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(snicker out loud)Ameboid.
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Maybe not, but it does contain the ETERNAL WORD of GOD.For this to be true it would have to be true for all times and for all. The bible has not been around for all time.
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My understanding is that Jesus is the Word, and that He FOUNDED the Church.barboza21;7935051:
For a while there you had me going. Your interpretation was Catholic up until you said the woman was the Church and then gave birth to the Church. Catholics would say Mary is the woman and gave birth to Jesus. Jesus is the Church.
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I know that Wikipedia is not to be considered (necessarily) an authority on matters religious, but the following quote from that source tends to disagree with you Coptic Christian, and would point out that, it is only the Catholic Church itself that sees itself as being âpre-denominationalâTheir is no Catholic denomination. All other Protestant beliefs incuding 7th day adventists denominated.
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"** The Roman Catholic Church is the largest denomination** with over 1.1 billion members, comprising over half of all Christians worldwide making it the largest denomination for any religion worldwide (**although the Church itself does not view itself as a denomination, but as pre-denominational [1])."** Wikipedia.
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So then, how does Christmas differ from any other time in view of the following:
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The Origin of **Christ-mas(s)**I intend no disrespect because I enjoy the festivities as much as the next man. But, you have to agree that Ebeneezer Scrooge made a valid point when he said that Christmas was, âa poor excuse to pick a manâs pocket every 25th of December.â ( âA Christmas Carolâ - Dickens).
It is becoming increasingly apparent that many people are becoming âHoly-Day Christiansâ in a very self righteous way (present company excepted of course), with apparently very little regard for the Christian way of life.
Remember that Paul cautions the Colossians about the judaizers, âTherefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival,âŚâ Col.2:16
So, all that I am saying is, letâs not get all protective about it.
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There is a Latin phrase that seems appropriate here: Absus non tollit usum.
âabuse does not take away use, i.e., is not an argument against correct utilityâ.
That millions of folks abuse the holy-day is not a reason to argue that it ought not exist at all.
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I really admire your use of that ancient language PR, but where did you get the idea that I am trying to get rid of a âholy-dayâ. Christmas is a public holiday in most Western countries, and itsâ âholinessâ is merely a convention. It was useful in times past as a means of introducing Jesus to little children, in fact I talk from personal experience because I was taken to a Catholic Church by my foster parents to see the baby Jesus and the Nativity scene and it had a profound effect on me back in the 60âs, but sadly it seems to have deteriorated into a commercial event. Me get rid of Christmas you say?" Not on my watch! âBah, Humbug!âThere is a Latin phrase that seems appropriate here: Absus non tollit usum.
âabuse does not take away use, i.e., is not an argument against correct utilityâ.
That millions of folks abuse the holy-day is not a reason to argue that it ought not exist at all.
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Heh.
Where did you get the idea that I think you were saying we need to get rid of Christmas?I was simply offering a maxim that even if lots of folks abuse the use of something, the something still may have legitimate use.
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Point taken, sorry I misunderstood the intent of your post. But the fact still remains PR, Christmas is not strictly speaking a Holy Day, although it is useful in causing lapsed Christians, and non-Christians to reflect on things with (often) positive results. Keep up your Latin studies.Heh.
I was simply offering a maxim that even if lots of folks abuse the use of something, the something still may have legitimate use.
Thank you for your post.
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CCâŚBTTG is SDA, and was banned several months ago.You might want to consider rereading the letter to the Romans. Paul makes the point to the Judaizing Christians that they are not descendants of Abraham rather descendant of Adam that they have inherited sin from. For by one man sin entered into the world. Jesus is the new adam.
Anyway, do you have the proclamation from one of the councils that settled the canon that one of the reasons for the canon was to have a set of readings for the Mass?
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I lose more friends by them being banned and was wondering what happened to BTTG. Kind of creeped me out though, reminded me of BTK.
Council of Carthage 397
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Is there a Latin phrase for âstating the obviousâ?
It clearly would be apropos here.Protector, I donât think thereâs a Christian here on this thread who does not realize that Christmas is not âstrictly speakingâ a Holy Day.
In fact, did you know thereâs a campaign called, âKeep Christ in Christmasâ that addresses this very fact?
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Why would Santa have to be taken out of the picture? Saints are pretty much a Catholic concept, no?
(In case you didnât know, Santa is based upon St. Nicholas, a Catholic bishop.)
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Yes, please read onâŚ
Saturday is the 7th day is the true Sabbath. Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. We all will be worshiping God in heaven and on the new earth on the Sabbath ((Saturday) the scripture says ALL FLESH, not just the JewsâŚ
The 4th commandment is, âRemember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.â (Exodus 20:8-11, KJV).
Look in any dictionary or Encyclopedia on what they sayâŚI grew up going to church on Sunday and went to a Catholic high school. After studying the bible very long and hard, I read and found that Jesus was raised on Sunday the 1st day of the week (King James vesion). Before Jesus went to the cross he gave no instruction to replace the truth Sabbath Saturday the 7th day to Sunday 1 day of the week the day he rose from the grave,
There are at least four ways which we can tell for certain that Saturday is the seventh day.
The Bible: It clearly reveals that Jesus was crucified on the Preparation day (Luke 23:54). His closest followers rested as commanded on the Sabbath day (Luke 23:56; Mark 16:1). Most Christians recognize Jesus died on Friday, the Preparation day; He rested the next day the Sabbath, and rose the first day, Sunday. The Sabbath is the day between Friday and Sunday, or the seventh dayâSaturday.
Language: In more than one hundred and forty languages in the world, the word for the seventh day, which we call Saturday, is the word Sabbath. Language testifies to the Sabbathâs preservation through the centuries.
Astronomy: The leading astronomers in the world testify to the fact that the weekly cycle has never changed. Centers such as the Royal Naval Observatory in the U.S. and The Royal Greenwich Observatory in England affirm the fact of a constant weekly cycle.
History: The Jewish people have kept an accurate record of the Sabbath. For more than four thousand years, they have preserved the true Sabbath on Saturday.
Mark 2:27 And Jesus said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(it does not say it was made for the jews only)
The Venerable Day of the Sun.â Sunday is the first day of the week, and from it we get our name Sunday. When Constantine pressed his pagan hordes into the church they were observing the day of the sun for their adoration of the sun god. It was their special holy day. In order to make it more convenient for them to make the change to the new religion, Constantine accepted their day of worship, Sunday, instead of the Christian Sabbath which had been observed by Jesus and His disciples. Remember that the way had been prepared for this already by the increasing anti-Jewish feelings against those who were accused of putting Jesus to death. Those feelings would naturally condition many Christians to swing away from something which was held religiously by the Jews. It is therefore easier to understand how the change was imposed on Christianity through a strong civil law issued by Constantine as the Emperor of Rome. The very wording of that law, by the way, can be found in any reliable encyclopedia. Those early Christians, feeling that the Jews should not be followed any more than necessary, were ready to swing away from the Sabbath which was kept by the Jews. Only law that was done away with on the cross was the sacrificial system, the 10 commandments are still binding⌠Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Fatherâs commands and remain in his love.
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Firstly, welcome to the CAFs, Travis. **
What Christians proclaim is that we are not bound to honor the Sabbath, but to keep holy the Lordâs Day, which is Sunday.
Thirdly, it would be helpful if you use paragraphs and spaces when writing long posts. It aids in making your posts more legible and reader-friendly.
Firstly, welcome to the CAFs, Travis. **
Secondly, no one here disputes that Saturday is the âtrue Sabbathâ.
What Christians proclaim is that we are not bound to honor the Sabbath, but to keep holy the Lordâs Day, which is Sunday.
Thirdly, it would be helpful if you use paragraphs and spaces when writing long posts. It aids in making your posts more legible and reader-friendly.
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