turned up and unbeknownst to the frog he is getting nearer to cooking temperature, all the while thinking things are okay, and not until it is too late to jump out, opps!, someone is enjoying frog legs for dinner.

The difference is that people are not frogs and the truth definitely is not subject to this sort of manipulation. I see the prudence in denying such children entrance to the school, but I also think it is very possible to allow them to attend and still hold tight that homosexuality is gravely disordered and a mortal sin. In such either case I would not allow a homosexual couple on campus, period. That would be the price of admission.

Also, I prefer my frog legs fried, not boiled.

 

[fix]

Bella3502:

What perspective are you referring to? Homosexuals raise children everyday. Do you really think that they only adopt children? The ones in our parish had them naturally. Are you proposing that they be taken away? Is this your solution? This is still America. You can’t do that-thank God.

How many of these TRAUMATIZED children do you personally know? None, I’ll bet.

But I do know some that are in this situation, and they are just as normal as anyone else’s children. And they are in church EVERY Sunday.

Your perception is not based in reality.

They are not having children in any *natural *way. Yes, they should be removed. The Vatican has said allowing homosexuals to raise children is moral violence.

The trauma of being raised in such a confused and immoral environment is so shocking that I cannot believe anyone would accept such things.

I know many open homosexuals. Why would that make any difference in forming a proper conclusion as to the licitness of any moral act?

 

[fix]

Lilyofthevalley:

That sounds like utter paranoia.

Not paranoia, but truth. Truth and well formed consciences are often in short supply these days.

 

[fix]

felra:

If I am understanding your above statement correctly, you have “homosexuals” in your parish raising their biological children? Besides the biological/matrimony logistics of this statement, how is this “phenomenon” just as “normal as anyone else’s children”? What reality are you referring to here?

I am not speaking about any poster here, but in general our culture can’t see what is true. It is all relative. Truth is hard to see when we have dulled consciences and darkened intellects. The biggest problem, imo, is that to see the truth would mean changing the way we lead our lives. Few want to accept fidelity to the Truth.

 

[felra]

fix:

I am not speaking about any poster here, but in general our culture can’t see what is true. It is all relative. Truth is hard to see when we have dulled consciences and darkened intellects. The biggest problem, imo, is that to see the truth would mean changing the way we lead our lives. Few want to accept fidelity to the Truth.

St. Paul is also of the same opinion:

Romans**, *Chapter 1:18-22 “***The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools …”

 

[snoopy]

fix:

They are not having children in any *natural *way. Yes, they should be removed. The Vatican has said allowing homosexuals to raise children is moral violence.

The trauma of being raised in such a confused and immoral environment is so shocking that I cannot believe anyone would accept such things.

I know many open homosexuals. Why would that make any difference in forming a proper conclusion as to the licitness of any moral act?

I think what is referred to is the fact that many people already have children with a member of the opposite sex and then leave that relationship and embrace the homosexual lifestyle. Hence, they are having children the natural way.

 

[fix]

snoopy:

I think what is referred to is the fact that many people already have children with a member of the opposite sex and then leave that relationship and embrace the homosexual lifestyle. Hence, they are having children the natural way.

Well, that is a good point. I thought they were referring to artificial insemination and surrogacy. In any event, no child should have to suffer such an upbringing.

 

[chevalier]

Punishing people for the guilts of others is a sin against justice. Therefore, non-admission could only be justified as a protective measure. Protective measures have to be necessary and proportionate. I don’t see a lot of a reason why same sex couples would send children to Catholic schools. However, if their reason seems to be good educational standards (as Catholic schools tend to be slightly better here) and proper development of the child… Well, maybe they don’t agree with us but they still want the child to have some proper morals… who knows, maybe that particular gay couple doesn’t want the child to go to a school with random sex and drugs? Why not? Still, I wouldn’t like to see same sex “parents” in a Catholic school. But this can be settled somehow.

No thread about admitting illegitimate children to Catholic schools?

 

[fix]

chevalier:

Punishing people for the guilts of others is a sin against justice. Therefore, non-admission could only be justified as a protective measure. Protective measures have to be necessary and proportionate. I don’t see a lot of a reason why same sex couples would send children to Catholic schools. However, if their reason seems to be good educational standards (as Catholic schools tend to be slightly better here) and proper development of the child… Well, maybe they don’t agree with us but they still want the child to have some proper morals… who knows, maybe that particular gay couple doesn’t want the child to go to a school with random sex and drugs? Why not? Still, I wouldn’t like to see same sex “parents” in a Catholic school. But this can be settled somehow.

No thread about admitting illegitimate children to Catholic schools?

The issue is public scandal and an attempt to “normalize” immoral behavior. Any public scandal should be addressed. The last Pope called homosexual adoption part of the “ideology of evil”.

 

[chevalier]

So children adopted by homosexuals are themselves part of the ideology of evil?