Allah is Above what you think and imagine

[Agabriel]

You need to know that you are wrong, so be careful.

The Truth destroys the lies and their generators.

Blessed be The Truth.

1. … And know that Allâh knows what is in your minds, so fear Him. And know that Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing.

Be careful of what? Just because we do not buy into Allah being YHWH? After reading the Quran not only do I not God, but that Muhammad is not a prophet but just a warlord who realized that once he gained some power he just pushed his agenda onto others. We see that even today not only in Islam, but also in other political movements such as communism.

You can believe what you want to believe, but do not tell us to be careful. Especially since your Allah is the great deceiver. Who knows if all the contradictions in the Quran are nothing but an indicator that Allah was deceiving you? Does predestination bypass all the rules and regulations that you are supposed to follow?

 

[GraceDK]

Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him and his family is not the one whom you described.

Any way, I will let Jesus speak to you through your bible:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household."

So, I think you need to correct your thought about Mohammad after this or spend your life living in confusion.

I will pray for you that you come out of the darkness.

• All the Praises and Thanks be Allah the Lord of the worlds.

Thats true… Jesus speaks about the Sword… even a TWO EDGED SWORD. You get what I am saying already if you ever read the New Testament but I believe you haven’t because you are afraid of what you will find there.
Jesus mentions the Sword but He calls His own Words the Two-edged SWORD that will cut the marrow from the bone in those who hear Him. You see, He never spoke about violence, He spoke about His WORD. He is that Word, and when we proclaim HIM in Muslim lands we are slain, in the spirit of your idol. When the world hears this Word it feels guilty because it has loved the darkness more than the light… so it wants to hide.

YET, God pursues His creature like a Lover pursuing His Beloved. He wants you too.

You do not understand Scripture. Again its so typically from Muslims when I point out some really bad unexcusable things in the Koran you all get busy saying: “Look somewhere else”, instead of trying to explain. So you never convince anyone.
I have a Muslim friend who at least has the guts to say: “YES that is stinking bad, what Muhammed did… and I can’t excuse it…just say that’s some old stuff …”

What darkness is it you want me to excape from? Jesus calls Himself the Light and since He revealed Himself to me I have loved and had peace in my heart like never before. I am happy and I know where I am going.
I even love you so badly I want you to have the true freedom and a real relationship with your Father in Heaven. Jesus said: “Who the Son sets free, is free indeed”. Amen!

You want to talk to us Christians… then read the Gospels as a minimum. Okay? Shukran.

Salaam and Peace.

 

[a_slave_of_God]

That is certainly true. Especially for us women… I prefer the Christian idea of heaven by far. I don’t prefer to be in some Muslim martyr’s haram… If you know what I mean.
Islam is a religion of the flesh. Its very sensual in all ways, and also sexual. Christianity is a satiation for the Spirit. To behold God, to bask in His Love to be in total Peace.
Truth is Beauty.

Setting aside all the sexual and party images from Islam in heaven, what you see is an immature version of heaven versus a mature one with Christianity. One is a place of pleasure where we are happy because we have stuff. The other is a place of happiness because we are in full union with God unincumbered by human limitations.

1. Allâh has promised to the believers -men and women, - Gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein forever, and beautiful mansions in Gardens of 'Adn (Eden Paradise). But the greatest bliss is the Pleasure of Allâh. That is the supreme success.

 

[Dhugz]

Our Father want all man to be his Children, that’s why He sent his only begotten Son to send his message, and to save us! Even moslems can be if they hear and listen to the Word of God, that they must believe in Jesus as Christ, and be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost! We love you my moslem brothers and sisters, open your mind! Dont be afraid, be part of Christ’s Church! Your Quran is uninspired Book, it is made by evil with hatred. . . God want Peace and Christ too! Mohammad want War not Peace! All of us is created by God, therefore God dont want us to fight others. . . .

 

[Thorwald]

Wa alykum assalam

thank you very much dear sister.

After you have finished ‘patting each other on the back’, you might explain to the ‘ignorant’ rest of us, what the provision for your sins are, in your religion. In the O/T times, an unblemished lamb was sacrificed. In the N/T times, Jesus Christ becomes the sacrifice. What is your sacrifice for your sins?

Thorwald Johansen

 

[GraceDK]

1. Allâh has promised to the believers -men and women, - Gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein forever, and beautiful mansions in Gardens of 'Adn (Eden Paradise). But the greatest bliss is the Pleasure of Allâh. That is the supreme success.

I am sorry, but since I don’t regard Muhammed’s god as being a good person, I do not wish to be with him in eternity.

Open your eyes. The True God is waiting for you with arms wide open.
You think you have scales waiting for you to measure if your good deeds are enough to get you to paradize. You have an angel on the left and right side of you noting down your sins and good deeds. This is not so!

Let me tell you this: the wages of sin is death. So God has always said. You cannot clean yourself. Atonement was needed for all of us. The atoning blood is only in Christ. Because He is God He alone can atone for all mankind, like Thorwals also said.

If you read the Old Testament you will see numerous prophesies about Yeshua the Messiah. You will also learn about covenant history, a concept that is the center of Judaism and Christianity but totally unknown for Muslims. Its the center for a good reason. God is ever faithful… He still loves His chosen people.

Read the New Testament as a minimum. Alright?

 

[a_slave_of_God]

I think Allah is an arabic word refering to God of Israel, meaning the Jews and Christians. Mohammad described allah in contradiction to God of Israel.

My poem is based on the messege of the prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him and his family.

I could not know the description of Allah without prophet Mohammad ,prayer and peace be upon him. He is my Way to Allah and each messenger is the only way to Allah for the people whom Allah send him for.

Prophet Mohammad was send to all huminity.

1. And We have sent you (O Muhammad PAPBUH) not but as a mercy for the worlds.

If your god is different than The One I have mentioned based on the Quran and the speach of the prophet Mohammad PAPBUH, then you are the people who contradict what God has said about Himself.
…

Now let me talk to atheists ,if there are some, to correct what might come of errors in their mind:

People cannot go to God but through the prophets peace be upon them.

This word doesn’t mean that God is proven only by Books.

When we see a hotel, we the people of mind, already realise that there is a creator of that hotel even if we don’t know that person who has designed it.

Likewise, we already know by logic that there must be a Creator for this accurate universe and we think that He should be Greater than every thing, this is a matter of logic, but we don’t know the details of His High description and how we can come near to Him but through the prophets PAPBUT.

In the day of Judgment, we all will know the Glorified and High Exalted be He, but some people (the disbelievers) will be disgraced and rejected, they shall not be Honered by a Glance at Him The Peace.

1. Wojoohun yowma ithin nâdirah
2. ila Rabbiha nathirah
3. wa Wojoohun yowma ithin bâsirah
4. tazhunnu un yuf’ala biha faquirah

Which means:

1. Some faces that Day shall be Nâdirah (shining and radiant).
2. Looking at their Lord (Allâh);
3. And some faces, that Day, will be Bâsirah (dark, gloomy, frowning, and sad),
4. Thinking that some calamity is about to fall on them;

 

[Dhugz]

Lets pray for moslems, so that God may enlighten them. . . We Christians shouldnt attack our moslem brothers, what is our mission is to save them from hell. Be patient in preaching them, im calling all Christians to evangelize our moslem brothers, we should understand that it is a challenge on how to preach them and to convert them in the Catholic Church, the Church founded by Jesus Christ! In Jesus name, you moslems should open your heart and mind to understand the gospel of Jesus. . . .In Jesus name,our moslem brothers around the world, please study the history of your Religion, the works of mohammad and also the History of the Holy Tradition of the Church, our Bible and your Quran, compare them according to norms and standards of universal moral and values. . . . . . . . . . . .

 

[Dhugz]

Here is the link ofTrue history of Islam and Mohammad
bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

 

[a_slave_of_God]

Examine first your Mohammad! Why mohammad recognized the Books of Jews and the Bible as a light? He is Confused?! Open your Mind Brothers and Sisters, The True GOD is God of Peace, and all his messenger is Prophet of Peace!

1. Verily, We did send down the Taurât (Torah) [to Mûsa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allâh’s Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurât (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allâh’s Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the disbelievers.
2. And We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong*doers).
3. And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
4. Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allâh has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fâsiqûn (the rebellious i.e. disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allâh.
5. And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur’ân) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Mohayminan (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures). So judge between them by what Allâh has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If Allâh willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He) may test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good deeds. The return of you (all) is to Allâh; then He will inform you about that in which you used to differ.

 

[Booklover]

My poem is based on the messege of the prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him and his family.

I could not know the description of Allah without prophet Mohammad ,prayer and peace be upon him. He is my Way to Allah and each messenger is the only way to Allah for the people whom Allah send him for.

Prophet Mohammad was send to all huminity.

1. And We have sent you (O Muhammad PAPBUH) not but as a mercy for the worlds.

If your god is different than The One I have mentioned based on the Quran and the speach of the prophet Mohammad PAPBUH, then you are the people who contradict what God has said about Himself.
…

Now let me talk to atheists ,if there are some, to correct what might come of errors in their mind:

People cannot go to God but through the prophets peace be upon them.

This word doesn’t mean that God is proven only by Books.

When we see a hotel, we the people of mind, already realise that there is a creator of that hotel even if we don’t know that person who has designed it.

Likewise, we already know by logic that there must be a Creator for this accurate universe and we think that He should be Greater than every thing, this is a matter of logic, but we don’t know the details of His High description and how we can come near to Him but through the prophets PAPBUT.

In the day of Judgment, we all will know the Glorified and High Exalted be He, but some people (the disbelievers) will be disgraced and rejected, they shall not be Honered by a Glance at Him The Peace.

1. Wojoohun yowma ithin nâdirah
2. ila Rabbiha nathirah
3. wa Wojoohun yowma ithin bâsirah
4. tazhunnu un yuf’ala biha faquirah

Which means:

1. Some faces that Day shall be Nâdirah (shining and radiant).
2. Looking at their Lord (Allâh);
3. And some faces, that Day, will be Bâsirah (dark, gloomy, frowning, and sad),
4. Thinking that some calamity is about to fall on them;

Where is your proof that Muhammad was sent to all mankind? The Quran was written for his followers only. It speaks badly of the unbelievers and even endorses violence towards them. So how can it be meant for everyone? Didn’t he want Arabia only for himself and his followers and he expelled everyone else? How is that universal?

And no, the god of the Quran is not the God I know! The God I know does not mislead anyone as your Allah does. He loves everyone and wants us all to be saved, unlike the god of Islam who only loves Muslims and delights in tormenting everyone else.

Why are Muhammad and Allah so similar in the way they act? Can you tell us?

Vickie

 

[GraceDK]

Lets pray for moslems, so that God may enlighten them. . . We Christians shouldnt attack our moslem brothers, what is our mission is to save them from hell. Be patient in preaching them, im calling all Christians to evangelize our moslem brothers, we should understand that it is a challenge on how to preach them and to convert them in the Catholic Church, the Church founded by Jesus Christ! In Jesus name, you moslems should open your heart and mind to understand the gospel of Jesus. . . .In Jesus name,our moslem brothers around the world, please study the history of your Religion, the works of mohammad and also the History of the Holy Tradition of the Church, our Bible and your Quran, compare them according to norms and standards of universal moral and values. . . . . . . . . . . .

Amen, Amen.

I don’t believe we should attack anyone either. Of course not. Violence is not part of the Christian way. Neither is verbal abuse. However, true LOVE is to warn people when they are following the way to perdition, and to challenge their views so that they can be helped free from the chains that bind them…

Idifference is a hideout for hatred. If we love the Muslim we will tell him about Christ, so that he may have life in fullness.

Peace.

 

[ralphinal]

1. Allâh has promised to the believers -men and women, - Gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein forever, and beautiful mansions in Gardens of 'Adn (Eden Paradise). But the greatest bliss is the Pleasure of Allâh. That is the supreme success.

And Jesus promised that those who are faithful to him will be with him and the Father in Heaven. You have just proven my point.

Christian heaven is eternal bliss from being with God. Muslim heaven is a place of physical pleasure.

Can you not see the difference? One is a mature understanding based on a desire to be what we are with God: Human BEINGS. We are made to BE with God. The other is an immmature view based on desires. We are not Human desirings.

 

[M0nkey]

Allah is Above what you think and imagine

Of course he is, that is why he became flesh in Jesus Christ

 

[a_slave_of_God]

Exactly brother.

Muhammad was confused.
Even more so, he was of the line of Ishmael. He was not a Jew. All the other prophets were Jews and sent to the people of Israel. Even Jesus was sent to Israel primarily. His apostles were then sent to the gentiles.
But Muhammad wanted to slay Israel, because they of course did not recognize him as a prophet. He fits none of the criteria to be a prophet.
I am so grieved for the Muslims that they have been lied to.

Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him taught us to respect all the prophets: Jesus, Mosus, David, Solomon, Joun, Zakariya, etc, peace be upon them all.

Never you will find a muslim mocking at any prophet.

You said that Jesus was sent to Israel primarily, so listen to what he said to his people:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household."

So, either Jesus was saying that he came to fight the people who are not Israeli ones, or he ment that he came to fight the jews themselves, this is why they tried to kill him.

I believe Jesus is peaceful and not racist.

So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews.

Peace be upon Jesus.

 

[Booklover]

Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him taught us to respect all the prophets: Jesus, Mosus, David, Solomon, Joun, Zakariya, etc, peace be upon them all.

Never you will find a muslim mocking at any prophet.

You said that Jesus was sent to Israel primarily, so listen to what he said to his people:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household."

So, either Jesus was saying that he came to fight the people who are not Israeli ones, or he ment that he came to fight the jews themselves, this is why they tried to kill him.

I believe Jesus is peaceful and not racist.

So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews.

Peace be upon Jesus.

Why do you keep repeating the same verses from the Bible over and over? They’ve already been explained to you so stop giving them an Islamic meaning. You understand nothing about the Bible or Jesus and your hatred of the Jews is revolting.

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him taught us to respect all the prophets: Jesus, Mosus, David, Solomon, Joun, Zakariya, etc, peace be upon them all.

Never you will find a muslim mocking at any prophet.

You said that Jesus was sent to Israel primarily, so listen to what he said to his people:
"**Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. **And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household."

So, either Jesus was saying that he came to fight the people who are not Israeli ones, or he ment that he came to fight the jews themselves, this is why they tried to kill him.

I believe Jesus is peaceful and not racist.

So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews.

Peace be upon Jesus.

You posted the same thing and I already answered it. Didn’t you read post #38… It seems not so I here it is…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4989181&postcount=38

 

[GraceDK]

Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him taught us to respect all the prophets: Jesus, Mosus, David, Solomon, Joun, Zakariya, etc, peace be upon them all.

Never you will find a muslim mocking at any prophet.

You said that Jesus was sent to Israel primarily, so listen to what he said to his people:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household."

So, either Jesus was saying that he came to fight the people who are not Israeli ones, or he ment that he came to fight the jews themselves, this is why they tried to kill him.

I believe Jesus is peaceful and not racist.

So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews.

Peace be upon Jesus.

I have already commented on that Biblical passage but you have overlooked my response perhaps. When people wanted to make Jesus a king He declined and went away to pray. When He was on the Cross and the people mocked Him He prayed and said: “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.” Do you see, friend, that the spirit of Jesus was different than the one that was in Muhammad? Jesus was not a politician. He came for the sinners and the lost. He was the Messiah and He said: “My Kingdom is not off this world.”

You mention the sword, but you just prove you dont know Jesus nor the Bible. I give you some quotes:
" The Word of God is sharper than a double-edged Sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitutes of the heart." And “His (Jesus’) eyes were like blazing fire… and out of his mouth came a sharp double-egded sword: He said: I am the Living One; I was dead and behold I live forever and ever”.

The Sword that Jesus brings is His Word. Indeed it has broken many homes when a person became Christian and the others remained Muslims and they wanted to kill the Christian.

Also, when Jesus was caught by the soldiers, His disciple Peter tried to fight back. he cut off the ear of a soldier-servant. But Jesus admonished him and said: “What are you doing! those who resort to the sword shall die by the sword.” And then He healed the man’s ear, because He loved even a man who had come to seize Him.

Look, you try so desperately to find a place where Jesus uses violence or encourages it. You are grasping for a straw. We as Christians today say we are sorry and please forgive us for the times where Christians have used violence. We know they were wrong and they had no right, because the Spirit of Christ is non-violent. You cant find violence in the testimony of Jesus. But your own prophet sanctions violence and torture and rape even.

I encourage you with all respect to study on in the New Testament, and also in the Hadith of your prophet. A Christian brother of mine who was once a Muslim said: “I cried when I read about what Muhammad did. I realised Jesus was the trustworthy and pure one”.

As for the Jewish people, your own words speak volumes about the darkness and sickness in Islam. Israel is the apple of God’s eye. So it is written. Not because they are better than me and you, but because God wanted it. That simple.

Salaam and Peace be on you and your house.

 

[Booklover]

I have already commented on that Biblical passage but you have overlooked my response perhaps. When people wanted to make Jesus a king He declined and went away to pray. When He was on the Cross and the people mocked Him He prayed and said: “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.” Do you see, friend, that the spirit of Jesus was different than the one that was in Muhammad? Jesus was not a politician. He came for the sinners and the lost. He was the Messiah and He said: “My Kingdom is not off this world.”

You mention the sword, but you just prove you dont know Jesus nor the Bible. I give you some quotes:
" The Word of God is sharper than a double-edged Sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitutes of the heart." And “His (Jesus’) eyes were like blazing fire… and out of his mouth came a sharp double-egded sword: He said: I am the Living One; I was dead and behold I live forever and ever”.

The Sword that Jesus brings is His Word. Indeed it has broken many homes when a person became Christian and the others remained Muslims and they wanted to kill the Christian.

Also, when Jesus was caught by the soldiers, His disciple Peter tried to fight back. he cut off the ear of a soldier-servant. But Jesus admonished him and said: “What are you doing! those who resort to the sword shall die by the sword.” And then He healed the man’s ear, because He loved even a man who had come to seize Him.

Look, you try so desperately to find a place where Jesus uses violence or encourages it. You are grasping for a straw. We as Christians today say we are sorry and please forgive us for the times where Christians have used violence. We know they were wrong and they had no right, because the Spirit of Christ is non-violent. You cant find violence in the testimony of Jesus. But your own prophet sanctions violence and torture and rape even.

I encourage you with all respect to study on in the New Testament, and also in the Hadith of your prophet. A Christian brother of mine who was once a Muslim said: “I cried when I read about what Muhammad did. I realised Jesus was the trustworthy and pure one”.

As for the Jewish people, your own words speak volumes about the darkness and sickness in Islam. Israel is the apple of God’s eye. So it is written. Not because they are better than me and you, but because God wanted it. That simple.

Salaam and Peace be on you and your house.

Vickie

 

[conflicted1]

I believe Jesus is peaceful and not racist.

***So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews.

---

Peace be upon Jesus.

And once again a muslim slips up and shows its true colours. Kind of like the time planten practically screamed “GOD DOES NOT NEED LOVE! LOVE IS A USELESS THING!”

Jesus was not a racist but anyone who points out the questionable parts of islam is considered a racist.

But…So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews. is NOT racist in a muslim’s mind.

Seriously, folks, you will NEVER have a dialogue with muslims. You cannot win them over with kindness, virtue and respect. I have lived among muslims for many years. I know and have known muslims from many different backgrounds and cultures and when questioned enough they all spew the same vile, racist supremacist venom. I only play nice with them to “keep my friends close but keep my enemies closer.”

For the most part they are great people, respectful, kind, helpful; all the good qualities we tend to choose our friends for. But, don’t kid yourselves; If the political islamists gain enough power to start influencing laws in our countries, which way do you think these sweet and cuddly muslims will vote?

Let’s not forget what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany. I am sure most German people were great friends with the Jews, but when the Nazis started to gain power and institute anti-Jewish pogroms, very few Germans were willing to help their Jewish friends and neighbours. Some even turned in their former friends!

When the political islamists start to affect changes that systematically destroy our ways of life, our cultures and our religions do you really think the cute and cuddly muslims will be protesting in the streets like they are protesting over the conflict in the Gaza strip…?

Tell me, is the allah of islam who inspires the us (muslims) versus them (anyone not muslim) mentality and who has no use for love and inspires the following sentiment in the minds of its slaves:

“So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews,”

the same God of Judaism and Christianity who loves all his creations, commands us to love even our enemies and calls us his children and not his slaves?

I am offended that these RACISTS DARE say that allah is the same as my God who loves me! I am so offended I will go fire bomb the Blue Mosque tomorrow and when I am finished with demonstrating how offended I am I will demand that the Turkish government ban the call to prayer every morning because it interrupts my sleep and offends my religion because it is a call to pray to allah who offends me deeply! If they refuse to cease the call to prayer I will call them racists and bigots and demand that they respect me and my perfect religion because it is the perfect religion and the ONLY RELIGION FOR ALL OF MANKIND BECAUSE JESUS TOLD ME SO!