Ag_nots Catholic Scriptural Challenge - just ONE proven example wins!!

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AshleyBelle said:
It can’t be over?

What is the angst your’e feeling…what do you have to loose if all this time when you were so sure the Catholic Church was against Sacred Scripture, you may actually have been wrong? Is that what frightens you? I’ll admit, it frightened me A.LOT. a few years ago.

The Catholic Church? In line with the Bible? NO WAY! …

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But God sometimes has other plans 🙂
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What is driving your great desire to pull Ag_Not out of her spiritual journey into full communion with the Catholic Church?
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Gods truth is important. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God is in direct contradiction to Catholic teachings.
 
Hisalone said:
We can honor Mary without diefying her, or making stuff up about her.
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But we are not making up any stuff about her.

I posted a reply to Henning with a note regarding a 5CD pack on the “The Gospel Truth abut Mary” by Tim Staples. You can order it but I got it as a gift for supporting CAF financially.

Please get that. It is packed with scriptural support and more. I think it is better if you learn more about what we truly believe before arguing about one word points and single verses.

I guarantee you, you will learn a lot from these CDs.

And if you still have questions after that then, fair enough, believe what you want to believe.
 
Ag_not said:
Please address the issue of ‘‘all’’ - and are you saying Enoch and Elijah were unclean and entered heaven?? :confused:
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There is no issue with all, all means all.
Enoch and Elijah had no original sin?
 
Hisalone said:
Gods truth is important. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God is in direct contradiction to Catholic teachings.
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I think, for you, it has to be in contradiction, or else the Catholic Church is right…something that is too unfathomable for you to even entertain.
 
AshleyBelle said:
I think, for you, it has to be in contradiction, or else the Catholic Church is right…something that is too unfathomable for you to even entertain.
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Or that the Catholic teaching is false something you can not entertain.
 
A great question.

If Enoch and Elijah entered heaven, they would have to be clean.
So if they were born with original sin (and Hisalone is arguing that everybody, including Mary, had original sin, correct?) they should not have been able to enter heaven, as Jesus had not yet died for us and ‘covered their dung with snow’.

So, how did Enoch and Elijah, born with original sin, enter heaven?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Hisalone, you are the one making the claim that ‘all have sinned’, aren’t you?

It is up to YOU to explain how Enoch and Elijah, who ‘sinned’, were assumed into heaven.

So, let’s hear it.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Hisalone, you are the one making the claim that ‘all have sinned’, aren’t you?

It is up to YOU to explain how Enoch and Elijah, who ‘sinned’, were assumed into heaven.

So, let’s hear it.
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Are you saying that Enoch and Elijah did not suffer from original sin? Explain how that happened?
 
Really? Where in the Bible does it say that about Enoch and Elijah?
If they were sanctified by their faith, why did Jesus die on the cross?
 
Tantum_ergo said:
A great question.

If Enoch and Elijah entered heaven, they would have to be clean.
So if they were born with original sin (and Hisalone is arguing that everybody, including Mary, had original sin, correct?) they should not have been able to enter heaven, as Jesus had not yet died for us and ‘covered their dung with snow’.

So, how did Enoch and Elijah, born with original sin, enter heaven?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Bruxilda stands up, fixes herself, and heads for the kitchen

Who wants coffee; anyone want tea, or coke, or something a bit stronger? 😃
 
Ag_not said:
Bruxilda stands up, fixes herself, and heads for the kitchen

Who wants coffee; anyone want tea, or coke, or something a bit stronger? 😃
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YOU explain how Enoch and Elijah were spared from original sin.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Really? Where in the Bible does it say that about Enoch and Elijah?
If they were sanctified by their faith, why did Jesus die on the cross?
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How were Enoch and Elijah sparred from original sin?

You claim Mary had a special grace, did they also?
 
No, dear, let’s stick to your statement and YOU explain things. All we have been asking is for you to explain what YOU stated. Don’t try to turn this around.

YOU say that Enoch and Elijah were ‘sanctified by their faith’ and thus were assumed into heaven.

Aside from that fact never being mentioned in the Bible, can you explain to me how, if it is possible for people to enter heaven ‘sanctified by faith’ before Jesus’ sacrifice, why Jesus made that sacrifice ‘for all’?
 
Hisalone said:
How were Enoch and Elijah sparred from original sin?

You claim Mary had a special grace, did they also?
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Will you PLEASE stop answering a quesiton with a question 🤷 and answer the questions asked of you BEFORE you ask questions of others. Please. :mad:
 
Tantum_ergo said:
No, dear, let’s stick to your statement and YOU explain things. All we have been asking is for you to explain what YOU stated. Don’t try to turn this around.

YOU say that Enoch and Elijah were ‘sanctified by their faith’ and thus were assumed into heaven.

Aside from that fact never being mentioned in the Bible, can you explain to me how, if it is possible for people to enter heaven ‘sanctified by faith’ before Jesus’ sacrifice, why Jesus made that sacrifice ‘for all’?
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No it doesnt work that way.
Enoch and Elijay were translted to heaven without physical death. Did they have the same “grace” as Mary.
 
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