Alabama - God's country

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meltzerboy2 said:
No offense to Alabamians and Alabamaphiles, but, in visiting Alabama once, I found it a little too much Gd’s country.
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If Alabama is too much God’s country, then how will you tolerate heaven?
 
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I don’t know about anyone else, but I think the topic of infertility and marriage needs to stay out of this topic, which is “Alabama–God’s Country.”

It’s Memorial Day–let’s use this thread as one way to remember why we honor those who die in service to our country so that states like Alabama can continue to exist.
 
nightshade said:
Also in Cullman is the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament which was founded by Mother Angelica.
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In Cullman County, not in Cullman proper. Overall, the county has four monasteries, one of which is an internationally known shrine, and a thriving parish with a beautiful early 20th-century building. It is the Catholic buckle on the Southern Bible Belt 😃

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God’s Country is everywhere in this world and moreso in the world to come.
I pray for all in this country and in all of the other countries of this world! 🙏🙏🙏
 
I trust that Gd has more of a sense of humor and more leniency concerning religion than some Alabamans do.
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
I trust that Gd has more of a sense of humor and more leniency concerning religion than some Alabamians do.
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And I trust that you have more leniency towards Alabamans and others who stand up strong for what they believe even if it offends those with more open thinking.

Hey, I know that Governor George Wallace ruled in Alabama for a long time, and that there are still a lot of people around who agree with him in regards to attitudes towards minorities. That’s frustrating, I agree.

But they’re getting older and older, and many of their children are people like me, who grew up learning that racism is a sin and try to practice charity and mercy towards all. Once all those old folks are gone, they won’t be around to offend anymore. Give 'em a break–it’s tough to get old, sick, and frail, and to come to the end of your life. Respect them for their age, if nothing else. And you practice what liberals preach–tolerance and love for ALL, including those you disagree with.
 
Yes, I agree with you on many points including love and tolerance for all including those we disagree with. I try to practice that but I am only human, and certain attitudes, especially those of self-righteousness, offend me. When I visited Alabama, it was several decades ago, and I realize times have changed. I do respect all older people (with the exception perhaps of those Nazis who are still alive) since, after all, I am one of them. And I also realize people are people, they make mistakes, and can also change their attitudes. Despite all this, I wouldn’t exactly feel comfortable living in Alabama even today because I believe Jews as well as Blacks still have to watch their back. Maybe I’m wrong, but old impressions die hard. (BTW, I am liberal on many issues but not all.)
 
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Bradskii said:
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Bradskii:
So what do you think is the purpose of infertile people getting married if the can’t ‘produce a family’?
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Do you suggest that the only part of raising children is the actual reproduction?
That there is nothing necessary from birth onward?
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Maybe you should look up the definition of infertile.
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Brad. You’ve been here a long, LONG, time.
 
My family are Catholic immigrants with brown skin. We were welcomed in Alabama in the 1980’s. Many of my family members still live there. Most live near Huntsville.
 
Bradskii said:
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meltzerboy2:
According to Catholic belief, the purpose of marriage is procreative AND unitive. Even if the first is not possible, the second is.
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Not necessarily. If there are physical impediments to union then the unitive aspect is also out and the marriage is not considered to be valid. The union of a couple in that situation is considered exactly as the same as that of a homosexualy couple. Invalid.

One thing that’s just come to mind. What is the Catholic view on a couple who are in an invalid marriage (physical impediment to the unitive aspect) adopting children?
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I don’t think there is a specific position on that.

However, what would come into play is this: The Catholic Church would desire a child to be adopted by a couple where orthodox Catholic doctrine would be instilled in the child.

Purely objectively speaking, an invalidly married would arguably not met that standard (at least for adopting a child from a Catholic orphanage)

HOWEVER, when choosing the lesser of two evils, the invalidly married couple might be SUBJECTIVELY better than a single person or a same sex couple because the Church believes that children are better off with a mother and father who live together instead of a single parent or two parents of the same sex. And this is because they become more well rounded (emotionally & spiritually) when they live with & learn from both sexes instead of primarily from one sex.

Also, subjectively speaking, the invalidly married couple might be better than a validly married couple if the validly married couple were not trying to live Christian lives.

Thoughts?
 
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A losing battle indeed!

Perhaps these bureaucrats should focus on attending Mother Church, and ‘cleaning their own house’, rather than focusing on marginalizing a minority.
 
Peeps said:
And you practice what liberals preach–tolerance and love for ALL, including those you disagree with.
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You got that the wrong way round.

People liberals disagree with need to change their views so liberals can tolerate them.
 
My first thought is the Yiddish expression: “Fadrai zen dein kop, allein zen meinen,” which approximately translates to “Go spin your head around, leave mine alone.” In other words, this is a tough one.

I thought “unitive” was not confined to consummating the marriage physically but involved also an emotional relationship.
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
My first thought is the Yiddish expression: “Fadrai zen dein kopf, allein zen meinen,” which approximately translates to “Go spin your head around, leave mine alone.” In other words, this is a tough one.

I thought “unitive” was not confined to consummating the marriage physically but involved also an emotional relationship.
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It’s both.

For example, an Eunuch would not be able to get married, but a man who was castrated after getting married would not be forced to leave his wife.

And objectively, the wife wouldn’t be able to seek an annulment unless the man always intended to be castrated after marriage.

But as we know, subjectively speaking, things are often more complicated
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
Despite all this, I wouldn’t exactly feel comfortable living in Alabama even today because I believe Jews as well as Blacks still have to watch their back. Maybe I’m wrong, but old impressions die hard.
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I don’t think practing Jews have any thing to worry about in AL.

Protestants typically, love Isreal and Jews. They might religiously disagree with them, but their love for Israel gives them a love for the Jews.

Any hostility experienced would most likely be because your from New York, not because you are Jewish. 🙂

But of course, there still those in the South (and North) who are bigots. And most (if not all) of the anti-Jewish bigots in the south would be equally anti-Catholic (if not more so)

God Bless
 
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A Jewish friend of mine lived for a time in Louisiana and found the people, largely Protestant, very hospitable and respectful of his Jewish background (he is not religious). However, they thought it amusing that he would not eat shrimp or pork. What he did find odd, since he comes from NYC, was that everyone (mainly professors) carried a shotgun or rifle with them wherever they went. Now he lives in Colorado in the liberal city of Denver. He still finds people unusual, but that’s more due to his own personality.
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
Despite all this, I wouldn’t exactly feel comfortable living in Alabama even today because I believe Jews as well as Blacks still have to watch their back
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I actually think this is more likely to happen up North. Some people up North “patronize” people who are different than them, but when push comes to shove, they aren’t there for the person that they claimed to “love as an equal.”

I would rather have someone tell me to my face that they think I’m inferior than have them pretend that they respect me and then do something that proves otherwise and leaves me lower than I was before.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
A Jewish friend of mine lived for a time in Louisiana and found the people, largely Protestant, very hospitable and respectful of his Jewish background (he is not religious). However, they thought it amusing that he would not eat shrimp or pork.
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Southern evangelicals typically cannot fathom the concept of Catholic abstinence from meat.
meltzerboy2 said:
No offense to Alabamans and Alabamaphiles, but, in visiting Alabama once, I found it a little too much Gd’s country.
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“God’s country” is an affectionate term used by some Americans to refer to those areas, commonly rural ones, where there is a decent, simple quality of life, pleasant physical surroundings, and the people generally reflect goodness and humble piety. West Virginia would be another example. When you drive through West Virginia, you will see signs and billboards all over the place exhorting the reader on matters of simple Christian piety and holiness. I was very inspired by this and pointed out to my son that such reinforcement is how a Christian society should work.
 
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