Amazon Synod final document: "Terrible and seemingly impious things"

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terrible and seemingly impious This is how Msgr. Charles Pope describes the Amazon synod in an article published in National Catholic Register. "Pope Francis is deeply enmeshed in the Amazon Synod and its outcomes. It is clear that the Synod was stacked with liberal — even radical — members and that all the matters that ordinary Catholics feared going into the synod have been realized. "

All of our fears have been realized - he continues. The whole article is a must read.

 
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Praying that God’s Holy Spirit will guide everything to do with this Synod, how it is perceived, and what it actually is in all its components, and in its outcomes. We ask the Holy Spirit to clarify and purify in the light of truth and divine will, everything that perplexes and makes us uneasy. Holy Spirit, please guide the clergy and the faithful unfailingly along the path where Jesus calls us with the continuing echo in our lives of “follow Me”
 
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Great article. He sums up the plight that the Church is facing at the moment and he doesn’t sugar coat or whitewash what the synod represents.
 
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Note that prostration is a sign of humility and may be done to the good angels and saints, to the cross, icons, not in adoration (reserved for God) but veneration. Also see in the Old Testament examples of prostration before prophet or king.
 
Yes it’s a sign of humility or homage toward someone or something. The point then is to what or to whom were our Catholic leaders humbling themselves? Was it Catholic? Was it Christian? Was it pagan? That is what matters and has so many people truly upset. They saw our leaders giving obeisance to the statue of a pagan deity. Hence the outcry.

I found the article very good. Now I am waiting on Pope Francis’ response to the final document of this Synod. He might surprise us in a good way. I really hope and pray that he does.
 
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Jesus, the Good Shepherd, we trust, we hope and yet we fear, because we are human, and possible change, and unusual occurrences unsettle us. Jesus our Shepherd who watches over Your sheep till the end of time, lead us, guide us, shelter us, always, and in all things.
Father, may Your will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread, forgive our sins and failures, and let us not fall into temptation, but deliver us from all that is not of You.
 
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I read in a history book about a stooge who was made Pope 100’s of years ago, in order to give benefits, titles and positions to people connected to those who ensured his election. After his appointment, the Pope had an immediate and complete conversion and played his part correctly. My point is: God has the ultimate say. I pray for the Pope, cardinals and bishops - maybe not as much as i could - and try not to worry about an outcome that i am powerless to influence.
 
The popes of the renaissance were very questiomable and seeing how eveything worked out might give some hope.
 
An interesting article and it is true that it is troubling when we Catholics keep scratching our head and thinking ‘why did they do that’? or ‘if this is the case, why would they not just do this’?

This paragraph asking about why the atheist journalist, who has made wild claims about what the Pope has said, that had to be rebuked by Vatican officials, is still allowed access to the Pope while some of his own cardinals and bishops are refused, certainly has me wondering too.
 
None of them tried changing dogma, doctrine or anything significant. The most powerful position in Europe, if not the world, is surely going to be sought after by the power-hungry.

One monk became Pope and had serious intention to reform religious life. He was poisoned within 4 days. Next Pope was more temporal-minded…
 
You may be thinking of Thomas a becket who was Archbishop of Canterbury.
 
I opened that link and I can see the Final Document in Spanish only, not in any of the other four languages (English, French, Italian, Portuguese). Is it just my computer, or is it the same for you too? Thanks!
 
A rather broad brush, much too broad. I did a quick count if 38 Pope’s from the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries. Are you really saying they were all “questionable”? Perhaps a couple were, maybe a few.
 
A quote from St Pope John XXIII comes to mind when reading Father Pope’s article …

In the daily exercise of our pastoral office, we sometimes have to listen, much to our regret, to voices of persons who, though burning with zeal, are not endowed with too much sense of discretion or measure. In these modern times they can see nothing but prevarication and ruin. They say that our era, in comparison with past eras, is getting worse, and they behave as though they had learned nothing from history, which is, none the less, the teacher of life. They behave as though at the time of former Councils everything was a full triumph for the Christian idea and life and for proper religious liberty.

We feel we must disagree with those prophets of gloom, who are always forecasting disaster, as though the end of the world were at hand.
 
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