Afraid to go to TLM?

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Michelle2006 said:
kage_ar

Please do not feel intimidated to go to an indult TLM. What you have read here about the intolerance of the people who attend them has not been my experience at all. My boyfriend and I drive 35 miles each way to go to one every Sunday. Many women wear slacks and there are certainly young men with long hair present and NOBODY thinks the worse of them. In fact, the diversity and number of young people who attend was surprising to me. In the parish I attend only about 75% of the women wear headcoverings, although I have been to others where more like 95% did. The attire worn in your area of the country may be vary, I can only speak from my own experience. But it is not about that. It is about experiencing a the Mass in a truely moving and reverent way.
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That’s good to know about head coverings, since I don’t have a mantilla, and I have NO IDEA where to get one. I would not be opposed to wearing something on my head, I just don’t know what the protocal is.
 
Mantillas can be ordered from several places online, and your local Catholic (book)store might sell them too, mine does. At some Latin Masses they provide extra veils for you to use in the vestibule.
Actually though, you don’t need a mantilla or chapel veil as long as you have something on your head. If you have a hat, or a scarf you can wear, that is fine too, as long as you having a headcovering. I think several people have said before on these forums that mantillas just happen to be the current fashion, before that it was hats.
 
kage_ar said:
Oh, my 16 year old son wouldl LOVE it, he is the kid who cringes at the music in many Parishes, likes his music at home to be Rock and Roll but his Mass to be incense and bells with a chior and no hand holding.

Problem is, he has very long hair - and he does not wear ties. I have worn one skirt in the past 4 years, I wear dress slacks to work and to every “formal” event. From what I read here, DH would be the only one who would not booted at the door for dress code violations :eek:
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I see guys at my TLM with long hair, and quite a few women wear slacks.
 
Catching up on these posts and grinning 🙂

We do have a wonderful Parish, we have bells and patens and a VERY orthodox young Priest and even that there incense, big ornate Tabernacle right front and center on a marble altar below a HUGE crucifix…from what I read here for an NO Parish we kinda rare. All we need is a Gregorian Chant Chior…

I actually have a chapel cap that I crocheted, just sitting there in my basket, waiting for me to have a chance to wear it.

Just so ya’ll know, you have made the case - first Sunday when we aren’t teaching, I’ll be peddling over to Little Rock.
 
valient_Lucy said:
That’s good to know about head coverings, since I don’t have a mantilla, and I have NO IDEA where to get one. I would not be opposed to wearing something on my head, I just don’t know what the protocal is.
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Just pin a Kleenex to your head, like we did in the good old days. 🙂

Actually, Ebay is a great place for mantillas. Just put “mantilla” in the search box. If you use advanced search, have it omit words like bride, bridal, wedding, china, doll, comb and combs. You’ll get a higher percentage of what you really want then.

Betsy
 
lucybeebee said:
Did anyone else have the experience of being afraid to go to a TLM? I was initially afraid of going to a TLM because I thought that my piety level would be judged insuficent or something along those lines. (I’ve since joined a FSSP parish). To me, it seems like typing in search terms like “latin mass” or “tridentine” into a search engine is like doing a search for “jews”; seemingly innocous words that nonetheless bring up all kinds of strange things. There seems to be a widespread perception among many Catholics who don’t attend TLMs that those who do look down on them. I think if this perception was changed, then maybe more people might be willing to attend TLMs. How can we convince more Catholics (and non-Catholics) of the wonders of the Classical Roman Rite?
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nope. never had any fears whatsoever of going to a TLM.
 
drforjc said:
AJV

It seems to me I recall Fortescue writing that a papal mass in the 4th or 5th cent. would be familiar to us (he was writing in the early 20th cent. so he is referring to the TLM) despite the differences you list. I’ll have to check it out and see if I can find the quote to verify if my memory is accurate.
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Apologies for the delay-I only got some free time yesterday. This is the first part of the instructions of the Papal Mass, from the Roman Ordo I. A little after St. Gregory by I think a century or two. I’ve ommitted a little stuff regarding the topology of Rome. This part is upto the Kyrie. (and the Latin is available if anyone wants only it will take a little mroe time to type out)
At break of day on festivals all the clergy go on ahead of the pope to the appointed station (that is, to the church at which it had been previously announced that the stational mass would be celebrated), excepting those whose duty it is to accompany him, as we said above, and await the pontiff in the church, with the papal almoner and the bearers and the rest who carry crosses, sitting in the presbytery ; the bishops, that is, on the left hand as they enter, the presbyters on the other hand on the right, so that when the pontiff sits down and looks towards them, he may see the bishops on his right hand and the presbyters on his left. Now when the pontiff draws near to the church, the acolytes and counsellors belonging to the region which is responsible for duty on that day, stand humbly awaiting him at the appointed spot, before he comes to the place where he will dismount : in like manner also the presbyter of the title or church at which the station is going to be held, together with the major domus of the Roman Church, or the father of the hostelry (should that church happen to have one),with the presbyter subordinate to him, and the sexton, carrying a censer out of respect to the pope ; and they all bow their heads when he arrives.
First the acolytes with the counsellors, then the presbyters with their [word missing in the Latin] having sought a blessing, separate into groups on either side, as their service requires, and go before the pontiff to the church. But the advocates of the Church, although they stand with the major-[domos, do not go in front with them, but merely follow the pontiff’s palfrey, together with the acolyte who carries the washbasins : who must always follow the pontiff until the time when he goes up to the altar, and be ready at his elbow in the presbytery
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Now when the pontiff enters the church, he does not go straight up to the altar, but first enters the sacristy, supported by the deacons who received him when he dismounted from his palfrey ; and when he is gone inside he sits in his Chair ; and the deacons, after saluting the pontiff, go out of the sacristy and change their clothes before the doors : and he who is going to read the gospel makes ready the gospel-book (the seal of which has been unlocked by order of the archdeacon), which a acolyte holds for him outside his chasuble. If it should be necessary, on account of the size and weight of the larger gospel-book, two acolytes hold it outside their chuasubles while he makes it ready. Which done, the acolyte carries the gospel-book into the presbytery before the altar, the subdeacon leading the way, who, taking it, carries it outside his chasuble[*planetam]/i]] and places it honourably on the altar with his own hands. Meanwhile, after the deacons go out of the sacristy, there remain with the pontiff the chancellor, the secretary, the chief counsellor, the regional-notaries, and the subdeacon-attendant who holds the pontiff’s pallium with its pins on his left arm outside his chasuble.
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Now the pontiff changes his vestments, with the assistance of the regional-subdeacons, in the following manner. The clerical chamberlain brings them, all folded up, after having received them from the door-warden. Near the head of the bench the regional-subdeacons take the vestments to put on the pontiff according to their order, one the linen, another the girdle, a third the amice, a fourth the linen dalmatic, a fifth the larger dalmatic, and another the chasuble : and in this way they vest the pontiff in order. The chancellor and the secretary arrange his vestments so that they may hang well. Then, last of all, one of the deacons whom the lord pontiff may choose, or one of the subdeacons whom he may command, takes the pallium from the hand of the subdeacon-attendant, and puts it on the pontiff’s shoulders, fastening it to the chasuble behind, in front, and on his left shoulder by means of the pins. Then he salutes the lord pontiff, saying, Iube Domine bendicere. He responds, Salvet nos Domine: and he responds, Amen.
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Then a regional-subdeacon, holding the pontiff’s *mappulam *on his left arm over his unrolled chasuble, goes out to the gate of the sacristy, and says, 'The schola. They answer, Present. Then he asks, Who is the psalmist? and they answer, So-and-so, and so-and-so. Then the subdeacon returns to the pontiff, offers him the *mappulam *, bowing himself to the (pope’s) knees, and says, My lord’s servants, so-and-so the regional-subdeacon will read the epistle, and so-and-so of the choir will sing. And after this no change may be made in either reader or singer : but if this should be done, the archiparaphonista (i.e. the fourth of the schola) shall be excommunicated by the pontiff. When this has been announced, the subdeacon stands before the pontiff until such time as the latter shall sign to him that they may sing the psalm. As soon as the signal is given, he immediately goes out before the doors of the sacristy, and says, Accendite ! And as soon as they have lit their candles the subdeacon attendant takes the golden censer and puts incense in it in front of the sacristy doors, so that he may walk before the pontiff. And the fourth of the schola passes through the presbytery to the first of the schola or the second or the third and bowing his head to him says, Domne iubete
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Then they rise up and pass in order before the altar, and the two rows arrange themselves in this order : the paraphonistae on either side without the doors, and the children on each side within. Immediately the first of the schola begins the antiphon ad Intoitum : and when the deacons hear his voice, they at once go to the pontiff in the sacristy. Then the pontiff, rising, gives , his right hand to the archdeacon, and his left to the second or whoever may be appointed : who, after kissing his hands, walk with him as his supporters. Then the subdeacon-attendant goes before him with the
censer, sending the incense : and the seven acolytes of the district which is responsible for that day, carrying seven lighted candlesticks, go before the pontiff to the altar. But before they arrive at the altar, the deacons put off their chasubles in the presbytery, and the regional-deacon takes them and gives each severally to a acolyte of the district to which each deacon belongs. Then two acoltyes approach, holding open containers(i.e. pyxes) containing the *Sancta *; and the subdeacon-attendant, taking them, with his hand at the mouth of the container, shows the *Sancta *to the pontiff and the deacon who goes before him. Then the pontiff and the deacon salute the *Sancta *with bowed head, and look at it in order that if there are too many fragments some of them to be put in the conditorio. After this the pontiff passes on, but before he comes to the schola the holders of the candlesticks divide, four going to the right and three to the left ; and the pontiff passes between them to the upper part of the schola, and bows his head to the altar. He then rises up, and prays, and makes the sign of the cross on his forehead ; after which he gives the kiss of peace to one of the hebdomadary bishops, and to the archpresbyter, and to all the deacons. Then turning towards the first of the schola, he signs to him to sing, Glory be to the Father and to the Son, etc.; and the first of the schola bows to the pontiff, and begins it. Meantime the fourth of the schola precedes the pontiff in order to set his faldstool before the altar, if it should be the season for it : and approaching it, the pontiff prays until the repetition of the verse. Now when As it was in the beginning is said, the deacons rise up in order to salute the sides of the altar, first two, and then the rest by twos, and return to the pontiff. And the pontiff arises, and kisses the book of the Gospels and the altar, and, going to his throne, stands there facing eastwards.
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Working on the next installement…
 
I will say I am not necessarily “afraid” but confused…I would love to go to TLM here in Sacramento, but I am unsure of the order of Mass and such. My dear uncle has been attending TLM (after a long period of absence from the Church) and I would really like to wait to go with him so as to have his guidence and explanations throughout the Mass…
 
Rye-Guy said:
I will say I am not necessarily “afraid” but confused…I would love to go to TLM here in Sacramento, but I am unsure of the order of Mass and such. My dear uncle has been attending TLM (after a long period of absence from the Church) and I would really like to wait to go with him so as to have his guidence and explanations throughout the Mass…
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Sacramento?

I highly recommend the Catholic Church of St. Stephen the First Martyr.

If you’d like…you can PM me for directions.

Ask for a Father Deprey.

By far the kindest FSSP priest in the whole wide world.

I would recommend going to the 10:30 Mass.

You should arrive at around 10:00 and look for a good seat, it gets pretty crowded.

Another poster here… “Missa Solemnis” goes to the same parish.

Its a VERY good parish.
 
Michelle2006 said:
It is about experiencing a the Mass in a truely moving and reverent way.
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That is the exact reason I want to go! I am a convert of 12 years and I have never experienced it! I am blessed that my Parish is in fact the only Indult in my Diocese. I found a local Catholic gift shop/bookstore that carries head coverings and I will purchase one Saturday. I was told that not every woman there covers her head, but I will. I experience a reverent N.O. Mass, I have also experienced a Mass in my former Parish where at my Godson’s First Holy Communion, the DRE encouraged us to sing: Gloria! Clap-Clap, Gloria! Clap-Clap OR you had the option of shaking your car keys at that part:( which was NOT for me. So I am looking forward to experiencing my first Tridentine Mass soon. No fear!🙂
 
Rye-Guy said:
I will say I am not necessarily “afraid” but confused…I would love to go to TLM here in Sacramento, but I am unsure of the order of Mass and such. My dear uncle has been attending TLM (after a long period of absence from the Church) and I would really like to wait to go with him so as to have his guidence and explanations throughout the Mass…
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Ebay always has Latin/English Missals from the TLM for sale… why not get one and read it over before you go… be sure to study the pictures in the margins showing the priest’s posture, actions and location relative to the altar, because they can help you navigate those parts where the priest is speaking quietly.
I hope you enjoy!
 
Windmill said:
if you go, let us know what you thought. i have fallen in love with the TLM via internet, magazines, and mp3 talks from www.keepthefaith.org my only experience with a latin mass are the couple of latin NO Masses that our schola cantorum has sung at.

man, i’m jealous of you ppl that are close to one of these.
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I’ve heard the one in Houston is very nice. I’ve been to the one in Austin, and those folks are very friendly. A group of them usually go to dinner together afterwards. There’s also one in San Antonio, but that’s a little further away than Houston or Austin. Don’t be shy! 🙂
 
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