Age gaps in dating/marriage - how far would you go/have gone?

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There is a topic I am following in Moral Theology about a hypothetical (or perhaps not) relationship between an 18 year old woman and 45 year old man, most posters seem to be opposed to the idea, and many have assumed the man must be a sexual predator or close to it. However, some have also stated that such large age gap relationships, especially with an older man, are traditional and acceptable. Even the marriage of Mary and Joseph has been mentioned in support of this position.

Now, I have always been the type, until recently, to be more comfortable hanging out with people a few years older, in general, and find people my own age to be too immature and petty. Now, in my mid-30s, it seems most people my age have matured enough that I can get along with them.

But the widest age gap I’ve taken on dating-wise is a man 12 years older, and I eventually broke off the relationship because (1) we really seemed to have little in common except our jobs, and I didn’t think this was enough and (2) he actually struck me as rather immature compared to other men his age. I have considered men who are 5-6 years older than me, and would theoretically consider men 5-6 years younger, though I’ve never actually had a chance to date a significantly younger man.

From seeing what friends and acquaintances have done, it seems that age gaps of 10 years or so can work, but not much more than that; unless we are talking arranged marriage where the expectations are completely different. I think it also matters not just the age gap, but the life experience of the younger partner. A 28 year old dating a 40 year old, I think is not as problematic as an 18 year old dating a 30 year old, or a 16 year old dating a 28 year old (as an acquaintance from HS once did), even though the age gap is 12 in all these relationships. And certainly, a 14 year old dating a 26 year old would be grounds for criminal prosecution in most jurisdictions.

I have also unfortunately seen large age gap relationships where the older partner (most often a man) seemed to be predatory and taking advantage of the younger partner – in one such relationship, the woman was not only a teenager when she started dating a thirty-something man, she was from another country, and although they are now engaged, I wonder if this has something to do with the woman wanting a green card, more than actual affection for the man.

On the other hand, I am a fan of Jane Austen, and many of her heroines wind up happily married to men who are almost 20 years older. I also didn’t find the Edith/Sir Anthony relationship in DA to be at all scandalous, and even in-universe, those who opposed their marriage seemed to be more concerned about Sir Anthony’s war wounds and disability; after all, when he was hale and hearty in S1, he was even considered a possible suitor for Mary, the favored older daughter. But then again, these relationships took place in societies that did not subscribe to the “extended adolescence” of modern society, and women were not really expected to be independent at any stage of their lives.

So, I was curious as to what’s other CAF posters think about acceptable age gaps. I realize there ARE cases of people with very large age gaps having happy marriages, but they seem exceptional in many ways.
 
The current first approximate rule is that you ought not date anyone younger than half your age plus seven years. In my experience, that is not a bad first approximation.

I think most of us would caution the younger person about whether they follow too much or are listened to enough, and the older person with whether the younger partner can challenge them enough. Do both partners really respect the viewpoint of the other? Do they have a cultural common ground? If you both have a long-standing interest in the same kinds of music and recreation, that bodes well…the rules that apply to everyone else still apply to you, after all! Also, look at your family history. Are you going to be compatible in ten years, based on what your parents and grandparents’ health history tells you?
 
The current first approximate rule is that you ought not date anyone younger than half your age plus seven years. In my experience, that is not a bad first approximation.

I think most of us would caution the younger person about whether they follow too much or are listened to enough, and the older person with whether the younger partner can challenge them enough. Do both partners really respect the viewpoint of the other? Do they have a cultural common ground? If you both have a long-standing interest in the same kinds of music and recreation, that bodes well…the rules that apply to everyone else still apply to you, after all! Also, look at your family history. Are you going to be compatible in ten years, based on what your parents and grandparents’ health history tells you?
That is about right. There is an added precaution though when that person is still in their teens. 18 and 45 is waaaay different than 28 and 45.
 
I live in the Philippines where Western standards about differences in ages between husband and wife do not exist. They do not see this as a moral issue at all. Nor do they see a man in such a case a sexual predator, and it is perfectly acceptable to their families.
Obviously, though, it is a major cultural issue when it comes to marriage in North America, and anyone considering marriage there when there is much different in ages should take this into account. However, this really doesn’t seem a moral issue at all, or a matter of right and wrong.
Of course if this would mean in a particular case that they are incompatible, that is a different matter. But there would be no rule here, just as there are no rules when it comes to most differences between spouses.
 
I live in the Philippines where Western standards about differences in ages between husband and wife do not exist. They do not see this as a moral issue at all. Nor do they see a man in such a case a sexual predator, and it is perfectly acceptable to their families.
Obviously, though, it is a major cultural issue when it comes to marriage in North America, and anyone considering marriage there when there is much different in ages should take this into account. However, this really doesn’t seem a moral issue at all, or a matter of right and wrong.
Of course if this would mean in a particular case that they are incompatible, that is a different matter. But there would be no rule here, just as there are no rules when it comes to most differences between spouses.
Interesting. In the Philippines the age of consent to marry is 18 like in the US but parental consent is needed all the way up to 21… Is parental consent freely given there?
 
I asked pretty much the same question you are asking now. (some months back)

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=897144

It is a little complex to give a simple answer, it seems to me. What matters in my opinion is that there is a sufficient level of maturity in both parties to make an informed decision but this really is a somewhat complex topic. I believe in some ways it’s also related to divine providence, I think.
 
my daughters are 31 and 34. i would be comfortable upto about 40. my wife and i are the same age, as are most of the couples we know. (within a year or two) it’s hard to pick a certain age, and it my depend on the person as well. one thing i know for sure, no one’s gonna ask me.😛
 
A 10 year old and a 25 year old= A horrifying thought to most people.
A 25 year old and a 40 year old= A lot less horrifying. This relationship could work for some people*
A 40 year old and a 55 year old= Acceptable to most people.*
15 year age difference for all three examples (Similar to OP example)
    • The thing is, it’s not really about age as a number, more about maturity levels and life stages. We don’t generally have relationships with people a lot older than us because the maturity levels would most likely be a lot different. Ergo, it has become a bit frowned upon.
A 10 year old and a 25 year old would never work, because so much happens between the ages of 10 and 25. You go through school, you hit puberty. It’s a gigantic difference, one that cannot be surpassed. Plus, it’s quite illegal.

A 40 year old and a 55 year old aren’t nearly as bad, because a 40 year old could very likely be in the same life stage as a 55 year old, since your life starts to get relatively steady around that time. But that is just a generalized idea. Maturity and life stages vary.

So I guess for me, it boils down to legality and maturity/life stage.
 
Eighteen year difference here - which has made no difference. I was 30 when I met my husband; had I been 18 or 20, it wouldn’t have worked - I was much too immature. If my husband was one of those people who have a lot of health problems and get old at 65, it might have been difficult. But as it is, he’s pushing 80 & has more strength, stamina, and zest for life than I do!
 
Eighteen year difference here - which has made no difference. I was 30 when I met my husband; had I been 18 or 20, it wouldn’t have worked - I was much too immature. If my husband was one of those people who have a lot of health problems and get old at 65, it might have been difficult. But as it is, he’s pushing 80 & has more strength, stamina, and zest for life than I do!
Good friend of mine married a man 20 years older and they have had a great life. She was actually a friend of his daughter which on the face of it kind of gives one the heebie jeebies but they have had a wonderful life together. They are very compatible, he’s much more easy going and maybe that helped. She’s more volatile but has also mellowed with age so to speak. I have dated men 17 years older and a decade younger which I am sure was looked at with some horror. Currently engaged to a man 10 years older and I am facing reality it means more likely to be health issues in the future. You are blessed that your husband is hale and hearty at 80!

I think the issue with respect to the OP is that the female is really a teenager and the male is middle aged. Huge difference in worldview, shared experiences, and maturity levels. It’s not so much the gap but the respective ages.
 
A 10 year old and a 25 year old= A horrifying thought to most people.
A 25 year old and a 40 year old= A lot less horrifying. This relationship could work for some people*
A 40 year old and a 55 year old= Acceptable to most people.*
15 year age difference for all three examples (Similar to OP example)
    • The thing is, it’s not really about age as a number, more about maturity levels and life stages. We don’t generally have relationships with people a lot older than us because the maturity levels would most likely be a lot different. Ergo, it has become a bit frowned upon.
A 10 year old and a 25 year old would never work, because so much happens between the ages of 10 and 25. You go through school, you hit puberty. It’s a gigantic difference, one that cannot be surpassed. Plus, it’s quite illegal.

A 40 year old and a 55 year old aren’t nearly as bad, because a 40 year old could very likely be in the same life stage as a 55 year old, since your life starts to get relatively steady around that time. But that is just a generalized idea. Maturity and life stages vary.

So I guess for me, it boils down to legality and maturity/life stage.
I think your post was well put. One of my sisters married a previously married man with two kids and 12 years difference and they are still married 35+ years later. There is a big difference of maturity between an 18 year old and a 45 year old and that maturity and life experience make a big difference which is the example given by Op. But as we all age, the differences between ages mellows out.
 
I haven’t read the other comments yet, but here are some preliminary thoughts.
There is a topic I am following in Moral Theology about a hypothetical (or perhaps not) relationship between an 18 year old woman and 45 year old man, most posters seem to be opposed to the idea, and many have assumed the man must be a sexual predator or close to it.

**Well, the question does arise, what has he been doing with himself from 18-45 and why doesn’t he prefer women who are more age appropriate (say, 30+)?

I don’t think it’s necessarily a sexual predator, but there are lots of other unflattering interpretations, like for instance that he does not want an equal partnership with a wife.**

However, some have also stated that such large age gap relationships, especially with an older man, are traditional and acceptable. Even the marriage of Mary and Joseph has been mentioned in support of this position.

**Mary’s age and Joseph’s age at marriage are not provided to us in canonical scripture. Also, the marriage was unconsummated. And Mary was free of original sin. And their circumstances were otherwise rather unusual. **

But the widest age gap I’ve taken on dating-wise is a man 12 years older, and I eventually broke off the relationship because (1) we really seemed to have little in common except our jobs, and I didn’t think this was enough and (2) he actually struck me as rather immature compared to other men his age.

**It’s interesting you mention that, because on a secular advice site I read (dearwendy.com), I’ve heard similar observations, namely that the older man attracted to much younger women is often immature in ways that won’t be visible to the younger woman, but will be visible to women his own age.

When I was 19, I dated a man who was 35/36, and looking back, I’m pretty sure that was the case–he was very immature in a variety of ways. There was also the stage of life issue–I was very excited about going out into the world and exploring, and he was all ready to settle down. I remember once noting how excited he was by nice furniture, and at the time, I simply could not relate to that and thought it materialistic and a little vulgar, and I had similar experiences over the next several years when talking to older friends. I’m 39 now, and I’m very excited by nice furniture! I think that yet another issue in that relationship was that (with my limited dating experience at that point), I was not able to identify “lines.” It’s quite possible that some of them were used in all sincerity, but they were still lines.

On Dear Wendy, they recommend no more than a 10 year gap, but I’m sure it matters less and less the older you get, but that 10 years is probably way too much for early 20-somethings.

There’s a fundamental unfairness in the modern world (at least in developed countries) in marrying an 18-year-old girl as a 45-year-old man. It means, most likely, denying her opportunities that he himself enjoyed.

Also, there’s the problem of what happens when the wide-eyed 18-year-old turns into a 30-year-old who is not nearly as impressed with her 57-year-old husband as she used to be.
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From seeing what friends and acquaintances have done, it seems that age gaps of 10 years or so can work, but not much more than that; unless we are talking arranged marriage where the expectations are completely different. I think it also matters not just the age gap, but the life experience of the younger partner.

Yes.

On the other hand, I am a fan of Jane Austen, and many of her heroines wind up happily married to men who are almost 20 years older.

**Kinda sorta.

The biggest gap I can recall is the one between Emma and Mr. Knightley, which the internet says is 17 years (20 and 37?). That’s an interesting example for the following reasons. 1) While Emma has a few important things to learn, she is very rich, confident, clever and accomplished. In her society, she is a full-fledged adult, the biggest, flashiest fish in her tiny village pond. 2) Mr. Knightley is her sister’s husband’s brother, so they are peers, generationally speaking. 3) As I recall, Mr. Knightley loves Emma but hesitates to pursue her because he’s older and poorer. (Not totally sure about that one, but I seem to recall that the age gap was a problem for him.)

Oh–and there’s Marianne Dashwood where the gap may be 20ish, but in that case, the big age gap between her and Colonel Brandom is definitely represented as an obstacle. Early in the book, young Willoughby is running circles around the Colonel.

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So, I was curious as to what’s other CAF posters think about acceptable age gaps. I realize there ARE cases of people with very large age gaps having happy marriages, but they seem exceptional in many ways.
 
The current first approximate rule is that you ought not date anyone younger than half your age plus seven years. In my experience, that is not a bad first approximation.

I think most of us would caution the younger person about whether they follow too much or are listened to enough, and the older person with whether the younger partner can challenge them enough. Do both partners really respect the viewpoint of the other? Do they have a cultural common ground? If you both have a long-standing interest in the same kinds of music and recreation, that bodes well…the rules that apply to everyone else still apply to you, after all! Also, look at your family history. Are you going to be compatible in ten years, based on what your parents and grandparents’ health history tells you?
Yes!
 
I think there’s a cultural issue in comparing 19th century attitudes to large age gaps to our own, in that when an 18-year-old girl married in Jane Austen’s time, she was becoming an adult and automatically acquiring all sorts of new privileges, freedom and status. See, for example, Lydia’s glee at her new status as Mrs. Wickham. Among other things, rather than needing to be chaperoned, 15-year-old or 16-year-old Mrs. Wickham will be able to chaperon her unmarried sisters!

In the contemporary US (at least outside very particular communities), a single young woman is able to acquire a lot of grownup privileges (being able to go to social events by herself, being able to leave the parental home and live on her own) just by virtue of being a legal adult and economically self-sufficient. Hence, all things being equal, a 45-year-old man today in the US has much less to offer an 18-year-old than he would in 1820.
 
How far into the age gap would/have I gone? I was 18 and dating a 28 year old. It was a good relationship, but he wasn’t right for me. He ended up dating a lovely lady after I broke it off with him and they later married. She had 3 kids he raised and they had 2 more together. He, his wife, and I were friendly until he passed away from cancer a few years ago. So, I guess about 10 years older than myself was my limit.

Now, my Aunt is another story. She was a school friend of mine who lived with my parents after her abusive boyfriend beat her and their son. About a year after she moved in she started getting closer and closer to my Uncle. They wanted to marry when she was 17, but her mother was living out of state by then and refused to give permission. So, Aunt moved in with Uncle a few months before her 18th birthday and they married as soon as she turned 18. Aunt and Uncle have been married for 20 years this year and have raised 4 sons. They have a happy marriage and a good life together. The age gap is 19 years, but that hasn’t mattered to them in the least. She’s always been “an old soul” and he was always a gentle and sweet man who seemed to be waiting for the right woman. Apparently, 19 years of that waiting was because she hadn’t been born yet!
 
I think all the “wisdom” on the subject should be taken into account…maturity, being healthy and around to raise the kids, etc

But in the end the same criteria that apply to people of the same age, are what matters to people in an age gap relationship.

Is there real love and respect? Do they commit to one another for life? Are they mature enough to understand and carry out the duties in marriage, etc.

Some people, no matter their age are NEVER really ready for marriage and parenthood.
 
My intended is 20 years my senior. We just work; not to be cliché but even people who generally have a problem with large age gaps have been quieted after interacting with us. I was 26 when we met and became involved. so there was also the benefit that I had finished my undergraduate education, travelled quite a bit, and had been working since I was 15.
 
My wife’s age and mine are less that three months different (both approaching 70), but her physical and mental health is equivalent to someone 15-20 years older, while mine is better than that of a lot of men 20 years younger. Chances are that she is going to predecease me. In the past, and here in rural Alabama, it wasn’t unusual for an older widower to marry a woman the same age as his own children; my own grandfather did that, as did one of his brothers.

I doubt that I would marry again if my wife were to predecease me, but if I were to seek marriage again, I would not be looking for a woman my own age; I would be looking for someone as healthy and active as I am, which means looking for someone in her 40s. There is an added benefit for a woman who would be married to me into my own old age; I have a federal pension, and when I die, whoever is married to me (provided we have been married for at least two years) would get 60% of my pension for the rest of her life 😃

My own brother was in his mid-30s when he married for the first time, and he married a girl 15 years younger. They’re doing fine.
 
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