Allah is the One God of Abraham

[Pjs2ejs]

If Muslims believe their god is the God of Abraham, isn’t it so? I believe my God is, but Muslims could say the same thing about our God. I think the God is the same but the false prophets lead their people astray. The Mormons have been given skewed info about God by their “prophets”, but He is represented as the same God. Muslims understanding of the nature of God is wrong in my opinion, but again the same God.

Now Wiccans and Satanists clearly deny the God of the Old testament. So don’t throw them in the mix.

A question to ex-Mormons or ex-Muslims, when you converted, did you switch Gods? If so, I’ll concede.

 

[famdigy]

A question to ex-Mormons or ex-Muslims, when you converted, did you switch Gods? If so, I’ll concede.

Good point, I asked the same question of my wife who converted from catholicism to Islam. She always saw God separate from Jesus and would pray to Him instead of Jesus or mother marry, and that did not change when she converted.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Two guys meet at a bar. They both know someone called John Smith.

When they start talking about John Smith, they find out one John Smith is a white farmer from Idaho who has a wife and three kids. The other John Smith is a black guy from Newark who’s gay.

Now, are we to think that both John Smiths are the same person?

How do we tell if they are the same or not? By looking at their characteristics and not merely at their identical name.

 

[KarenNC]

Now Wiccans and Satanists clearly deny the God of the Old testament. So don’t throw them in the mix.

Depends on what you mean when you say Satanist. If you mean someone who worships the Christian spiritual entity known as Satan, then, no, they do not deny the God of the Christian Scriptures, which includes the Hebrew Scriptures. They simply do not worship Him. If you mean LaVeyan Satanism, you may have a point.

 

[KarenNC]

**By wiping out the cultures, they were not polluted by them as a means to protect the purity of their faith. **

In what way is that different than the reasons given by Muslim terrorists today?

For any of the gods you acknowledge, the mystery of their power and influence can manifest itself in unique ways over a long period of time.

Can you give me an example of what you mean?

 

[Verisimilitude]

**By wiping out the cultures, they were not polluted by them as a means to protect the purity of their faith. **

In what way is that different than the reasons given by Muslim terrorists today?

The Jews were never commanded to take the world by force. It was all very local (for the day) and specific. Admittedly the OT is harder to grasp. The reason they have been choosen is over, they (the Word) have been refined and Christ is the gold.

For any of the gods you acknowledge, the mystery of their power and influence can manifest itself in unique ways over a long period of time.

Can you give me an example of what you mean?

I do not know any of your gods or particular faith so I will surmise an example; assuming you believe in more than one and those gods have some attribute such as giving assistance in an endeavor you want to accomplish.

You may pray to your god for a new job, and over the next week you met a person with influence and in another 2 weeks that person introduces you to another person with a job you like. You might conclude your god was responsible.

 

[KarenNC]

**I do not know any of your gods or particular faith so I will surmise an example; assuming you believe in more than one and those gods have some attribute such as giving assistance in an endeavor you want to accomplish.

You may pray to your god for a new job, and over the next week you met a person with influence and in another 2 weeks that person introduces you to another person with a job you like. You might conclude your god was responsible.**

If you took a look at my profile, the “Hellenic” portion of my religious description might give you a hint Yes, I am a polytheist.

I don’t really see this as similar to the question at hand. Why would I be surprised that a God who has expressed an interest in giving assistance in an endeavor might assist me in an endeavor such as trying to find a job? In what way is that acting in a manner inconsistent with the understood nature and expressed sphere of interest of that God?

 

[Verisimilitude]

Good point, I asked the same question of my wife who converted from catholicism to Islam. She always saw God separate from Jesus and would pray to Him instead of Jesus or mother marry, and that did not change when she converted.

Then she didn’t understand Catholicism to begin with, and still does not understand God if she thinks allah is the same.

 

[Verisimilitude]

I don’t really see this as similar to the question at hand. Why would I be surprised that a God who has expressed an interest in giving assistance in an endeavor might assist me in an endeavor such as trying to find a job? In what way is that acting in a manner inconsistent with the understood nature and expressed sphere of interest of that God?

The similarity is in the perceived action and attribute of a god. Would you pray to the god you think rules health for love of another person? Do all of your gods share each and every attribute of the other or are they specific?

With respect to the OP, the vengenful, war-like, master-slave relationship of god allah is in complete opposition to the compassionate, loving God of Christ. The concept of the Mohammedan god allah, and God the Father as being the same entity is absurd.

The assimilation of allah and God is by Mohammad only. Mohammad is not a trustworthy witness, and the Koran does not support his claim even though Mohammad said everything that is in the Qur’an.

Can you show where the Qur’an says Gabriel is the one speaking to Mohammad?

 

[Verisimilitude]

I don’t really see this as similar to the question at hand. Why would I be surprised that a God who has expressed an interest in giving assistance in an endeavor might assist me in an endeavor such as trying to find a job? In what way is that acting in a manner inconsistent with the understood nature and expressed sphere of interest of that God?

The similarity is in the perceived action and attribute of a god. Would you pray to the god you think rules health for love of another person? Do all of your gods share each and every attribute of the other or are they specific?

With respect to the OP, the vengenful, war-like, master-slave relationship of god allah is in complete opposition to the compassionate, loving God of Christ. The concept of the Mohammedan god allah, and God the Father as being the same entity is absurd.

The assimilation of allah and God is by Mohammad only. Mohammad is not a trustworthy witness, and the Koran does not support his claim even though Mohammad said everything that is in the Qur’an.

Can you show where the Qur’an says Gabriel is the one speaking to Mohammad?

 

[GIMJ]

If Muslims believe their god is the God of Abraham, isn’t it so? I believe my God is, but Muslims could say the same thing about our God. I think the God is the same but the false prophets lead their people astray. The Mormons have been given skewed info about God by their “prophets”, but He is represented as the same God. Muslims understanding of the nature of God is wrong in my opinion, but again the same God.

Now Wiccans and Satanists clearly deny the God of the Old testament. So don’t throw them in the mix.

A question to ex-Mormons or ex-Muslims, when you converted, did you switch Gods? If so, I’ll concede.

No, just because Islamists say they believe in the God of Abraham does NOT make it so. Mormons say that they believe in the God of Abraham too, but when you delve into the substance and attributes of the god(s) of Mormonism, you realize that couldn’t be further from the truth.

What you’re saying is a supposedly more clever way version of the heresy of universalism–apparently you’ve confused even yourself! IE: “We’re all just spokes on the same wheel with God at the center…”

The Christian God is eternal and unchangeable. The God of Abraham, He is Creator of all that is seen and unseen. The Christian God is love and justice. The Christian God came down to Earth in the person of Jesus Christ to save the world from its sin. The Christian Jesus frees all mankind from all sin if they will believe in him. The Christian God loves the world and wants all to be saved to enjoy eternal friendship with him and offers Man that opportunity through Jesus Christ. His object is peace and love.

The Islamist God is eternal but changeable. The God of Abraham, He is also Creator of all that is seen and unseen. The Islamist God is hate and vengeance. The Islamist God is detached from the world and has not assumed a human form. The Islamist God does not grant forgiveness or take away sin from mankind but arbitrarily chooses who to deliver to Hell and who to deliver to Paradise at Judgment Day. The Islamist God hates this corrupt world and will reward those who conquer the Earth for his sake. His object is domination and subjection.

The Mormon God(s) is eternal but evolving. The God of Abraham, He is also “Creator” of all that is seen and unseen. The Mormon God is both love and vengeance. The Mormon God is an exalted human who had sex with the Virgin Mary and together produced the man Jesus as a gift to save the world from its sin. The Mormon Jesus sweat blood in Gethsemane to atone for most, but not all, the sins of the world. The Mormon God is a loving parent who wants to see his spirit children progress into godhood as he has. His object is to guide them on the path of eternal progression by helping them “pass the test” on Earth so that they can bring glory to him through their own future god-ships.

Just because each of these groups profess an eternal god, does not mean they all believe in the Same Eternal God. Just because they profess the God of Abraham who is Creator of the World does not mean they understand who Abraham worshipped! These gods are mutually exclusive–someone (or everyone!) is confused.

YES!, as an ex-Mormon converted to Catholicism, I switched from worshipping and believing in billions of gods to believing in the One God revealed by Jesus Christ. Mormons worship demons, not God. Just because they’re nice people and mean the best doesn’t make it any less so.

Finally, you have no grounds on which to tell me NOT to throw Wiccans or Satanists into the mix. They also believe in a god or gods who are responsible for the present state of the world. Well, we Catholics say that it is our Christian God who is responsible for the present state of the world. Using your logic, we all worship the same entity, right? Wiccans and Satanists still believe in the God of Jesus Christ, they just don’t realize it because of their false prophet(esse)s, right?

I’m glad that you agreed to concede that you’re wrong so that we can quit this universalist nonsense that we all worship the same God: we simply don’t. The sooner we acknowledge the distinctions between our religions (or ideologies, for the Islamists) the sooner we can start carrying out the work of bringing the Gospel to all the world like Jesus commanded.

 

[KarenNC]

The similarity is in the perceived action and attribute of a god. Would you pray to the god you think rules health for love of another person? Do all of your gods share each and every attribute of the other or are they specific?

No they do not. Of course, being Gods rather than humans I suppose that it is possible that Ares might decide to take an interest in harvesting crops, but if someone came and told me that Ares was the God of harvest, I would have to say that that is not the way that the majority of folks who have written about their relationships with Him understand Him.

**With respect to the OP, the vengenful, war-like, master-slave relationship of god allah is in complete opposition to the compassionate, loving God of Christ. The concept of the Mohammedan god allah, and God the Father as being the same entity is absurd. **

Ah, I think we have been talking at cross-purposes. I agree that I do not see the God of the Christians, the God of the Jews and the God of the Muslims as the same entity. Seems from my limited knowledge of Islam that the God of the Jews and the Muslims are closer in nature than the God of the Christians, but as I said, my knowledge of Islam is limited.

Note that I do not mean “universalism” as GIMJ is describing. I definitely do not believe that all Gods are one or just facets of one divine reality. There may be an ultimate ground of being from which the Gods and humanity sprang, but if so, it is so remote from our ability to experience it that it is as relevant to our lives as the Horsehead Nebula is to an ant in my yard.

Can you show where the Qur’an says Gabriel is the one speaking to Mohammad?

Nope, don’t have much of a familiarity with the Qur’an and have never claimed to have.

 

[KarenNC]

Finally, you have no grounds on which to tell me NOT to throw Wiccans or Satanists into the mix. They also believe in a god or gods who are responsible for the present state of the world. Well, we Catholics say that it is our Christian God who is responsible for the present state of the world. Using your logic, we all worship the same entity, right? Wiccans and Satanists still believe in the God of Jesus Christ, they just don’t realize it because of their false prophet(esse)s, right?

It would be more accurate to say that you believe that they are worshipping or believing in the God of Jesus Christ (interesting phrasing, btw). Your belief does not make it so (which is what you have all been arguing about with the Muslims, as I see it).

You would do better to ask the Wiccan or the Satanist to determine if they believe that their deity(ies) is/are the same as yours.

 

[dessert]

The extreme view that Allah is some other god than the God of Abraham is simply a ridiculous notion. People who propogate this view have concocted a lie that Allah is anything other than the Arabic way to speak of the one monotheistic God of the children of Isreal (as the Quran claims).

The Arabic term “Allah” is a combination of two words, “AL” and “ILAH”.

“Al” is the definite article in Arabic. semitic linguists believe that the original root definite article of all semitic languages was “Hal.” with Hebrew it evolved as “Ha” and Arabic as “Al”.

“ILAH” means divinity or “god” but “ILAH” is not definite. It can be made feminine or it can be made plural and thus does not always convey the absoluteness of THE ONE God, So accordingly, when speaking of THE ONE God of monotheism, the Qur’an says “AL-ILAH” which is conjugated into “ALLAH”.

Isn’t there over 14 million Christian Arabs in the world today? If that is the case, then this means there are 14 million Christians calling God by this name of “ALLAH” as well. The ignorant who tells you that Allah is another god other than Abraham’s God is actually slandering the Christian faith. All Arabic bibles refer to THE ONE God as “ALLAH” because any Arabic linguist knows there is no other way to speak of the one god of monotheism than by saying “the God”. If you say “a god” or “ILAH” then you are implying in the semitic mind that there are other gods and this is your god. The Islamic declaration of faith is L"La Ilaha illa Allah" meaning there is no god besides the one and only God". Arabic bibles translated by Arabian Christians demonstrate this:

arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm

Taking a look at the first sentence of the Arabic bible we notice the first like of Genesis reads “In the beginning Allah created the heavens and the earth”. So there is no difference between the God of teh Bible and the God of the Qur’an. At the very least, one must accept that linguistically this is so. you may disagree with the Islamic understanding fo the will and law of God, but certainly no one knowledgeable of Arabic, Aramaic and Hebrew can say that “Allah” linguistically is any different than the Arabic version of the God of the bible.

Furthermore, isn’t Aramaic the language of Jesus’ time and region? According to the scan image of Vine’s Complete Exposition Dictionary below
**There were many languages spoken Lebanese, Arabic, Aramaic, Arabic, Hebrew many more including greek. **

http://www.answering-christianity.com/allahinot.jpg

We also find in the Hebrew version of Daniel 2:47 where the term Alah/elah are used exactly as it appears were it transliterated into English.

Daniel 2:47 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

47 The king said to Daniel, “Surely your God is** the God** of gods and the Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, for you were able to reveal this mystery.”

דניאל 2:47 (The Westminster Leningrad Codex)
The Westminster Leningrad Codex (WLC)

47 עָנֵה֩ מַלְכָּ֨א לְדָנִיֵּ֜אל וְאָמַ֗ר מִן־קְשֹׁט֙ דִּ֣י אֱלָהֲכֹ֗ון ה֣וּא אֱלָ֧הּ אֱלָהִ֛ין וּמָרֵ֥א מַלְכִ֖ין וְגָלֵ֣ה רָזִ֑ין דִּ֣י יְכֵ֔לְתָּ לְמִגְלֵ֖א רָזָ֥ה דְנָֽה׃

Source: biblegateway.com

Actually, allah to them means THE God, so ask them if their allah is the same God of the Son Jesus Christ.
They think we are polytheists because we believe in the trinity.
So to them our God is god.
Jesus in the garden called God the Father abba’ apersonal intimate relationship he was establishing.
This seperates us from them both.

 

[Booklover]

Here are some of the attributes of Allah. Does this sound like the God we’ve come to know?

How about this? Or this?

Vickie

 

[Publisher]

What does the “Magisterium” say concerning this? I would think that would settle the argument for Catholics.

 

[Potato1]

Not to defend Islam, but, by saying Allah is not our God, aren’t you saying that there are other Gods out there besides our God? Now, if an Islam believes in a Supreme Being who created the Earth, aren’t they referring to our God? Now their grasp of spirituality is flawed in my opinion, but I believe their is one God, they do too. I don’t believe there are other gods.

Even God himself believes there are other Gods that people worship that is why He made the 1St Commandment He also referes to Ra is scripture. The point is not to worship other gods. Buddah is not our God, Self is not our God, Shiva is not our God… need I go on?

 

[MelanieAnne]

More specifically, in the context of the original scriptures, Baal is also not “our God”.

Of course Baal, as a “god”, is no longer “current” but when the commandment to have “no other gods” was made, I believe Baal was included in the group of “no other gods” and I am sure there are others. The Greek pantheon comes to mind, and if they came about later (I am not in a history contest here) then at least the Egyptian gods & those of the greater Middle East, at the time, would be included of the group of “no other gods”.

 

[BelFarfalla]

What does the “Magisterium” say concerning this? I would think that would settle the argument for Catholics.

The “Magisterium”, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church says that Muslims worship the same God. The issue is not which God, as there is only One God. The issue is that some of the things that Muslims believe about God are misguided at best.

You are right that for Catholics that should settle it. If a Catholic does not agree, then contemplation on the topic might be in order.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Even God himself believes there are other Gods that people worship that is why He made the 1St Commandment He also referes to Ra is scripture. The point is not to worship other gods. Buddah is not our God, Self is not our God, Shiva is not our God… need I go on?

No where in the Bible does it say that there are other true gods. What the bible says is they are false gods, figments of people’s imaginations.