Allah is Above what you think and imagine

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From Muslim Woman:
lol , never read OT ? How Jesus (pbuh) inspired OT figures to destroy the whole city if they are idol worshippers ? How Jesus (pbuh) inspired Moses , David (peace be upon them) to kill thousands & thousands & took virgins for the soldiers ??
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** It is a good question. Why did the Jesus, the god of the Catholics give such harsh orders to the Jews to kill every one. If Jesus did not give that order then his father god must have given the order to kill every one and not to spare any one.

Then 1400 years after Moses (a.s.) the policy was suddenly changed by Jesus, the god of the Catholics, to peacefulness and love.

It is not believable. Because in the bibleNT is written the words of Jesus: “Do you think that I have come to make peace in the world? No…” See real words as in bibleNT, Mathew 10:34-35…

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, **

There are very good lessons in Mathew chapter 4 to 10 onward. Jesus is teaching and preaching very well. We believe all that he taught.
 
a_slave_of_God said:
All the stoies you mentioned about Mohammad, I indeed challenge you to bring them from the Quran or the trustee books of Hadith Bukhary, Muslim.

But I will show you from the bible what Jesus said:

But as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!’" (Luke 19: 27)
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Okay, so you are stating that you have so little evidence that you will take a line of a parable out of context for a proof?

You have still not answered the fact that I have shown you that Mahomet was a liar, thief, rapist and murderer. As for your books of the Hadith, I will show you plenty, but you wish to restrain my quotes to be from those Hadith that are in favor now? I think not.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

dispute over all these will be solved on the final Day. Let’s wait.
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But you see, Muslim Woman, that we who worship the True God feel that to wait until the last day would be to condemn all Muslims to the fires which now house their “prophet”

Mahomet was a terrorist and a liar who attacked caravans during a holy month and then had a “revelation” to cover his tracks. This same man who longed to be accepted as a prophet of Judaism only attacked the Jews at Medina after he was rejected. Before the evil arrived at Medina there was peace between the Arabs and the Jews. It was only after Mahomet began to start trouble when problems began to occur. And thus it has been ever since.
 
Agabriel said:
Who knows if all the contradictions in the Quran are nothing but an indicator that Allah was deceiving you?
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“What! Can there be a doubt about Allâh, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? He calls you to forgive you of your sins and give you respite for a term appointed.”

O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. now hath come unto you light from Allah and plain Scripture, (15)

Whereby Allah guideth him who seeketh His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He bringeth them out of darkness unto light by His decree, and guideth them unto a straight path. (16)

They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah’s is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things. (17)

Don’t worry, there is no single contradiction in the Quran:
82. Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.

You will find only Thuth.
 
a_slave_of_God said:
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Don’t worry, there is no single contradiction in the Quran:

You will find only Thuth.
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In the Koran it is clear that allah does not know the key tenets of Christian orthodox belief. Muhammed didnt know that Christianity teaches a Trinity as ONE GOD comprised of 3 persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Muhammad thought Christians believe in THREE GODS: Father, Son and Virgin Mary. For some reason, he passed on this embarassing misunderstanding to the god, allah, that he invented. Now we see in sura 5: 1, 16 that apparently your god is not allknowing but his ignorance is a copy of that of the prophet… thoughtprovoking, isn’t it?
I think its embarrasing for you to have such a scripture and call it divinely inspired… Because of the view you have of your scripture, such one fallacy is enough to dispose of the whole book as a false book. Sorry but it is.

Salaam.
 
The christian view logically flawed,
you say that you believe God is 1 being but 3 persons
in other words 1 God =3 beings, or 1=3 which does not make any sense at all.

Perhaps what you mean to say is
1 God = 1 out of 3, in other words 1=1 which makes more sense.
 
GraceDK said:
In the Koran it is clear that allah does not know the key tenets of Christian orthodox belief. Muhammed didnt know that Christianity teaches a Trinity as ONE GOD comprised of 3 persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Muhammad thought Christians believe in THREE GODS: Father, Son and Virgin Mary. For some reason, he passed on this embarassing misunderstanding to the god, allah, that he invented. Now we see in sura 5: 1, 16 that apparently your god is not allknowing but his ignorance is a copy of that of the prophet… thoughtprovoking, isn’t it?
I think its embarrasing for you to have such a scripture and call it divinely inspired… Because of the view you have of your scripture, such one fallacy is enough to dispose of the whole book as a false book. Sorry but it is.

Salaam.
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yes i agree with you i read also their Quran, about the description of mohammad to TRINITY, ACTUALLY it is false! Hello moslems, find the Trinity described by your False prophet and Quran to all over the World! He is attacking the Church without WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE! Because he is MORON and IDIOT! If the words in Quran is False, or it is just the invention of Man(LEGEND) without facts, therefore the one who read and believe to this Book is also a Moron and Ignorant! Anyway, there’s a lot of examples of Moron Moslems! The Al qaeda, abu- sayyaf etc. . . According to these groups they are just doing their best to obey Quran! I pity all of you Guys who are embracing the Fallacy of Quran. Dont worry, I will pray all moslems that Jesus Christ will Open your hearts to the Truth and Facts and Save you from Fallacy teachings!
 
a_slave_of_God said:
This is the first topic I write here, so I like to begin with the most beautiful word in the world, that is:

(La ilah illaa Allah)

Indeed!

Allahu akhbar!
Allahu akhbar!
Ashahadu an la ilaha illallah, wa ashahadu anna Yasuadar Allah
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famdigy said:
The christian view logically flawed,
you say that you believe God is 1 being but 3 persons
in other words 1 God =3 beings, or 1=3 which does not make any sense at all.

Perhaps what you mean to say is
1 God = 1 out of 3, in other words 1=1 which makes more sense.
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Eh no… I didn’t say three beings. I said One God, One substance, three Persons totally united. We call God the Great Mystery. The Trinity is a mystery. And sorry, but because you cant fathom God’s inner life with your finite brain does not mean that it does not make any sense. It only means you are a finite creature, God is infinite. If you were to contain the mystery you would be scattered like stardust all over the universe.
To the biggest religion in the world the Trinity makes absolute sense. God is the creator of logic matematics so He makes sense. Christianity is not against science and we can handle the scrutiny of science on the world. Unlike the Muslim world where religious-criticism cannot be tolerated… of course… because that would mean the end of Islam.

The Moslems think that God has to be totally simple in order to be true. But thats an assumption which precisely does not make sense. God is not confused… you might be, but your confusion does not alter the being of God.

God is ONE. ONE SUBSTANCE. THREE PERSONS in complete unity and oneness. This is how the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has revealed Himself. He revealed Himself most fully in Christ. Actually: Christ revealed the HEART of God. The Gospel thereofre teach us: God is LOVE… We know that allah is not God because allah is morally inadequate by any ethical and moral standard, why also the Muslim world is one of suffering and darkness-

The one who does not have the Son does not have the Father.
Therefore He was born… because He loved us and wanted to make us children. In Christ we say ABBA-FATHER. We are personally in relationship with Him. HE acts intimately in our life… He is not an abstractum like your allah who never answers prayers and whose favour is conditioned by your good deeds. Do you know how a Father loves?

You remain slaves, according to your self.

Your scripture testifies to a god who was very influenced by the passions and lusts of men of flesh, and also by the same ignorance that was in them, as I have already illustrated by means of Muhamads false notion of the Christian teaching about the Trinity. If you have any scholarly honesty you will admit that is a problem and you have an explanation problem.

Your revelation is a contradiction to all the rest of covenant history. Your allah is no better than a criminal who even changes his mind at every season.

But God has sworn and does not repent: He is faithful, even when Israel is not faithful. He remains faithful because He cannot go against His own nature and promises… He has not changed his chosen ones for gentiles. Nor placed an ever- sinning non-jew as the seal of Israels prophets. To claim so would be absurd.

I will remind you that King David was not allowed to built the temple for God because he has fought in wars/ had blood on his hands. Please read the Old Testament. Only his son who was a king of peace was allowed to built the temple in Jerusalem. Yet you say that a killing rapist is the seal of prophets.
Shame on that!
 
Sura 5:1, 16 from Quran. It described that the TRINITY doctrine of the Catholic Church or Christians is the three Persons of the Father, the Son, and Virgin Mary. In sura of Quran, tries to say that the doctrine of the Church is false, especially the TRINITY. Again i want to Correct the Sura of Quran, the Catholic Church Believe in the TRINITY… God the Father, God the Son, And God the Holy Spirit. Since the Sura of Quran is completely WRONG. Their Quran itself told as from Al-Baqara(the cow) 13 and 42, “. . And when it said to them:Believe as the people believe they say: shall we believe the fools believe? now, surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know” and yes i Agree to that. . . And from Al-Baqara 42 says"and do not mix up the truth with the falsehood nor hide the truth while you know", again the Quran speaks to itself. First, Quran in Sura trying to mix the truth from falsehood, it said that the Trinity of Catholic Church that instead of Holy Spirit, the Quran Changed it to Virgin Mary. I think the author of Quran have no complete Idea about the Church he attacking! Therefore, he himself said that he is FOOL. Therefore he himself is the mixture of truth and Falsehood! I think, the Quran is actually the Book of Fallacy while the BIBLE is the Book Truth!
 
Dhugz said:
Sura 5:1, 16 from Quran. It described that the TRINITY doctrine of the Catholic Church or Christians is the three Persons of the Father, the Son, and Virgin Mary. In sura of Quran, tries to say that the doctrine of the Church is false, especially the TRINITY. Again i want to Correct the Sura of Quran, the Catholic Church Believe in the TRINITY… God the Father, God the Son, And God the Holy Spirit. Since the Sura of Quran is completely WRONG. Their Quran itself told as from Al-Baqara(the cow) 13 and 42, “. . And when it said to them:Believe as the people believe they say: shall we believe the fools believe? now, surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know” and yes i Agree to that. . . And from Al-Baqara 42 says"and do not mix up the truth with the falsehood nor hide the truth while you know", again the Quran speaks to itself. First, Quran in Sura trying to mix the truth from falsehood, it said that the Trinity of Catholic Church that instead of Holy Spirit, the Quran Changed it to Virgin Mary. I think the author of Quran have no complete Idea about the Church he attacking! Therefore, he himself said that he is FOOL. Therefore he himself is the mixture of truth and Falsehood! I think, the Quran is actually the Book of Fallacy while the BIBLE is the Book Truth!
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Exactly. And this is so much a problem for the Moslems because they believe the Koran is not only inspired by God but written by people, but they believe its the uncreated divine word of god… almost actually like the book is a god itself… which is also problematic from a monotheistic standpoint but thats another something I came to think about…

So u have a HUGE problem, okay.

Peace…
 
Dhugz said:
Your Quran is uninspired Book, it is made by evil with hatred. . . God want Peace and Christ too! Mohammad want War not Peace!
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The Quran is not your word, so it is not made by evil with hatred.
  1. Wa innahu latanzeelu Rabbil aalameen
  2. Nazala bihir ruhul ameen
  3. Ala qualbicka litakuona minal munthireen
  4. bilisanin arabiyyin mubeen
  5. wa innahu lafee zuburil awwaleen
  6. awalam yakun lahum ayatan an yaalamahu ulama’uo bunee israel?
means:
  1. And truly, this (the Qur’ân) is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
  2. Which the trustworthy Spirit (Gabriel) has brought down;
  3. Upon your heart (O Muhammad PBUH) that you may be (one) of the warners,
  4. In the plain Arabic language.
  5. And verily, it is (announced) in the Scriptures of former people.
  6. Is it not a sign to them that the learned scholars (like 'Abdullâh bin Salâm who embraced Islâm) of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?
Dhugz said:
All of us is created by God, therefore God dont want us to fight others. . . .
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Yes, of course, but I see you are uttering bad word against our Noble Creator and His messenger, so you are the bad and not peacefull.

Allah is more beloved for us than ourselves.

Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
 
a_slave_of_God said:
The Quran is not your word, so it is not made by evil with hatred.
  1. Wa innahu latanzeelu Rabbil aalameen
  2. Nazala bihir ruhul ameen
  3. Ala qualbicka litakuona minal munthireen
  4. bilisanin arabiyyin mubeen
  5. wa innahu lafee zuburil awwaleen
  6. awalam yakun lahum ayatan an yaalamahu ulama’uo bunee israel?
means:
  1. And truly, this (the Qur’ân) is a revelation from the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists),
  2. Which the trustworthy Spirit (Gabriel) has brought down;
  3. Upon your heart (O Muhammad PBUH) that you may be (one) of the warners,
  4. In the plain Arabic language.
  5. And verily, it is (announced) in the Scriptures of former people.
  6. Is it not a sign to them that the learned scholars (like 'Abdullâh bin Salâm who embraced Islâm) of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?
Yes, of course, but I see you are uttering bad word against our Noble Creator and His messenger, so you are the bad and not peacefull.

Allah is more beloved for us than ourselves.

Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
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Would you please enter into a discussion since you have started this thread? There has been some serious questions raised which show that the Koran is a very fallible book. I hope you will seek to answer these issues of my posts instead of talking about your immediate emotions.

Peace.
Ps.Please go one page back to see what I wrote
 
Thorwald said:
After you have finished ‘patting each other on the back’, you might explain to the ‘ignorant’ rest of us, what the provision for your sins are, in your religion. In the O/T times, an unblemished lamb was sacrificed. In the N/T times, Jesus Christ becomes the sacrifice. What is your sacrifice for your sins? :confused:

Thorwald Johansen
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Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him said:

Allah said what means:
“O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth, and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as it.”

Allah! There is no God but He,
the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal.
No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep.
All things in heaven and earth are His.
Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
He knows what appears in front of and behind His creatures.
Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills.
His throne extends over the heavens and the earth,
and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them,
And He is The High, The Great.
[Quran 2: 255]
 
a_slave_of_God said:
  1. Wa innahu latanzeelu Rabbil aalameen
  2. Nazala bihir ruhul ameen
  3. Ala qualbicka litakuona minal munthireen
  4. bilisanin arabiyyin mubeen
  5. wa innahu lafee zuburil awwaleen
  6. awalam yakun lahum ayatan an yaalamahu ulama’uo bunee israel?
means:
  1. And truly, this (the Qur’ân) is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
  2. Which the trustworthy Spirit (Gabriel) has brought down;
  3. Upon your heart (O Muhammad PBUH) that you may be (one) of the warners,
  4. In the plain Arabic language.
  5. And verily, it is (announced) in the Scriptures of former people.
  6. Is it not a sign to them that the learned scholars (like 'Abdullâh bin Salâm who embraced Islâm) of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?
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192: So much so that demons sing its praises as noted in Sura 72
193: You cannot prove the speaker is Gabriel.
194: Mohammed did not know who roughed him up in that cave.
195: Moslems limit God, restricting the ability to understand to a single form of speech.
196: Mohammed is not mentioned directly but is infered in Matthew 7:15
197: Dr. Sam Solomon embraced Christianity. Who is 'Abdullâh bin Salâm?
 
God the Father in Heaven, Hallowed be thy name thy kingdom Come, thy will be Done on earth as it is in Heaven! Give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us our sins as we forgive those againts us, do not bring us to the test but deliver us FROM Evil. Amen!
 
Father in Heaven, Please help us to bring the Truth to those who are in the Darkness. Give them the Signs and miracles so that they will believe to us. O Jesus the Son of God, the Christ help your Flock to feed the world, with the bread of your words, so that the promise you have given to your Church will also be given to all nations! Open the eyes of the Blinds, open the heart to those who do not accept that you died on the Cross for the Salvation of the world. . . We ask these through Christ our Lord Amen!
 
LORD God, give Peace to Us. Please help our Moslem Brothers to embrace the true Peace, especially to the terrorists. . Help them to find the true meaning of Peace, i know Lord, that still they are your children, because we’re all came to your hands. Help us O Lord to be united, to open our hearts to each other, to live with them as our true Brothers and Sisters. O Lord I know that you dont want us to fight each other since we are all your Children. Jesus help us, give us peace! Forgive our sins, and help us to repent. Help us to fight evil, the evil words, the evil works, the evil mind!! In Jesus Name, Amen. . .
 
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