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Lysander
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Destroying idols also comes from the bible, remember the old testament prophets. And in Catholic history remember Saint Benedict and Saint Bonaventure.
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adgloriam
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I didn’t say they were white or middle class. I said they were westerners lacking sensitivity for African/South American indigenous culture.
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graciew
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Some insist on visiting their own correctional facilities so… so be it. They ought to know their laws at least…
I am not participating much more here.
It is the hands of authorities.
And Americans are not like this. Who do some here intend to deceive?
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Rubee
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What do you assume is odd in dark coloured statues of a fully-clothed, veiled Mary holding a rosary? Do you understand why it’s your own assumption that reeks of the attitude you were trying to demonstrate by displaying these as an example of odd-looking iconography?
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CapitalistCatholic
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In other words…
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Aquinas11
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asking where someone is from is the question that should have been asked before this…
apology cue
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MagdalenaRita
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You know most Catholics?
They are very beautiful images and again very MODEST images and respectfully toward Our Mother without nudity! Modest and beautiful.
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@adgloriam you’ve been trying to like heck to defend this act of paganism and I don’t get it. You’ve bent over backwards to insinuate that the wooden idol is Mary (but it’s not and the Vatican said it wasn’t), you’ve also tried to suggest that myself and others aren’t enlightened enough to see the cultural aspects at play here and we all seem to be blinded by a false zeal.
It’s pagan worship. No amount of deflection and misdirection is going to change that.
They allowed false idols to placed inside the church and try as they might you can’t explain that away by insisting that they were stolen and that the theft is more heinous than the idolatry.
It’s pagan worship. No amount of deflection and misdirection is going to change that.
They allowed false idols to placed inside the church and try as they might you can’t explain that away by insisting that they were stolen and that the theft is more heinous than the idolatry.
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MagdalenaRita
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and you know that because???
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graciew
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Thank you! Complex but beautiful place our planet !Well then welcome to earth.
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adgloriam
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Yes I have been all over and met people from all over. As a cradle catholic I was taught from early to appreciate, and be tolerant towards, all differences that go into being Catholic and in being open to those differences. (Here you’ll notice a difference between me and so many of the others.)adgloriam:
You know most Catholics?
Now, here comes the twist most people don’t appreciate. Frequently for simplicity African(Indian) art does not represent clothes. Clothes is implicit, represented by omission. (And the westerner anthropologist/ethnologist/art history would agree.)adgloriam:
They are very beautiful images and again very MODEST images and respectfully toward Our Mother without nudity! Modest and beautiful.
Since most posters (and professional media mongers) miss the above point -which is trivial and immediate- ill will can safely be assumed, and that much will go hand-in-hand with mongering polemics and seeking to hype this issue out of perspective and context, be it ethnographic, iconographic, or theological.
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pnewton
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That was the justification for the Inquisition and other forms of coercive conversion. However, it is not doctrine that such a Faustian deal is real.
We do not get to emulate his deity, though ironical, seeing man as God is another problem with modernism.
It is imagery. If the Church said that the Earth is a type of God, then it would be an idol. But neither mother Earth, sister Moon, or brother sun are idols. They are Catholic imagery.
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CapitalistCatholic
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Now we know you think you’re more enlightened than us because you understand the importance of clothes in foreign iconography?
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MagdalenaRita
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but do you KNOW most Catholics as you said?
There are NO images of the Blessed Mother without clothes! The Vatican has even said the idols were NOT the Blessed Mother! Perhaps African art typically does not represent clothes but these idols are NOT the Blessed Mother and the beautiful images of Her that you have shown are nothing like those wooden idols! You need to stop being disrespectful to the Our Lady!!.
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Crusader13
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The church doesn’t have to say it is a god.
THE PAGANS SAID IT WAS A GOD!!! That’s why we don’t allow that type of belief into the Church!
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pnewton
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There is a reason for subsidiarity in the Church. Making judgments about cultures one does not know is simply not possible. I refuse to think of the people here as bigoted, but I do believe I see a limit of knowledge, for example the confusion of the Inca pantheon with the natives of the Amazon. That is still be repeated this morning.
I have also seen both Cardinal Neuman and St. Francis contradicted. I do not object to that per se, but I would think some people might at least pause and take a step back from their hardened opinions to see both sides. I still think most do not see both sides and are continuing against the straw man of idolatry.
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adgloriam
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I did not say I was “more enlightened”. I said the depiction of clothes in ethnic iconography is absolutely indispensable to appreciate the icons the Indians presented to the pope, and to have a serious dialogue about those icons.
Which is different of aimless rhetoric, and pure argumentativeness. Or pretending to be holier than the pope, and being a 21th century iconoclast in a church in Rome.
(All of this should go without saying…It’s elementary.)
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pnewton
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No we don’t. No one did. That is the straw man.
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Mi_Rose
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Just quoting Cardinal Newman.
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