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EcceAgnusDei
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Are you suggesting that ByzCath doesn’t like traditional Catholicism yet repeatedly posts in the traditional Catholic subforum?
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Speaking as someone that has apparently found the alternate meaning in a few things now…I’ve read enough of your posts to know that you intended nothing like that, it was strictly for clarification purposes
Thanks for the clarification.
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Brendan
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Yes, but I try to occasionally cut him some slack. after all, it’s hard to get a good lead banjo player for the Apolitikion in Tone 4Are you suggesting that ByzCath doesn’t like traditional Catholicism yet repeatedly posts in the traditional Catholic subforum?
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Not so, I did see the humor in it. If we can not laugh at ourselves sometimes then there is something wrong.Are you suggesting that ByzCath doesn’t like traditional Catholicism yet repeatedly posts in the traditional Catholic subforum?
ETA: It occurs to me that the silliness behind my post might be taken seriously. No offense intended, just making a joke off off Brendan’s joke. Epic fail, I suppose.
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:blackeye:Yes, but I try to occasionally cut him some slack. after all, it’s hard to get a good lead banjo player for the Apolitikion in Tone 4
Nice!
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Brendan
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Big_Feet
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hmmm…reminds me of the SSPX and others over the past number of decades…
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felsguy
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Oh wow! A jab at the SSPX in the midst of an argument about “altar girls.” I predict a new record for the number of posts to a single thread.
Adding the question of altar girls wearing cassock and surplice having their feet washed on Holy Thursday could really send it over the top.
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ByzCathCantor
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by “universally” I meant only in the Byzantine-Ruthenian Church, now noting another post regarding practice in the Chaldean Church (on which I cannot comment)
as for the propriety of the reported presence of women serving at the altar in the Byzantine-Ruthenian Church, the Norms of Particular Law are pretty explicit (see §8 below):
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Again, I know what the particular law says but I saw this in a Byzantine Ruthenian parish.
Also when were were told that “we do not do this” he then added that “we” do not have female altar servers serving from within the Sanctuary but that he had no problem with female servers serving from outside of the Sanctuary.
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clem456
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Why would anyone following this thread want to join the Catholic Church?
I am nauseated.
I am nauseated.
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EcceAgnusDei
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Because it is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.
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clem456
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At our Parish, boys and girls both wear an identical white robe. Not sure what the liturgical term for the robe is, but they have been in use for decades. After appropriate formation, girls and boys both serve through their senior years of high school, starting at age 10 I think. Boys don’t think twice about serving with girls or vice versa, doesn’t deter vocations or faith formation. We’ve had two priests come out of the parish in the last 6 years or so, as well as 2 students to Franciscan of Steubenvillde. Not too bad for a small town rural parish. The parish is exceptionally vibrant in both adult and youth ministry. 2 women in particular have done exceptional work in bringing people into the Catholic Church, in their ministry as pastoral associates (they don’t wear any particular garb).
If you had this clothing and gender concern at our parish you would be invited to join the liturgy committee and help. You would likely also be invited to buy all the vestments you wish, after running it by the director of liturgy, who’s a deacon with almost 30 years of experience, to determine appropriateness. He would be obedient to his pastor and bishop right down the line.
Honestly this concern might be a ways down the list. The Pastor and associated liturgical ministry are busy bringing the 12 new RCIA candidates into the Church at Easter, and how to plan the baptisms, confirmations and first communions associated, school masses, bilingual masses with Hispanics, bereavement masses, healiing masses, training choirs and lectors, helping train clergy and laity in the new missal, etc etc etc…As long as the servers are not wearing light-up tennis shoes under the robes, everyone’s pretty much happy. And we have noo problem getting young people involved with liturgy, whether it be servers, choir members, lectors. Gilrs and boys both. Women should be allowed participation in the liturgy to the full extent allowed by the Church. To do anything less is disobedience. That, is not Catholic, traditional or otherwise. ( I always thought Catholic Church was Catholic Church, I’m getting a real education here).
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TempleServant
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Altar girls are allowed via indult; a special permission. A bishop may allow them in his diocese. Even, then, the pastor may choose not to. Citing obedience is moot. A pastor is not obliged to have them and we laity are not obliged to like them.
You must OBEY (…our peculiar interpretation of Vatican 2. Or what is fashionable in our diocese.)
You must OBEY (…our peculiar interpretation of Vatican 2. Or what is fashionable in our diocese.)
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Adolphus_WC
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It also seems to affirming negative perceptions to be focused on boys in light of the scandals in the USA and IRE.
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Corki
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It’s not an indult. It is an option. I know it seems like a distinction without a difference
but it IS different. When you talk about an indult, there is a universal norm that must be followed absent permission to do otherwise (indult). With an option, the proper authority is allowed to choose from a number of options.Communion in the hand is an example of an indult. Without permission, a diocese licitly distributes Communion only on the tongue.
Female altar servers is an option. Any bishop can exercise the option without special permission. Once the bishop exercises the option, any priest who is in the bishop’s jurisdiction can exercise the option without special permission.
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ProVobis
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Bishops and pastors are the part of the Church which can deny female servers. Some priests even manage without any servers. And I don’t recall in my days of serving that I participated in the Mass any more when I did serve. I was always worried that I’d say or do something wrong; that’s no way to worship God IMO.
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TimothyH
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The little boy Samuel was dedicated to God and served at the temple.
And his mother used to make for him a little robe and take it to him each year, when she went up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice. (1 Samuel 2:19)
I think of this whenever I put on a cassock and serve the priest at the altar. It’s like the uniform of those who serve. Like little Samuel, I am dedicated to the service of the Lord whenever I put on the “Little robe”. Except the robe I put on is size 17x.
I have never been to SSPX Mass and try to wash my feet at least once daily.
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And his mother used to make for him a little robe and take it to him each year, when she went up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice. (1 Samuel 2:19)
I think of this whenever I put on a cassock and serve the priest at the altar. It’s like the uniform of those who serve. Like little Samuel, I am dedicated to the service of the Lord whenever I put on the “Little robe”. Except the robe I put on is size 17x.
I have never been to SSPX Mass and try to wash my feet at least once daily.
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Silver_Thread
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The agenda is the same only the rhetoric changes!
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johnmann
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I’m resurrecting this topic because I was looking for advice on what we should have our altargirls wear and found this.
I initially favored the cassock and surplice because it resembles a nun’s habit but it’s more of an approximation than an imitation. Reading other responses talking about the cassock as clerical and the alb as liturgical has me changing my mind. I wish altargirls had their own vestments in imitation of nuns.
But whatever they wear, I’m thinking they should be veiled. It’s traditional for lay women and it imitates nuns. What do you think?
I initially favored the cassock and surplice because it resembles a nun’s habit but it’s more of an approximation than an imitation. Reading other responses talking about the cassock as clerical and the alb as liturgical has me changing my mind. I wish altargirls had their own vestments in imitation of nuns.
But whatever they wear, I’m thinking they should be veiled. It’s traditional for lay women and it imitates nuns. What do you think?
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