No rest? Who says Christianity is supposed to be restful? Did Paul have a nice cushy life? or Peter? Or Christ himself? Did HE promise an easy life or did He speak about his followers all denying themselves and taking up their crosses?
A woman who’s HUSBAND… you see? She has a husband. You said it yourself. She cannot have two husbands.
You seem really confused about what a sacramental marriage is but then the US Catholic Church has become an anullement factory, no other part of the Church has as many anullments a year. Why?
I’m definitely not confused about what a sacramental marriage is. I take the sacrament extremely seriously and faithfully. The priest who married my husband and I told us and all of our guests at the mass that we were one of the few Catholic couples he felt were truly prepared spiritually and sacramentally to be married in the Sacrament of Matrimony, especially in a time when marriage has become such a mockery and so many couples do it in the church just because or they want the pretty church. (I know some of my fallen-away family members who have been married twice, thrice, probably weren’t too happy with hearing that.) But thank you for your concern.You seem really confused about what a sacramental marriage is but then the US Catholic Church has become an anullement factory, no other part of the Church has as many anullments a year. Why?
The American way, easy Catholicism, riding in an armchair to heaven.
“I’m soo tired of you Liberal Church of America.”
Redemption is only as far as the nearest confessional…
Wow!!! Your lack of seeing things for reality amazes me. You don’t even take into consideration all those couples who married in a Church service to please their parents (not full consent of each spouses will if doing it to please their parents). That happens a whole lot and until priests cease to marry such couples, annulments will be granted if sought in such cases b/c they actually WERE pressured into marrying, therefore, not approaching the marriage by their own free will. This is just one of many examples on why annulments are granted. To ignore a generational problem for its entirety is just a shame and naive. Don’t blame the liberal church. There are many who return to the Church after being away for many years who realize they want to follow all the teachings and also realize that their former marriages just may have been invalid b/c they themselves said “I Do” at a church service they did not want.You seem really confused about what a sacramental marriage is but then the US Catholic Church has become an anullement factory, no other part of the Church has as many anullments a year. Why?
The American way, easy Catholicism, riding in an armchair to heaven.
“I’m soo tired of you Liberal Church of America.”
You have a point to that as well. If you go on the secular bridal boards, you can see that is happening a lot, although they’re not getting pressured into marriage, more just pressured to get married in a church. It also makes you wonder what kind of religious education people of my generation are getting. So part of the blame is on the a “liberal” or whatever kind of Church who is permitting these marriages in the first place and also not providing a good solid religious education and catechesis so that these couples wouldn’t even find themselves in these kinds of “dilemmas”. I’m not saying that it is the total fault of the Church. There are a lot of factors of what is happening today with the morals and practices of our society, especially in my generation. It’s also not the total fault of my generation either, as we learn from the previous generations. How have priests and religious leaders tried to deal with this? Some have become more easy-going and liberal about it. Others have not and then are blamed for being unreasonable and out of the times. I don’t know what the answer is. You are right, though, we shouldn’t put all the blame on a liberal Church, but they are partly responsible for it.
If its really so easy for you to believe this then please explain why there is so much argument within the church itself. ie. Some people can get an anulment in one diocese but not in the diocese they live in. As I have said before my wife never made it to a tribunal with her anulment as the diocese where she initially inquired rejected her. By the way this was in a different country. I only bring that up as I have been told that she will have a much better chance of getting the marriage annuled here in the United States which I fully intend to pursue. Until then I will use internal forum as my guiding light. By the way I am not a Chef. My son was asking me to make him Chef Boyardee when I had to pick a name; but thank you for your prayers although they are misguided.
Henry. I actually pray for those individuals who have fundamental blinders on. The church is not always correct on everything, and they realize that. That is why the church periodically has its leaders convene to discuss the laws of the Church.
Did you read my earlier response to you?
No, the Church cannot break the marriage any more than anyone else can. It’s not an “annulment” - this is a very common misunderstanding - it’s a “Declaration of Nullity.”
Becaues they don’t look at anything that happens after the wedding takes place. In the case of your friend, the most likely thing is one or both of them didn’t know what was going on at the wedding, and didn’t understand the vows they were taking, for some reason - immaturity, not being in their right mind at the time, or whatever the case may be.
This is extremely unlikely.
Aaah. You are correct. The church is not always correct on everything.
Good heavens! You make choosing to live a life of celibacy sound like the equivalent to cutting off one’s limb! The drama of "should she truly live a life of celibacy
" is really something [emphasis mine].One of the most humbling (and therefore profitable) moments of my life was when I realized that “the people who were more rational with their responses” were not necessarily “inspired by Jesus.” They were simply saying things with which I agreed.
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This is so true, Celeste. Many people, especially girls, were forced or pressured into marriage due to financial gains to the family or for other reasons. As children, my grandmother and her sisters were all betrothed to sons of Chinese businessmen back in the 1920s and 30s because it would bring more money into the family. They were of a very wealthy and affluent family in the Philippines. It had nothing to do with the happiness of the daughters. She escaped getting married to someone she didn’t love by eloping with the man she did love - a “lowly”, poor Filipino of Spanish descent. For this, she was disinherited and lived a “poor man’s” life compared to her previous one and had 10 children, one of which died while hiding from the Japanese during WWII. Despite that period of hell, her life was fairly good. But her sisters did not have happy arranged marriages, as those men were kind of abusive and didn’t take their marriage vows seriously. So back then, would the Church have granted an annulment to my great-aunts if they chose to leave their husbands, especially since they were basically forced into the marriage? The Church probably would today, but would it have happened at that time?
This is interesting. I’ve often wondered similarly. But you have to remember that the church didn’t “invent” marriage. The church came into cultures where marriage customs pre-existed the conversion to Christianity. When Christianity would come into a culture, it never sought to destroy the culture. Rather Christianity sought to uphold those cultural norms that were true and good, while eliminate only those cultural norms that were evil.
Dear Chefboy,Again, we are back to common sense and this seems to be lacking for many of you bent on hell and fire in your responses. I hope your listening here
God Speed to All of You.
Henry you truly need to get a grip on reality. Y
Thanks for your response, jmcrae. Actually, what you quoted was to my first post on this thread, so perhaps you were responding to someone else that had a similar question? Anyway, I appreciate your current response. Thanks!
