Afterlife and science?

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I predicted at the 3rd reply to this thread someone would post this!
 
Brian_K said:
Read Fr. Robert Spitzer on proof of the afterlife, which cites among other things thousands of near death experiences that share similar experiences of the afterlife.
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How do near death experiences differ from dreams? Dreams and nightmares can seem to be quite realistic as if you are really there and acting this out in the real world.
People on drugs have vivid mind altering experiences to such an extent that they may believe that they are able to fly. Unfortunately when they act out their flying dream, they may end up jumping from a balcony 15 stories from the ground. Similarly when an individual is near death, the body and the mind may produce some striking effect which appears real but is in reality something like a hallucination.
 
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Did you read his research?
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I read one of his books some time ago.
New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy
i did not read the other books. But I watched some of the you tube videos. One idea is that supposedly the brain was not functioning but somehow the soul is experiencing some sort of consciousness separate from the body. But how do you determine that the brain was not functioning.
OTOH, if you are near death, but not dead yet, some natural body mechanism could kick in to cause delusions or hallucinations. These things are unexplained illusions. Take for example the phantom leg syndrome. After a person’s leg is cut off, he still experiences the feeling of the leg. The leg may feel itchy and the patient reaches down to scratch his leg, but nothing is there. The patient believes that the leg is still there, although it is not. This proves that the mind or the brain can produce illusive effects which will fool us.
Some NDE may be unexplained now, but it is possible that there may be a natural explanation found in the future.
 
AlNg said:
How do near death experiences differ from dreams?
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People who had a NDE can describe in perfect detail things that they should not have knowledge of, because they were " dead " at the time to know such things.
 
I’m not sure what you’re supporting. I think that comparing us to robots is a bit silly. We are what perceives the works that God chooses to do through us in the world. I don’t remember where but I also know that “We are in the world not of the world” is a thing too.

I just don’t want you to lose/not have hope for humans is all I’m saying. There’s always hope, and God is not naive! 😛
 
Of course I have hope for humans. I don’t think humans are robots because robots have no soul. I’m saying that human beings are made of more than matter. Otherwise there is no explanation for intellect and free will.
 
All new death experiences that have been reported are from people who did not actually die. Death, in the context of this discussion means the loss of all cellular functioning in the brain and thought-related organs. No one has come back from that. No experiences have been reported.
 
Hawking also finished his sarcastic point with being “afraid of the dark” which is nonsensical. It implies kind-of a weird semi-conscientiousness where there still exists an entity (soul or whatever) that somehow knows they are non-existent but in the dark.:crazy_face:
 
The read Dr Eben Alexander’s account. He is a neurosurgeon and understands the brain very well.

His brain was destroyed by the illness and nonfunctional. He was not dead in that he was still breathing, with a respirator, and his heart was kept beating by machine, Yet, his consciousness awakened and in that state, experienced heaven and God who dwells therein.

Jim
 
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People who came back from the dead in the Bible :

The widow of Zarephath’s son (1 Kings 17:17–24)

The Shunammite woman’s son (2 Kings 4:18–37)

The man raised out of Elisha’s grave (2 Kings 13:20–21)

The widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:11–17)

Jairus’ daughter (Luke 8:52–56)

Lazarus of Bethany (John 11)

Various saints in Jerusalem (Matthew 27:50–53)

Tabitha (Acts 9:36–43)

Eutychus (Acts 20:7–12)

Jesus (Mark 16:1–8)
 
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Hi. Not getting into the topic but @JimR-OCDS you might like to know the rules in the forum mention that there is no need to write your name after a post. Because your name is already apart of your post. Just for your own info --🙂
 
In 2015 the AWARE NDE study was published, where qualified doctors monitored cardiac arrest patients who flatlined and established that 9% of them reported vivid visions after death. Evidence of consciousness without brain activity was reported.
 
Dan_Defender said:
In 2015 the AWARE NDE study was published, where qualified doctors monitored cardiac arrest patients who flatlined and established that 9% of them reported vivid visions after death. Evidence of consciousness without brain activity was reported.
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Right, and there are thousand ways to die, only some occur on a operation table inside of a hospital.People report leaving their body without ever being under anesthesia.
 
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Divine3 said:
Hi. Not getting into the topic but @JimR-OCDS you might like to know the rules in the forum mention that there is no need to write your name after a post. Because your name is already apart of your post. Just for your own info --🙂
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I never noticed that until you pointed it out. 🤔
 
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The cells in his brain were not dead. His brain was not dead. A near-death experience is an experience of one of the things that happens to us when we are alive. It is by definition not an experience of something that happens to us after we are dead, even if such experience is possible. It is therefore absolutely not an experience of the afterlife, should there be one. It is an experience of this life.
 
The mind is both metaphysical and physical. When we die the brain dies, but science cant say much about wether the metaphysical lives on or even specify it.
 
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