All have sinned.. including Mary.

[believers]

Like I know the Catholic Church is 100% truth and would never belive otherwise?

I suppose… If you believe your religion is completely without error. The Jews felt the same way.

 

[Goth_Catholic]

I suppose… If you believe your religion is completely without error. The Jews felt the same way.

I belive Jesus.

 

[believers]

you are so wrong the RCC believe in being born of WATER and SPIRIT just like Jesus told Nicodemus John 3:5 “Jesus answer Amen Amen I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of WATER and SPIRIT”

I’m not going to judge whether YOU are born-again or not. That is for God to decide.

But I will say this… The RCC cannot make you born-again. It is a decision you have to make on your own.

 

[lurdes]

That’s not what the Bible says.

do you think god can come in a unclean person? if the answer is no than why would you think that the son of God would be born from a sinner, God is the ALMIGHTY he can create a mother for himself who is without sin, weather you believe it or not.

 

[believers]

do you think god can come in a unclean person? if the answer is no than why would you think that the son of God would be born from a sinner, God is the ALMIGHTY he can create a mother for himself who is without sin, weather you believe it or not.

Mary was making atonement for her sins just as the Law of Moses commanded. She made a blood sacrifice every year at the temple with all other law keeping Jew. God used her because she found favor with God.

 

[dandn5000]

I’ll respond to this before I go… Here’s the problem. You believe this like it is scripture. Unless you were there… you don’t know what your believing is 100% accurate. Almighty God said that we are to be sanctified through God’s truth which is the Word of God.

Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

He did not say trust in professional historians and history of the Roman Catholic Church. We are to believe God and take Him at His Word.

We do. Who ever said that all God’s Word was was written down? If I speak to you, I am still giving you my word, even though its not written down on paper. Catholics believe that God’s Word consists of the Scriptures and Sacred Tradition.

I know that it doesn’t say that the Bible is all we’re supposed to use as God’s Word in the Bible itself.

 

[lurdes]

Indeed it does.

“Hail Full of Grace, the LORD is with thee.” Luke 1:28

Full of Grace

God’s grace cleansed Mary of oringal sin at the moment of her conception so that the womb that bore Christ would be void of the stain of sin, and so that the prophesy of Genesis would be forfilled. Eve bore sin into the world. Mary, as the new Eve, bore redemption from sin. Eve was created free of sin. So was Mary. So that at the moment Mary declared “Be it onto me according to your word” she became Eve in the garden, except where Eve rejected God, Mary embraced God. If Mary had been a sinner, this would not have been possible, because she had to be completely free to make the choice, as Eve was.

what happen to believers hi didn’t answer you back? I’ll bet he’ll start with something else.

 

[Goth_Catholic]

Mary was making atonement for her sins just as the Law of Moses commanded. She made a blood sacrifice every year at the temple with all other law keeping Jew. God used her because she found favor with God.

Jesus was baptisted.

 

[lurdes]

Mary the new ark of the covenant? That’s not what Mary said we would call her. She said generations would call her “blessed” not “the new ark of the covenant”.

Like the Bible says…
Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is with Mary when you should be giving all the praise, honor, and glory to Jesus. He is the one that created you, and He is the one that died for you.

your bible actually say Blessed? I thought it would say favored one or Happy one.

 

[swariffin]

The virgin Mary appeared to St Bernadette calling herself the Immaculate Conception, thereby confirming the dogma proclaimed earlier by the pope.

Mary was conceived sinless and remained that way through the grace of God.

It’s not in the bible. Please don’t ask “where is that in the bible”, it’s not in there. Neither is the part where it says the bible is the sole rule of faith. The bible is a spiritual book, not a book of laws and guidelines. Read it to improve your relationship with God, not to judge other’s relationshisps.

-revelations

If you dig further Genesis 3:15, there you find the Immaculate Conception.

 

[swariffin]

The Vatican wants you to believe that sin is just a stain and that this stain can be washed away with water. That’s not what we read in the Bible. The sin we received from Adam is judgment of condemnation. That means we all go to hell by default unless we are born-again spiritually.

Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.

Therefore… ALL have sinned including Mary.

Luk 1:46
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

Luk 1:47
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Dear Believer,

It was because of Jesus, then Mary is sinless. Without Jesus and without God’s plan for human salvation, there would not be Mary, the Immaculate Conception. If you dig further Genesis 3:15 and relate it to the definition of the original sin according to the RCC (and the Orthodox too), you should get that.

 

[lurdes]

Altar calls are simply call for people to Accept the gift of salvation through faith in the Jesus. They don’t have to come to the front. They can receive Jesus any where. If they call on Him.

Trinity is term used to denote the Godhead as 3 in 1. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Who compiled the Bible? The early Christians. The Romans got a hold of the scrolls came up with a table of contents and declared they were the ones that compiled the bible. ( The last line is only a guess)

and where did the word Trinity originated from? who came out with this title since is not in the Bible?

 

[peary]

We do. Who ever said that all God’s Word was was written down? If I speak to you, I am still giving you my word, even though its not written down on paper. Catholics believe that God’s Word consists of the Scriptures and Sacred Tradition.

I know that it doesn’t say that the Bible is all we’re supposed to use as God’s Word in the Bible itself.

**“There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.” - John 21:25 **

This proves that not everything Jesus or His apostles did were written down.

 

[lurdes]

I’m sure God loves how you take everything he says literaly, well except for “my flesh is real food and my body is real drink”, and “upon this rock I build my church”

yeah non-catholics only takes Gods word literal or symbolic when it doesn’t contradict their false teaching

 

[lurdes]

I’ll respond to this before I go… Here’s the problem. You believe this like it is scripture. Unless you were there… you don’t know what your believing is 100% accurate. Almighty God said that we are to be sanctified through God’s truth which is the Word of God.

Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

He did not say trust in professional historians and history of the Roman Catholic Church. We are to believe God and take Him at His Word.

I guess that you don’t believe in **ALL **American History you weren’t there or how Christopher Colombus discover America you weren’t there, wow History is a big lie!!!

 

[lurdes]

I’m not going to judge whether YOU are born-again or not. That is for God to decide.

But I will say this… The RCC cannot make you born-again. It is a decision you have to make on your own.

so Jesus lie to Niccodimas ?

 

[Ghoti]

Things to consider…

God said ALL have been judged to hell because of Adam
God said ALL have sinned.
Jesus while on earth said “no one is good** but God**.” hmm… not even Mary?

I thought you said *Paul *said the first two.

And in the third quote, wasn’t Jesus remonstrating someone for calling Him “good teacher”? But Jesus IS God…and should be therefore “good”…but He just said, don’t call Me good…Do you mean Jesus was lying?

 

[Alexius]

• Gabriel’s declaration points in the direction of Mary’s Immaculate Conception. According to Pope Pius IX’s 1854 definition Ineffabilis Deus, Luke’s Annunciation narrative is an important indicator of Mary’s lifelong holiness. God is her “Savior” (1:47) in the most perfect way possible: he sanctified Mary in the first instance of her conception and preserved her entirely from sin and even from the inclination toward sin that we experience.

I’m not sure that Catholic dogma makes it necessary to believe the Blessed Theotokos was preserved from concupiscence or any other human ailment. I for one don’t believe that. She was filled with grace from her conception, but I don’t believe she was preserved from any other malady as those are attached to her nature as a human–original sin wasn’t–it was a separate issue…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[Syele]

  			Originally Posted by **elvisman** 					[forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3480557#post3480557) 				
  		***Because that passage is a classic*** case of *hyperbole* in order to make a point.

Do you REALLY believe that ALL have sinned?
What about the severly retarded or people with other severe mental disorders.
What about babies? Toddlers? Have they ALL sinned?
I think not.

By the grace of God, having lived a sinless life was possible for the Blessed Mother because she was spared from Original Sin.

Yet another definition of a word that means something different to Protestants and Catholics.

Do you REALLY believe that ALL have sinned?

yes.

What about the severly retarded or people with other severe mental disorders.

yes, how can they avoind sin when they do not understand that they should?

What about babies?

yes. Jacob and Esau fought even in the womb.

Toddlers?

Toddlers are notorious for not obeying and being difficult… ever heard of the terrible twos?

Have they ALL sinned?

yes they ALL sinned. They all have done things that are against God. That they do not understand does not mean that God somehow changes and likes their sin… it does mean that God is merciful and does not condemn them to hell for it. It does not cease to be sin just because God is merciful.

 

[whizkid43]

How about this one…

All were doomed to hell because of Adam. Jesus came and made the way. Those that believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ are saved. Those that don’t, perish.

What Gospel? The KJV Gospel, The Message Gospel, The NIV Gospel? Which one there are 100’s of different Gospels

And of those 100s of Gospels whose interpretations? Yours, Jim Jones’, David Koresh’s, Joesph Smith’s?

Martin Luther divided the body of Christ. If you want to see a Biblical analogy on the Protestant Church today, read Genesis 11:1-9.

Believers, do as your name says and come join us. We want you back!