Allah is Above what you think and imagine

[planten]

Something about this reasoning does not make sense to me. Muhammad had to order all Jews, Christians, and others out of Arabia lest Allah’s message be “unclear”? What does one have to do with the other? Why couldn’t the Qur’an and the religion built upon it stand among the religions that were already there, particularly if it was convinced of its own pedigree?

**Dzhereme, nobody turned out the Jews and Christians out of Arabia. (Mostly Jews). You should first know that why the Jews were there in the first place.

Jews were setteled in and around Madinah because their prophecies told them “That Prophet” of Deut 18:18 was going to be born in that area. But when the prophet appeared in Makkah and started his preaching, the Jews disbelieved. When the prophet had to run for his life in year 622 A.D. and he migrated to Madinah, and he made a pact with the Jews for peaceful co-existence in Madinah, the Jews violated that pact every time.

Can you tell me why the highly monotheistic Jews had to collaborate with the pagans against the prophet? What those Jews had anything in common with the pagans of Arabia?. The Jews sided with the Pagans even in times of war thus intending to cause harm to the Muslims. One Jewess tried to poison the prophet. Keep all this in the log of activities of the Jews, please.

Otherwise Muslims had nothing against the Jews.**

What would non-Muslims have to do with distorting the message of the Qur’an when they did not take a thing from it in terms of guidance or ritual in the first place? Rather the opposite happened, with Muslim religious chant and architecture obviously inheriting many characteristics from the eastern Christianity that ruled the places that are now “Islamic”.

There was no danger to the Muslims and Islam from the Jews. They could never corrupt the Quran. The Jews may have had to go away for misbehavior and misdeeds mentioned above, not for the fear that they will corrupt any of the Muslims ways…

You ought not to use such examples on a Christian message board, my friend. The spread of Islam among the Habesha, for instance, reveals the Christian love and Charity of the Axumite king, not the truth of Muhammad’s supposed universiality

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** Why not?. The prophet wrote letters of peaceful co-existence to the kings of Persia, Rome and Egypt. The king of Egypt sent a good reply and some gifts. The King of Rome (Christian, catholic) also was convinced of the truth of the prophet. But his Priests did not allow him to act in the right direction. However he also sent back a good reply.

The King of Persia tore the letter of the Prophet Muhammad into pieces. When the news reached the prophet about the fate of his letter, he said that the kingdom of Persia will be torn into pieces. That was by his vision, not due to any ill will.

Now, I present something from bibleOT : Habakkuk chapter 3. That is a prophecy about the appearance of a great prophet from Arabia (See Teman. And Paran.). It exactly happened like that. The tents of Cushan (Palestine) were in distress and the dwellings of Midian (Persian) in anguish when the forces of Muhammad moved to Palestine and Persia… Please note the word “his praise”. Praise is called “Hamd” in Arabic. That was Muhammad, the praised one. .**

**Habakkuk’s Prayer
1 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet. On shigionoth .
3 God came from Teman,
the Holy One from Mount Paran.
Selah
His glory covered the heavens
and his praise **filled the earth.
4 His splendor was like the sunrise;
rays flashed from his hand,
where his power was hidden.
5 Plague went before him;
pestilence followed his steps.
6 He stood, and shook the earth;
he looked, and made the nations tremble.
The ancient mountains crumbled
and the age-old hills collapsed.
His ways are eternal.
7 I saw the tents of Cushan in distress,
the dwellings of Midian in anguish.

 

[M0nkey]

Yes… also its seems that a Moslem’s assumption is that simplicity equals truth.

I agree, Muslims have a reductionist view of the trinity. You can’t just mold God to your preconceived notion that your limited mind may understand.

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8.58

 

[GraceDK]

All muslims believe that those who followed Jesus PBUH will be with him in Paradise, because Jesus is a prophet and he was the way to God for his people.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]"

Have you ever heared trinity in the previous Holy Books or is it a new concept that intorduced by the chruch?

May Allah guide you and me to Himself and protect us from the fictions.

Invoke God, He is The Guider, The Light.
Don’t you need Him, so invoke Him and He will Honer you.

Blessed be Allah, The Lord of the Worlds.

Actually the Trinity came to Abraham… have you not read the Old Testament? It says: "Once upon a time God showed himself to Abraham: he looked up and saw THREE MEN. Abraham ran to them and threw himself down on the arth infront of them and he said: LORD… ".
Also the Trinity is in the very first verses of genesis: God said: “Let US create human beings in our image and likeness so they resemble us”.

You say we who follow Christ will be saved. But you know that we worship Christ and in your eyes that is shirk, the sin of polytheism. You do not need to try and flatter us.
Jesus said: “The one who does not have the Son, does not have the Father”.

Peace.

 

[cthulhubryan]

**Dzhereme, nobody turned out the Jews and Christians out of Arabia. (Mostly Jews). You should first know that why the Jews were there in the first place.

Jews were setteled in and around Madinah because their prophecies told them “That Prophet” of Deut 18:18 was going to be born in that area. But when the prophet appeared in Makkah and started his preaching, the Jews disbelieved. When the prophet had to run for his life in year 622 A.D. and he migrated to Madinah, and he made a pact with the Jews for peaceful co-existence in Madinah, the Jews violated that pact every time.

Can you tell me why the highly monotheistic Jews had to collaborate with the pagans against the prophet? What those Jews had anything in common with the pagans of Arabia?. The Jews sided with the Pagans even in times of war thus intending to cause harm to the Muslims. One Jewess tried to poison the prophet. Keep all this in the log of activities of the Jews, please.

Otherwise Muslims had nothing against the Jews.**

Mahomet wanted desperately to be that prophet. After he was rejected by the Jews, he moved to Medina (Madinah). It was there that he began raiding and killing innocents. He also instituted the infighting between the Arab Tribes and the Jews. At first the Jews and the pagan Arab tribes did join together against Mahomet but after his followers actually suceeded on a raid (the first he did not lead) but it was during a holy month which was immoral so he had to invent another revelation to excuse it. This is why the Jews and the pagans initially were against Mahomet. After he gained some terrorist successes (including sending his men into the tent of a female poet to remove a suckling infant and then murder her) that the Arabs fell in line with him to avoid death at his hands.

 

[GraceDK]

** he made a pact with the Jews for peaceful co-existence in Madinah, the Jews violated that pact every time.

Can you tell me why the highly monotheistic Jews had to collaborate with the pagans against the prophet? What those Jews had anything in common with the pagans of Arabia?. The Jews sided with the Pagans even in times of war thus intending to cause harm to the Muslims. One Jewess tried to poison the prophet. Keep all this in the log of activities of the Jews, please.

Otherwise Muslims had nothing against the Jews.**

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Eh?
In AD 627, Muhammad committed an atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza. He beheaded the men (600) and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children. In doing this, he wiped an entire tribe “off the map” to use the language of the President of Iran, recently. When he came to them he called out to them first: “You brothers of apes!”

Muhammad massacred these people. Would you please explain why you call islam the religion of peace since it has slaughtered, raped and taken prisoners from the very begining? What is it in you that so keenly wishes to uphold an illusion? This guy you see as your big example was a criminal…

 

[planten]

Eh?
In AD 627, Muhammad committed an atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza. He beheaded the men (600) and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children. In doing this, he wiped an entire tribe “off the map” to use the language of the President of Iran, recently. When he came to them he called out to them first: “You brothers of apes!”

Muhammad massacred these people. Would you please explain why you call islam the religion of peace since it has slaughtered, raped and taken prisoners from the very begining? What is it in you that so keenly wishes to uphold an illusion? This guy you see as your big example was a criminal…

** I know such a thing happened. But your’s is a one sided story and it is not presented from the original record. What was the crime of the Jews is not mentioned by you at all.

If I tell you that Jewish tribe stabbed the Muslims in the back when Muslims were in great difficulty (situation of war against the pagans). Why the Jews took side with the pagans when they had a treaty with the Muslims?

The Arab pagans had surrounded and laid siege to Madinah with large number of fighters. They prolonged the siege for sometime and it was a very difficult time for the inhabitants of Madinah. At such a dificult time, the Jews collaborated with the Pagans against the Muslims. So they had become an enemy, liable to be killed.

After Arab pagans fled and the seige was lifted, it was necessary to deal with the Jews. A Judge was appointed with the consent of the Jews and they said that the Judgement of that person will be acceptable. That Judge (Whoever he was) passed the judgement that the male members must be killed… etc.

There was no other way. Muhammad did nothing to kill the Jews. try to see all the incident please.

If you read the bibleOT, you will find that the Jews were killing the innocent Palestinians and many other natioins mercilessly, not even sparing their woman and children. Was that justified? That was without any fault of the poor Palestinians in the time of Joshua a.s.

Who gave the Jews the order to kill all enmasse? Did not your God Jesus give them the order to kill every one? What do you say about That? If you are an advocate for the Jews then please reply to what the Jews had been doing at all times. Thanks.**

 

[madabkr4tx]

Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him taught us to respect all the prophets: Jesus, Mosus, David, Solomon, Joun, Zakariya, etc, peace be upon them all.

I believe Jesus is peaceful and not racist.

So, I think the peace will be only after clearing the Earth from the jews.

Peace be upon Jesus.

Gee, that’s not racist at all.

How can you say the Jesus was a moral man and a prophet and claim at the same time that he was lying about who he was: The Son of God?

 

[GraceDK]

** I know such a thing happened. But your’s is a one sided story and it is not presented from the original record. What was the crime of the Jews is not mentioned by you at all.

If I tell you that Jewish tribe stabbed the Muslims in the back when Muslims were in great difficulty (situation of war against the pagans). Why the Jews took side with the pagans when they had a treaty with the Muslims?

If you read the bibleOT, you will find that the Jews were killing the innocent Palestinians and many other natioins mercilessly, not even sparing their woman and children. Was that justified? That was without any fault of the poor Palestinians in the time of Joshua a.s.

Who gave the Jews the order to kill all enmasse? Did not your God Jesus give them the order to kill every one? What do you say about That? If you are an advocate for the Jews then please reply to what the Jews had been doing at all times. Thanks.**

As far as I have red, the Jews were against Muhammad (I certainly would have been too). Yet when they pleaded for mercy and one of Muhammad’s men felt compassion Muhammad gave him a sign to indicate he intended slaughter.
What we see is not actually a war situation. What we see is that a whole tribe is sorrounded and famished and then they are all one by one beheaded and the women and children are taken as war prisoners. There is a difference between war and massacre.
And it does not stand alone. The bloodshed of Muhammad, how he repeatedly lied, had people killed, even women killed (that’s such a LOW action of a man), how he, when criminals were brought to him, asked that their limbs be cut off and they were left out in the desert. How he cursed the ones who didn’t believe in him… he also curses me as a Christian - but thats okay, because the Spirit that lives in me is greater than the spirit that lived in him, and had poems written that were full of curses. He even was an adulterer and a man with many wives and mistresses… raping the girls from the tribes he had killed. Making the example of a paranoid bloodthirsty man.

You ask about the Old Testament. But let me ask you. What happend when King David saw the beautiful naked woman who was washing herself? David had her husband sent to the front line so that the King could sleep with her. That was a crime and evil. And the big king saw that and he came to God in tears and repentance, setting an example for posterity as a repentant sinner. You never see Muhammad acknowlege his evil. Because of David’s sins and the wars he led he was not allowed to built the Temple to Jahve. But your prophet who had soo much blood on his hands built the kaba in Mekka… actually he took over a pagan shrine…where people now go on their hajj.

The Old Testament is the first covenant, the time of justice. The law of moses was imperfect, that means, lower than what Good God truly intented for his people. Its written that it was only suppose to last a certain time. When we read the stories in the OT we read a historical document, where God is walking with His chosen people and protecting them. Not because they were perfect, neither were their kings nor great men, so we dont hold these as great examples in other things than the things that were truly brave and good. Like Joseph’s compassion on his brothers, Abraham’s lonely faith, Moses’ liberation of his people etc.
That time was still the time of justice. The order was a sad but necessary consequence of the extreme fall of Adam. That means the time between the fall of Adam and the coming of Jesus is not the fulfiment of Gods wishes and promises for mankind. Only Christ is… From Adam to Christ the people was being raised, prpared and protected from false gods for the purpose that they would bring forth the Messiah Jesus from their midst for the salvation of all mankind. So if harshness was deemed necessary by God himself it was because He wanted to bring YOU a Saviour.
The justice then and even the harshness was a sad thing, as we all agree on. Evan God weeps over the sins of Jerusalem and of the whole world. These sins caused and causes calamity, not because its Gods wish. God loves us so much that while we were yet sinners, He came and gave His Life for us.

Yet you should admit that we as Christians hold Jesus to be our one and only mediator, the Only One who is truly good and innocent. He is our EXAMPLE. He is the fulfilment of the old insufficient time of covenant, whereas your “seal of prophets”, your end, is worse than the beginning.
In all honesty you have to compare Muhammad and Christ, because these two are the ones you and I respectively claim to be the highest most noble reflexion of the Will and Being of God.

I hope you are still hanging in there. Now this is a short lesson in covenant history. I recommend you to read the Bible your self.

Good day.

 

[Sam_777]

I really appreciate what GraceDK is doing on this part of the forum, and I hope all her efforts find someone who has eyes to read, mind to think, and heart to accept Jesus love.

 

[GraceDK]

I really appreciate what GraceDK is doing on this part of the forum, and I hope all her efforts find someone who has eyes to read, mind to think, and heart to accept Jesus love.

shaw:

All the Glory to my Teacher who saved me, Jesus Christ. He has taught me all I know that is worth knowing.

Maybe one day I will see you face to face in Saudi Arabia where we together can bring bread to the starved.

Its interesting, the Moslems on this board have been free to follow their conscience into Islam. We as Christians believe in their personal freedom rights. But they embrace a religion that teaches: “If a man changes his religion, kill him.”

Peace to you. And I hope you have a blessed Easter.

 

[planten]

From GraceDK, post #128,

As far as I have read, the Jews were against Muhammad (I certainly would have been too). Yet when they pleaded for mercy and one of Muhammad’s men felt compassion Muhammad gave him a sign to indicate he intended slaughter

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There is a Hadith that says “The prophets do not wink. It is below their status to give such a signal to any one with the eyes… You are just inventing things. What you said is untrue…

What we see is not actually a war situation. What we see is that a whole tribe is sorrounded and famished and then they are all one by one beheaded and the women and children are taken as war prisoners. There is a difference between war and massacre.

You do not see the war situation. But you see what the Jews were doing? Then you should see the post war situation. It is justified to take the people to task. This is done even in modern times.

And it does not stand alone. The bloodshed of Muhammad, how he repeatedly lied, had people killed, even women killed (that’s such a …their limbs be cut off and they were left out in the desert

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What you are saying is all lies. I do not understand where you learnt all that? Who taught you all those false things about Muhammad? I wonder if such false things are being taught to the Catholics in their schools (missions). May Allah protect the world from the fabricators of such calumnies and heresays.

How he cursed the ones who didn’t believe in him.

This is a lie and I would call it a white lie. The Prophet and all the Muslims never press or punish any one for not believing in Muhammad. In Islam, it is taught that every one is free to chose his/her faith. I believe your religion (Catholicism) may fall short of that good principle of freedom of faith and you would not be able to show me anything from your book (bibleNT) that people are free to believe what they like. You have nothing good of that sort.

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he also curses me as a Christian - but thats okay,… a man with many wives and mistresses… raping the girls from the tribes he had killed. Making the example of a paranoid bloodthirsty man.

That is all calumny, false beliefs. The prophet does not curse any sensible law abiding peaceful person of any faith. That is the truth. I feel that you have learnt nothing from the lovely message of Jesus. You are spreading hatred with falsehood. If you had been any where near to jesus, you would not do that.

You ask about the Old Testament. But let me ask you. What happend when King David saw the beautiful naked woman …God in tears and repentance, setting an example for posterity as a repentant sinner

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I asked you about your god Jesus ordering the Jews to kill every one. You have not replied to that. I am not interested in what David did. I know all about that. And, repentance? That is not your line. You have the blood of an innocent man (Jesus) to save you. Where is justice? Where is repentance? We have repentance in Islam.

You never see Muhammad acknowlege his evil. … actually he took over a pagan shrine…where people now go on their hajj

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I feel that you lost your balance now. I am not interested in your lecture about what david did and what could not do. You are wandering into unnecessary fields. Perhaps too much upset when you are faced with the truth. You have no real reply. I won’t bother you any more.

The Old Testament is the first covenant, the time of justice. The law of moses was imperfect,… When we read the stories in the OT we read a historical document, where God is walking with His chosen people and protecting them.

When you read bibleOT You think you are reading an interesting story book. That is your bad remark regarding the Jewish religious book.

Not because they were perfect, neither were their kings nor great men, …brave and good. Like Joseph’s compassion on his brothers, Abraham’s lonely faith, Moses’ liberation of his people etc.

** We have all that well described in the Quran, better than it is done in bibleOT. And you have nothing of that in your own book (biography) i.e. bibleNT**.

That time was still the time of justice. The order was a sad but necessary consequence of the extreme fall of Adam…it was because He wanted to bring YOU a Saviour.

You are slipping from pillar to post, accusing and abusing any and many, just elevating one person illegally. There is no proof of what you are saying.

The justice then and even the harshness was a sad thing, as we all agree on. … God loves us so much that while we were yet sinners, He came and gave His Life for us.

What justice? Is it justified to punish an innocent man (Jesus) for the crimes (sins) of others?

Yet you should admit that we as Christians hold Jesus to be our one and only mediator, … whereas your “seal of prophets”, your end, is worse than the beginning

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I do not mind what you believe about your savior business. But I do not agree to your bad words against the best of all men i.e. Muhammad.

In all honesty you have to compare Muhammad and Christ, because these two are the ones you and I respectively claim to be the highest most noble reflexion of the Will and Being of God

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I respect and love Jesus and Moses and Abraham and Jacob and Issac. While you may be loving few of them only and you are hating Muhammad. So you know where you stand?

I hope you are still hanging in there. Now this is a short lesson in covenant history. I recommend you to read the Bible your self.

Thanks for the trouble you took to write all that (too long) lecture of Hatred for Muhammad. I love the Jews and the Christians and the Hindus even though I do not follow their faith and they do not follow my faith. I have no plans to harm or hurt any Jew or Christian or Hindu or Budhist. You can have your hatred. I can have my love. Thanks.

Good day.

G o o d N i g h t.

 

[a_slave_of_God]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

lol , never read OT ? How Jesus (pbuh) inspired OT figures to destroy the whole city if they are idol worshippers ? How Jesus (pbuh) inspired Moses , David (peace be upon them) to kill thousands & thousands & took virgins for the soldiers ??

Even in NT , there are verses where Jesus (pbuh) told disciples to bring sword & kill those who don’t accept him , how he came in this earth not to bring peace …but surely u will say that these are all parables .

Anyway , let some/many Christians bash the last Prophet 24/7 , God Willing we will always respect Jesus & Mother Mary (peace be upon them).

Wa Alykum assalam, Muslim Woman,
thank you very much for your post, May Allah reward you a good reward.

Just let us make it clear for those who might believe what is in the bible and then think bad about God.

The Bible is a Holy book that has been changed by wrong people.

Prophet David ,peace be upon him, was a good person, he is mentioned in the bible as a bad one and so is the case with many prophets.

Unlike the Quran who mentioned them as respected prophets and just people.

let the disbelievers walk in their way of giving bad pictures about the prophets PBUT.
let the criminals describe the police men as killers and terrorists.

Mohammad is a light that is bigger than them, so they shall in no way destroy his image.

Peace and blessing be upon prophet Mohammad and his family.

 

[dzheremi]

Just let us make it clear for those who might believe what is in the bible and then think bad about God.

What does this even mean?

The Bible is a Holy book that has been changed by wrong people.

So says you, but what is your opinion to those who actually DO follow the Bible? Nothing. Other users with more ready access to the Qur’an than me and the requisite knowledge of Arabic (such as inJESUS and Sam_777) have posted verses from the Qur’an that seem to affirm the correctness of the Bible as it was followed in the time of Muhammad. Muhammad’s time is completely within recorded history and the Bible, by and large, has remained intact since that time (Protestant tampering notwithstanding). So what exactly do you hope to gain by advancing a lie that no one who is not already similarly convinced will follow?

Prophet David ,peace be upon him, was a good person, he is mentioned in the bible as a bad one and so is the case with many prophets.

No it isn’t. It is mentioned that he sinned because he did. He is, however, given great praise as one of the most wise and just men of all history, and a brilliant and talented author and poet. The authorship of many of the Psalms is given to him! Both the Eastern and Western Churches have feast days dedicated to him. You don’t know what you’re talking about if you claim that we say he is a “bad” guy just because he sinned. If he is bad, then the rest of us are really up a creek. Get off your Islamic high horse, sir!

Unlike the Quran who mentioned them as respected prophets and just people.

See above. Don’t slander us based on your pathetic charicatures.

let the disbelievers walk in their way of giving bad pictures about the prophets PBUT.
let the criminals describe the police men as killers and terrorists.

What “police men”? What the heck are you talking about? If terrorism is your way of policing, that says more about you and your ethics than it does about us. None of us would dare say that God’s punishments are terrorism. We just don’t agree with you that Islamic law as we see it practiced around the world, based on the edicts of the Qur’an, in conformity with God’s just and merciful nature.

Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY,” says the Lord. (Romans 12:19)

Mohammad is a light that is bigger than them, so they shall in no way destroy his image.

Peace and blessing be upon Mohammad and his family.

Muhammad is a mere man. Why is he suddenly made of different stuff than the rest of humanity just because you want to put other people down for not believing in him or his message?

You will not get anywhere with this kind of talk here. We are not weak in our faith as past generations may have been, or the current secular world seeks to make us. You will find yourself without very many constructive conversations to show for all of your slander, and probably be banned before getting too far in your da’wah if you continue to call us “criminals” and other things purely for our Christian beliefs. This is a Catholic messageboard. Don’t forget that in your zealotry.

 

[a_slave_of_God]

I agree, One and the same!

May Allah keep His favours upon you.

peace.

 

[a_slave_of_God]

Mahomet was a terrorist and a liar who attacked caravans during a holy month and then had a “revelation” to cover his tracks. This same man who longed to be accepted as a prophet of Judaism only attacked the Jews at Medina after he was rejected. Before the evil arrived at Medina there was peace between the Arabs and the Jews. It was only after Mahomet began to start trouble when problems began to occur. And thus it has been ever since.

Your words against the prophet ,prayer and peace be upon him and his family, are just inspiration against his brother Jesus PAPBUH who said:

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”

Think good about Mohammad or live in confusion.

 

[jakasaki]

Your words against the prophet ,prayer and peace be upon him and his family, are just inspiration against his brother Jesus PAPBUH who said:

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”

Think good about Mohammad or live in confusion.

Why,… oh why do you post the same verse over and over. I, as well as many others have explained it to you.

And oh by the way, Jesus Christ **is not in the same brotherhood **as mohamad.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Think good about Mohammad or live in confusion.

Prove good about him or remain wilfully ignorant. The god of the Quran ‘permitted’ Mohammed to kill by unjust war, assassinate people in peace times, steal the possessions of others, marry his adopted sons wife, marry a child, marry more women than what was permitted other followers, and took 20% of all war booty.

Was he generous with the 20% he took? Is this the alms he gives; by stealing it from others? Did he share this with Jews or Christians who were hungry and poor, or only believers?

 

[Booklover]

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There is a Hadith that says “The prophets do not wink. It is below their status to give such a signal to any one with the eyes… You are just inventing things. What you said is untrue…

You do not see the war situation. But you see what the Jews were doing? Then you should see the post war situation. It is justified to take the people to task. This is done even in modern times.

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What you are saying is all lies. I do not understand where you learnt all that? Who taught you all those false things about Muhammad? I wonder if such false things are being taught to the Catholics in their schools (missions). May Allah protect the world from the fabricators of such calumnies and heresays.

This is a lie and I would call it a white lie. The Prophet and all the Muslims never press or punish any one for not believing in Muhammad. In Islam, it is taught that every one is free to chose his/her faith. I believe your religion (Catholicism) may fall short of that good principle of freedom of faith and you would not be able to show me anything from your book (bibleNT) that people are free to believe what they like. You have nothing good of that sort.

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That is all calumny, false beliefs. The prophet does not curse any sensible law abiding peaceful person of any faith. That is the truth. I feel that you have learnt nothing from the lovely message of Jesus. You are spreading hatred with falsehood. If you had been any where near to jesus, you would not do that.

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I asked you about your god Jesus ordering the Jews to kill every one. You have not replied to that. I am not interested in what David did. I know all about that. And, repentance? That is not your line. You have the blood of an innocent man (Jesus) to save you. Where is justice? Where is repentance? We have repentance in Islam.

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I feel that you lost your balance now. I am not interested in your lecture about what david did and what could not do. You are wandering into unnecessary fields. Perhaps too much upset when you are faced with the truth. You have no real reply. I won’t bother you any more.

When you read bibleOT You think you are reading an interesting story book. That is your bad remark regarding the Jewish religious book.

We have all that well described in the Quran, better than it is done in bibleOT. And you have nothing of that in your own book (biography) i.e. bibleNT.

You are slipping from pillar to post, accusing and abusing any and many, just elevating one person illegally. There is no proof of what you are saying.

What justice? Is it justified to punish an innocent man (Jesus) for the crimes (sins) of others?

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I do not mind what you believe about your savior business. But I do not agree to your bad words against the best of all men i.e. Muhammad.

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I respect and love Jesus and Moses and Abraham and Jacob and Issac. While you may be loving few of them only and you are hating Muhammad. So you know where you stand?

Thanks for the trouble you took to write all that (too long) lecture of Hatred for Muhammad. I love the Jews and the Christians and the Hindus even though I do not follow their faith and they do not follow my faith. I have no plans to harm or hurt any Jew or Christian or Hindu or Budhist. You can have your hatred. I can have my love. Thanks.

G o o d N i g h t.

No one is making up any lies! Don’t judge others by your own base standards. Muslims are the ones who believe in lies and are taught to lie to the unbelievers! Why should we love Muhammad? Should we love Hitler as well? The unvarnished truth about your prophet is in YOUR OWN SCRIPTURES! Why do you ignore what it says about his highly immoral life and criminality? I don’t see how anyone can read what’s there and get a good impression of him.

Vickie

 

[cthulhubryan]

Your words against the prophet ,prayer and peace be upon him and his family, are just inspiration against his brother Jesus PAPBUH who said:

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”

Think good about Mohammad or live in confusion.

For such a short response, there are many issues to address:

1. Mohamet was a Jewish wanna-be prophet who turned to violence and evil once he was rejected. Therefore it is somewhat silly to wish peace upon him since he never desired peace, but war and death.
2. Jesus = God. Mahomet = twisted mortal man. Not brothers.
3. I think that to think overly well of Mahomet is to live in confusion. It is as I were to canvas the world praising Benito Mussolini for causing the trains to run on time and ignoring all the assistance given to send innocents to death camps. This is the stuff of confusion. Mahomet may have started as wanting to be a godly man during the initial time in Mecca, but by the time he went to Medina he was firmly set upon the path to destruction for himself and as many as he could get to follow him.

 

[jakasaki]

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Allah made us great enough to understand that He is God.**

I’ve been looking at this statement since it was posted from the very start…

Since all claim at the word allah means god in arabic, this statement is very confussing to me.

If I were to read it in English it would be…

God made us great enough to understand that He is God.

Or in this manner…

allah made us great enough to understand that He is allah.

Why do muslims posters say that allah is god as if it is a name?