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btw re the Catechism.why not just quote it and not add your personal opinions,interpretations etc - twinc
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btw re the Catechism.why not just quote it and not add your personal opinions,interpretations etc - twinc
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twinc
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Red Bert - just about right,thanks for that - the men and women disparage is easily explained since maccho man tends to regard Genesis as myth and fairy tale whilst a woman would love to regard it as myth and an outstanding love story and fiction - twinc
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Interesting subject. That may well be the problem. The children receive a good catholic education and go through the sacraments and then fall away if not in high school then in college. I believe 2 things happen.and this is mostly personal experience,The Ist is that the children intellectually learn the fundamentals of the faith and they are able to answer all the questions put to them from the books, but they have not made it their own. They have not bonded to it. It has not become part of them. I learned that Catholicism was not a religion but a way of life! That seems to be an out dated concept but I still believe it to be true. The child has to be nurtured at home by the parents and the parents need to set a shinning example of how to live. Children learn mostly by example.
The second problem is the education system. Even though we have tried to maintain a good solid educational system in the catholic schools some of the “humanistic philosophy” has rubbed off into the system. Whole religious orders have disappeared and errant teaching still continues especially in catholic schools of higher education.
We need to teach a way of life.
God Bless!!!
norval
The second problem is the education system. Even though we have tried to maintain a good solid educational system in the catholic schools some of the “humanistic philosophy” has rubbed off into the system. Whole religious orders have disappeared and errant teaching still continues especially in catholic schools of higher education.
We need to teach a way of life.
God Bless!!!
norval
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twinc
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btw the Catechism refers to Creation many times and noit once to any alternative scheme of generation.Indeed it goes so far as to state[para 282] “that the catechesis on creation is of major importance for it concerns the very foundations of human and Christian life” - twinc
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abucs
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I think it is important in schools for Catholics to learn about and be proud of their heritage.
Regarding the Creation story; students should also be aware that the well respected Catholic priest Le Maitre was the first to define an expanding Universe with a Big Bang as its beginning. No doubt his Theological upbringing was an important factor in this revolutionary way to look at Creation. He copped quite a lot of flak from scientists at the time but was adament that the evidence of galaxies travelling away from us and an ‘afterglow’ would be eventually found to prove him right - which eventually it was.
When Catholic students learn the value and contribution of their faith to science and the modern world then they will be less likely to leave through the superficial reason of doubting the Genesis story.
Regarding the Creation story; students should also be aware that the well respected Catholic priest Le Maitre was the first to define an expanding Universe with a Big Bang as its beginning. No doubt his Theological upbringing was an important factor in this revolutionary way to look at Creation. He copped quite a lot of flak from scientists at the time but was adament that the evidence of galaxies travelling away from us and an ‘afterglow’ would be eventually found to prove him right - which eventually it was.
When Catholic students learn the value and contribution of their faith to science and the modern world then they will be less likely to leave through the superficial reason of doubting the Genesis story.
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Teresa_Lee
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Wow. 
I’m taking a reference book and making it real for me. Instead of reading a bunch of information verbatim, I’m studying what’s behind all those words on the pages of it. In the process, I’m learning a lot about my faith. Far from being holier than thou, this brings to light so many of my misunderstandings over the years. It helps me focus on faith and not rules, people, or statistics as the reason for believing.
Instead of sharing the beauty of the Catholic Church, many people use it for their own ill purposes. And people feel betrayed, hurt or lost (by God of all things). They blame it on these knowledgeable Catholics who preach the faith and sit on their high horses. I don’t own a horse, my friend. I’m searching for deeper truths because when it’s all said and done, we can’t point to the people who broke us. We can only answer for ourselves.
The Catholic faith is beautiful. I’m just trying to share what’s in my heart about it, that’s all. You’re welcome to read it (or not).
Wishing everyone an amazing weekend
Teresa
I’m taking a reference book and making it real for me. Instead of reading a bunch of information verbatim, I’m studying what’s behind all those words on the pages of it. In the process, I’m learning a lot about my faith. Far from being holier than thou, this brings to light so many of my misunderstandings over the years. It helps me focus on faith and not rules, people, or statistics as the reason for believing.
Instead of sharing the beauty of the Catholic Church, many people use it for their own ill purposes. And people feel betrayed, hurt or lost (by God of all things). They blame it on these knowledgeable Catholics who preach the faith and sit on their high horses. I don’t own a horse, my friend. I’m searching for deeper truths because when it’s all said and done, we can’t point to the people who broke us. We can only answer for ourselves.
The Catholic faith is beautiful. I’m just trying to share what’s in my heart about it, that’s all. You’re welcome to read it (or not).
Wishing everyone an amazing weekend
Teresa
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twinc
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this is of course meaningless since many another Catholic priest/theologian still well respected caused much harm to Catholicism and the Church.Shall we just bring to mind Luther,Pierre Teil deChardin,Hans Kung etc and since there was no big bang also the two you mention - twinc
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Teresa_Lee
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It seems only right to look at the other side of the coin.
Padre Pio
Therese of Lisieux
John Vianneycatholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=399
Pope Pius XII
Catherine Laboure
Blessed Imelda Lambertini
Faustina
There are many, many more who could be listed, among them the apostles, Joseph and Mary, Mary’s parents and relatives. If we look hard enough, we can find fault with everything. But that’s not why we are here. At night, we can see the darkness. We can also look up and see a sky full of stars. And then per chance, we might see a falling star. Does that make it any less beautiful to the God who made it? Could it be that in falling something greater happened that you and I might not understand?
Wishing you all the best,
Teresa
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Padre Pio
Therese of Lisieux
John Vianneycatholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=399
Pope Pius XII
Catherine Laboure
Blessed Imelda Lambertini
Faustina
There are many, many more who could be listed, among them the apostles, Joseph and Mary, Mary’s parents and relatives. If we look hard enough, we can find fault with everything. But that’s not why we are here. At night, we can see the darkness. We can also look up and see a sky full of stars. And then per chance, we might see a falling star. Does that make it any less beautiful to the God who made it? Could it be that in falling something greater happened that you and I might not understand?
Wishing you all the best,
Teresa
My catechism blog
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twinc
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yes,no doubt but lets not put forward the fallen stars as the ones to be emulated and followed - twinc
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Teresa_Lee
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Aren’t we all fallen stars to some extent? While the fall is definitely something to be avoided, it happens. Many a great saint (Sts. Peter and Paul come to mind) has fallen. It’s what happens after the fall that matters, and whether or not we allow humility to mold our character through the grace of God.
Teresa
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abucs
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Yes, in later years students should learn about “Luther, Pierre Teil deChardin and Hans Kung”
They should learn the mistakes that they make so as not to repeat them. They should also learn those areas of thought that are compatible with the Catholic faith and know that the Church is not afraid to “examine all and hold fast to what is good”.
But we are talking about Creation, and whether you like it or not the thoughts of Father Lemaitre on the Big Bang are accepted by just about everyone as reasonable in the explanation of Creation. He is not in the same group as the others you mention. In fact LeMaitre was asked by the Pope to be a part of the Vatican Council because of his outstanding scientific thought.
As a Church honoured theologian and wildly respected contributer to Man, he should be known by Catholic school-children. I’m sure Pope Benedict would give his full support to such ideas. Leaving the Church because of not agreeing with the Genesis story/song is ridiculous and should never happen today.
Our education system should stop the silliness of young people doing this for uneducated and superficial reasons IMHO.
They should learn the mistakes that they make so as not to repeat them. They should also learn those areas of thought that are compatible with the Catholic faith and know that the Church is not afraid to “examine all and hold fast to what is good”.
But we are talking about Creation, and whether you like it or not the thoughts of Father Lemaitre on the Big Bang are accepted by just about everyone as reasonable in the explanation of Creation. He is not in the same group as the others you mention. In fact LeMaitre was asked by the Pope to be a part of the Vatican Council because of his outstanding scientific thought.
As a Church honoured theologian and wildly respected contributer to Man, he should be known by Catholic school-children. I’m sure Pope Benedict would give his full support to such ideas. Leaving the Church because of not agreeing with the Genesis story/song is ridiculous and should never happen today.
Our education system should stop the silliness of young people doing this for uneducated and superficial reasons IMHO.
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Is the Instruction on the Catholic religion given by the Schools adequate? What about state schools do they also give adequate instruction?Do we stop there the teachers of religion are the parents and this is the beat school where the basics of the Bible are taught by the parents.Parents also have to take responsibility if the children are straying away from the Church.The parishes too have a resposibility too, they should have youth clubs where there is not only fellowship but teaching of scripture as well.This is what is lacking today the Catholic community of old is fading out because of the influx of secular ideas.
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twinc
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what is untrue and non science and nonsense must not be taught and accepted as fact,no matter where it comes from.The big bang theory of the origin of the universe is in
big trouble especially since there was no big bang.Pope Benedict it is stated gave his support,to the idea of the world being millions of years old as he had been misinformed that it takes millions of years for coal and oil to form.He like others had to be corrected that this is just not so - twinc
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