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TonyBS
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Each of us makes the Choice
to, or not to, “participate with God in the cooperation of grace He has bestowed on us every day”.Regards Tony
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to, or not to, “participate with God in the cooperation of grace He has bestowed on us every day”.Regards Tony
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jakasaki
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JC ~
This is very confusing and it has always been for me …
I have read many times that the name “Allah” was used by Middle Eastern/Arab Christians way before the creation of Islam.
If that is the case, who/what was the “allah” idol in the Kaaba before Muhammad was born. I know that Muhammads father was the keeper/caretaker of the Kaaba and also bares the name “Allah”
Is this “idol” God as we know what God is supposed to be?
Are there 2 “Allahs” 1 is a stone idol the other the True God…??
This is very confusing and it has always been for me …
I have read many times that the name “Allah” was used by Middle Eastern/Arab Christians way before the creation of Islam.
If that is the case, who/what was the “allah” idol in the Kaaba before Muhammad was born. I know that Muhammads father was the keeper/caretaker of the Kaaba and also bares the name “Allah”
Is this “idol” God as we know what God is supposed to be?
Are there 2 “Allahs” 1 is a stone idol the other the True God…??
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808Catholic
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Not to oversimplify the issue but “car” can mean a model car or a real automobile. The image may appear similar and the word used to describe both the same but the concept is not the same.JC ~
This is very confusing and it has always been for me …
I have read many times that the name “Allah” was used by Middle Eastern/Arab Christians way before the creation of Islam.
If that is the case, who/what was the “allah” idol in the Kaaba before Muhammad was born. I know that Muhammads father was the keeper/caretaker of the Kaaba and also bares the name “Allah”
Is this “idol” God as we know what God is supposed to be?
Are there 2 “Allahs” 1 is a stone idol the other the True God…??
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KathleenGee
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Yes I have also read there are areas in the world where Christians also use the name, Allah but recently in a certain local, they were told not to use it.
Doesn’t Islam accept Moses…then what about the 10 commandments?? Their expansion of Islam into non Muslim countries and the manner they took over contradicts the commandments.
Doesn’t Islam accept Moses…then what about the 10 commandments?? Their expansion of Islam into non Muslim countries and the manner they took over contradicts the commandments.
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TonyBS
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Do not forget it is foretold, man has strayed far from God on many fronts
This may be of interest - alislam.org/library/links/00000087.html
Through knowledge bestowed upon him by God, the All-Knowing, the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, foresaw the condition under which his Ummah had to pass during different ages and particularly in the Last Days. He is reported to have said:
“There will come a time upon the people when nothing will remain of Islam except its name only and nothing will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be splendidly furnished but destitute of guidance. Their divines will be the worst people under the heaven and strife will issue from and avert to them.” (Mishkatul Masabih, Kitabul Ilm)
“A time will come when my followers will become divided into seventy-three sects. All of them except one will deserve the fire.”
This is of interest also - As Mahdi and Messiah are Seen as the Bab and Baha’u’llah.
"Nevertheless, as mercy for all peoples, he gave the glad tidings of the advent of Mujaddideen (regenerators) and that of the appearance of Mahdi and Messiah. A few of these prophecies mentioned in the books of Ahadith (traditions) are given below:
“Verily God will appoint for this Ummat in the beginning of every century, one who will restore for it its faith.” (Abu Dawood, Kitabul Fitan)
God Bless and Regards Tony
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Servant19
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Thank you Kathleen.
If we are to believe that God has created all humans to draw nigh unto Him, to know Him and to love Him, one has to ask the question, what was needed in Arabia to remove idol worship from society?
It seems the love and grace of Christianity was not enough for such a vicious and degenerate group of populations in the Arabian region at the time.
Sure, God, through Muhammad didn’t go about it the way us sinful humans may think best, but the outcome was beautiful…a monotheistic civilisation was born where no one would ever have thought possible.
God’s victory is realised!
If Christ could not change that area, then it was Muhammad that was needed, and God always finds a means to draw humans back to Him.
Look at the devotion of prayer, look at the zest for fasting and worship now seen by the more noble Muslims in that region. Surely this has been a victory for God. But alas, a time comes when God needs to act again.
The Baha’i religion believes that God has acted today and the next step of drawing us nigh unto Him is revealed…
God bless you
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dolphinlove
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Muhammad only for a time started to spread his teachings to the people, but after a while we know he formed an army to do one thing, spread it by the sword.Thank you Kathleen.
If we are to believe that God has created all humans to draw nigh unto Him, to know Him and to love Him, one has to ask the question, what was needed in Arabia to remove idol worship from society?
It seems the love and grace of Christianity was not enough for such a vicious and degenerate group of populations in the Arabian region at the time.
Sure, God, through Muhammad didn’t go about it the way us sinful humans may think best, but the outcome was beautiful…a monotheistic civilisation was born where no one would ever have thought possible.
God’s victory is realised!
If Christ could not change that area, then it was Muhammad that was needed, and God always finds a means to draw humans back to Him.
Look at the devotion of prayer, look at the zest for fasting and worship now seen by the more noble Muslims in that region. Surely this has been a victory for God. But alas, a time comes when God needs to act again.
The Baha’i religion believes that God has acted today and the next step of drawing us nigh unto Him is revealed…
God bless you
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The proof of this is in the ahadiths.
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KathleenGee
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In Christ we are regenerated…as is all of creation…when we are living out His life within us. We become His hands, feet, heart…not in domination, but in loving service.
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MartinJordan
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Yes. “I have come to serve not to be served.”
This is the true Jesus who humbled himself to show us how to love and serve. We do his bidding as he sits at the right of the Father.
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Servant19
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I love what you right here Kathleen, but it not be more embracing to other religions if you were to post the following?
Wouldn’t that then also appease the Jews, the Hindus, the Zoroastrians?
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TonyBS
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What did Jesus Say about Moses who did Kill someoneWhat did Mohammed say about Jesus who killed no one?
MJ
Regards Tony
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MartinJordan
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“Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up.”- John 3:14What did Jesus Say about Moses who did Kill someone
Regards Tony
So, Mohammed said…???
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KathleenGee
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John Paul II’s teaching on conscience, I think it was ‘Veritatis Splendor’ taught that the soul of made of God, it is spirit.
And in the soul the 10 commandments are engraved on our being and this is demonstrated by the use of our conscience. It speaks quietly other times, most strong.
Moses did kill someone. But only once and – before – his encounter with the Lord.
So all human beings can perceive God in both reason and nature.
But as indicated in the subject of this thread, we are discussing the nature of God…and likewise the contradictions.
All people work for salvation when they live in good will. Many times it is the culture of evangelization that is unable to reach other people, and so it is not their fault. Others, it is in the mystery of faith that the Lord has in store for that particular culture, and their conversion comes later.
I think of Confucius who defined the commandments pertaining to one’s neighbor, who established the value of the traditional family within China, but did not receive revelation of who God is…this being reserved for the Jewish people.
And for the Jewish people, Christ was revealed as the final of God’s revelation, and He was the cause of the rise and falling of the people of Israel, a part of them rejecting Him.
JPII also speaks of Christ’s encounter with the rich young man who fulfilled all the commandments, and the Lord only used those pertaining to one’s neighbor. He did not instruct the young man to turn to Him, but rather to sell all his possessions that were the obstacle in seeking perfection.
In Islam, the common theme in its expansion was overtaking by violence, plundering, and the concept of heaven carnal of which, considering a polygamous culture, the men are both having heaven on earth and more sensual pleasure in the next, the spirit vs the carnal.
And in the soul the 10 commandments are engraved on our being and this is demonstrated by the use of our conscience. It speaks quietly other times, most strong.
Moses did kill someone. But only once and – before – his encounter with the Lord.
So all human beings can perceive God in both reason and nature.
But as indicated in the subject of this thread, we are discussing the nature of God…and likewise the contradictions.
All people work for salvation when they live in good will. Many times it is the culture of evangelization that is unable to reach other people, and so it is not their fault. Others, it is in the mystery of faith that the Lord has in store for that particular culture, and their conversion comes later.
I think of Confucius who defined the commandments pertaining to one’s neighbor, who established the value of the traditional family within China, but did not receive revelation of who God is…this being reserved for the Jewish people.
And for the Jewish people, Christ was revealed as the final of God’s revelation, and He was the cause of the rise and falling of the people of Israel, a part of them rejecting Him.
JPII also speaks of Christ’s encounter with the rich young man who fulfilled all the commandments, and the Lord only used those pertaining to one’s neighbor. He did not instruct the young man to turn to Him, but rather to sell all his possessions that were the obstacle in seeking perfection.
In Islam, the common theme in its expansion was overtaking by violence, plundering, and the concept of heaven carnal of which, considering a polygamous culture, the men are both having heaven on earth and more sensual pleasure in the next, the spirit vs the carnal.
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TonyBS
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Again the Key is that Allah is but one God the God of all. Unkowable so He sends His messengers.
It may be good to consider that it is very unjust to post preceived distortions of the Faith of Muhammad. As it is still what people choose to do, I think it is appropriate justice to remind people.
Do you really think that the expansion of Christianity was done peacefully 100% to the way Christ commanded. You may have to consider that the way it was carried to Native Populations may have had just as much a negitive impact than does war. Actually may be worse an impact.
The Oneness of Allah, Muslims and Christians both worship the same God, both their Revelations are the Word and are From God. When one looks for it the connection is made. A key to understand this is the Revelation of Baha’u’llah, Also from Allah.
Let’s at least go for a unity in Diversity and work with each other on the good man can produce.
Regards Tony
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hasantas
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Allah through Muhammed teaching.
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hasantas
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Church should be established by Jesus but people in Church may not follow Jesus always. That sound no logical to suppose that human never make mistake. İf you say Church is under lead of Holy Spirit then why Holy Spirit did not intervene while church did many mistakes.
İf you directly follow Jesus that mean you follow Allah.
İf you directly follow Jesus that mean you follow Allah.
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hasantas
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Which is close to you İslam or christianity?
You have a powerful faith but the inspiration which came to Bahaullah is not revelation which came to prophets. Perhaps Bahaullah had not known that he was not a prophet. Because Bahaullah had not standart of prophets. Many moraly HIGH people should make that mistake. They are used to get inspiration but they may think that they got revelation. You do not deny İslam totaly but some thoughts of them conflict with tawhid which Allah is but one God. And yet Bab was a former muslim and later claimed to be Bab(gate) to go Mahdi and later claimed to be a prophet. Do you not see the conflict?
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