That’s about the most ridiculous argument I’ve read. “My faith is true because its true and your’s isn’t because it isn’t.” You have about as much evidence to prove Jesus was God as a muslim has to prove Allah is God, or a Jew has to prove Hashem is God.
Did I hear you correctly there Valke2? You asking me to prove factually that Jesus was God??? Are you even SANE?
See. There you go again. Your “proof” consists of “My text is right and your text is wrong.” I don’t need to “prove” my religion. To sit there and tell me I can’t prove Judiasm and you can prove christianity is a “through the looking glass” argument. We might as well argue why my job is more rewarding than yours. It is an improper and fruitless way to frame a debate.
Because you’re not comparing anything – you listed a bunch of your opinions in Catholicism’s favor and then even more opinions in Islam’s disfavor. How can you ‘compare’ that? And being patronizing won’t help your case at all.
Yes. Driving toward absurd objectives has always been kind of a life’s dream for me.
I’ll let our posts speak for themselves.
Lucky for you.
I’ve yet to see any religion win out in a game of dueling scriptures. But knock yourself out.
Like much of your previous posts, I don’t see where you are going with this. I have a little interest in pointing out the fallacy of you trying to prove your faith is better than someone else’s faith. I have no interest in debating you about that. However, if you want to make such posts for my review and response, go ahead.
Have you heard of the Stavriotes? They are (usually) Orthodox, but sometimes Roman Catholic, who outwardly conform to Islam while secretly maintaining their Christianity. Also called “crypto-Christians,” they populated much of the Ottoman Empire, but still remain in Turkiye and the Middle East to this day. The Roman Catholic Church regards any formal conversion to Islam as apostasy, but the Orthodox hierarchy allows for their existence so long as when the time presents itself, they proclaim their faith in Christ. Many Stavriote communities proclaimed their faith in the nineteenth century and were attacked for refusing Islam. In Skopje, for example, Catholic Stavriotes who made this public declaration were either massacred or deported
…Just curious. Yousay they may maintain their adherence to Islam u ntil the right time to proclaim their faith. I’m sorry- when is that presumed to be? I did not know that there was a designated time in the future to proclaim one’s faith in Christ- either you did or you didn’t. When is that supposed opportune time?Have you heard of the Stavriotes? They are (usually) Orthodox, but sometimes Roman Catholic, who outwardly conform to Islam while secretly maintaining their Christianity. Also called “crypto-Christians,” they populated much of the Ottoman Empire, but still remain in Turkiye and the Middle East to this day. The Roman Catholic Church regards any formal conversion to Islam as apostasy, but the Orthodox hierarchy allows for their existence so long as when the time presents itself, they proclaim their faith in Christ. Many Stavriote communities proclaimed their faith in the nineteenth century and were attacked for refusing Islam. In Skopje, for example, Catholic Stavriotes who made this public declaration were either massacred or deported
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
Good question:thumbsup: !
Why do you spell Turkey like Turkiye? Turkey is spelled like turkey on the table.Good question:thumbsup: !
I know when I meet a stranger, my initial introduction is not that I am a Christian. I certainly love to teach the Faith, but I want to get to know them better, so as to not “scare” them or make them think all I am is a “Jesus Freak.” As I get to know them, I can slowly present the Truth to them without there being a disconnect.
Unfortunately in the Middle East, being open about your Catholicism or Orthodoxy (from the get-go) only causes others to shun or persecute you. These people do not want to leave their place of birth, but they also do not want to surrender the gospel. When I was in Turkiye, I found it extremely easy to talk to indidual people about religion (they love to chat about religion), but to present the gospel on the street is illegal and to openly proclaim your faith in Christ (that is if you live in Turkiye) turns people off. So, the only option is to assimilate the culture in order to proclaim the faith.
In the Middle Eastern lands such as Saudi Arabia, it is illegal to even be a Christian. So there is little else to do.
In response to your question, the opportune time is when the Holy Spirit alerts you to come forward. Usually the whole community of believers comes forward at this “prompting.”
I am sorry if this is not an adaquate answer, but I could only direct you to get the response of a real Stavriote rather than listen to my speculations. I can only say that for many who live in “free” cultures, it is hard to imagine “compromising” Christ by converting in order to maintain their faith. I don’t think I explained any of this very well…
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
I did not know that.Right, Turkey is spelled Turkey as in the bird according to the English language, but in Turkish it is spelled T-u-r-k-i-y-e. It’s kinda strange, but I started spelling it this way too! I guess it’s probably better not to though, since it’s extremely misleading:thumbsup: .
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
Ok.So this begs the question: if the arabic word Allah does NOT mean God as according to some here, does the Turkish word Turkiye still mean Turkey, and does it mean the country or the bird? Or is it heretical to call Turkiye Turkey or the other way around?Right, Turkey is spelled Turkey as in the bird according to the English language, but in Turkish it is spelled T-u-r-k-i-y-e. It’s kinda strange, but I started spelling it this way too! I guess it’s probably better not to though, since it’s extremely misleading:thumbsup: .
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
:whacky: Wow, my brain is so confused!
But our arguement here is that neither do Jews, yet we must admit that they worship the one God, even if the do not worship the triune one. Saying that someone does not worship the One God, because they don’t believe he is triune would mean that Jews do not worship the one true God, which would mean bad things for us as Christians. So, yes Jews and Muslims do worship the same God.:whacky: Wow, my brain is so confused!
Do Muslims worship one God: Definitely! Do they worship one God in three persons: No!
So, since they do not worship the Triune God, but rather deny Him, they do not worship the God of the Bible = The One True God.
It is fine to call Turkiye “Turkey” as this is the proper English spelling. As for Turkiye being equivalent to the bird, I don’t think it is, but I’ll check…
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
Not only that but in various middle eastern christian church’s Arabs use the word Allah when talking in their own language because it is simply a middle eastern translation of the English word for God.