age limits on defection?

[Corki]

How about the Catholic that knows the Church’s position on taking communion in other places but does so from time to time. Has an invalid marriage with no intention or interest in regularizing it but still takes communion in the Catholic Church, had her child baptized in a Lutheran Church with one Lutheran and one Catholic sponsor, uses ABC, thinks female clergy would be a good idea, believes a celibate clergy is ridiculous and has no problem with gay marriage. **What do we do with that person? **

If you are speaking of who I think you are, I suggest hugging her tightly and keep praying.

 

[Aramis]

And a profession of faith is merely the Nicene or Apostles Creed? Correct? Which is used in some, if not many, protestant churches so I don’t see how this is really a profession of one specific faith.

No. It is the public acceptance of what the church teaches, by a public statement.

It always involves all three of (1) accepting the creed and/or making the baptismal promises, and (2) accepting the the authority of the church and its ordained ministers, and (3) accepting all the dogma of the church, all done at once in a public forum before an ordained minister.

One Orthodox translate to the Roman Church made his profession thusly “I accept that the Catholic Church is the True Church, the Pope is the true head of the church, and that all that the church requires I believe I do believe.”

 

[joandarc2008]

These folks are the other side of the coin where defection is concerned, and a reason why the church really ought to find a way to regularize a meaningful defection process. You shouldn’t have to be stuck with them, nor them with you.

I disagree many of them have not defected - many of them still come take Eucharist every Sunday. That is another conversation for another thread.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

How about the Catholic that knows the Church’s position on taking communion in other places but does so from time to time. Has an invalid marriage with no intention or interest in regularizing it but still takes communion in the Catholic Church, had her child baptized in a Lutheran Church with one Lutheran and one Catholic sponsor, uses ABC, thinks female clergy would be a good idea, believes a celibate clergy is ridiculous and has no problem with gay marriage. What do we do with that person?

Join Saint Monica in prayer. It not only brought St Augustine back but made her a saint too.

 

[Lutheranteach]

You don’t have anything to apologize for. You are right, we need to pray for their conversion.

Not to put words in LT’s mouth, but I think he gets frustrated with the cafeteria attitude. Your “yes” should mean “yes” and your “no” should mean “no” whether you are Catholic, Lutheran, Jewish, or whatever.

Sort of…I think I would state it more like “Be what your beliefs indicate you are.”

 

[Lutheranteach]

If you are speaking of who I think you are, I suggest hugging her tightly and keep praying.

I do, but I doubt you would like what I’m praying for.

 

[GaryTaylor]

How about the Catholic that knows the Church’s position on taking communion in other places but does so from time to time. Has an invalid marriage with no intention or interest in regularizing it but still takes communion in the Catholic Church, had her child baptized in a Lutheran Church with one Lutheran and one Catholic sponsor, uses ABC, thinks female clergy would be a good idea, believes a celibate clergy is ridiculous and has no problem with gay marriage. What do we do with that person?

I believe when someone complicates their life with error after error after error. I would say they made enough wrong choices and should suspend all judgement period.

 

[Lutheranteach]

No. It is the public acceptance of what the church teaches, by a public statement.

It always involves all three of (1) accepting the creed and/or making the baptismal promises, and (2) accepting the the authority of the church and its ordained ministers, and (3) accepting all the dogma of the church, all done at once in a public forum before an ordained minister.

One Orthodox translate to the Roman Church made his profession thusly “I accept that the Catholic Church is the True Church, the Pope is the true head of the church, and that all that the church requires I believe I do believe.”

Thank you! I have asked this question a number of times from a number of people and never gotten a clear, concise answer!

 

[Aramis]

Thank you! I have asked this question a number of times from a number of people and never gotten a clear, concise answer!

It happens more often in EC parishes than in Roman, albeit usually with fewer people; most Roman do it once per year, due to the coordinated class-based mentality of the RCIA program. We’ve seen 3 this year alone; one wasn’t even a convert… he was preparing for ordination to the subdeaconate!

 

[Agape_Thom]

Well, all I can say is tha I am very happy and content with my decision. It was made many years ago and I have absolutely no regrets. Everything I have read in these forums over the last year+ has only helped to confirm my choice. I have Jesus, I need nothing more.