Amazon Synod idols cast in River Tiber today

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Emeraldlady said:
You are talking about the Old Testament here. That was prior to Christs coming to illuminate our hearts. The New Testament almost exclusively references idolatry in regard to the sins of the flesh.
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Pretty sure the ten commandments transcend testaments and that the New did not legitimize pagan deities or their representation for Christians.
 
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Yes I have been all over and met people from all over. As a cradle catholic I was taught from early to appreciate, and be tolerant towards, all differences that go into being Catholic and in being open to those differences. (Here you’ll notice a difference between me and so many of the others.)
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Where did you see naked pictures in African churches?
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Our Lady is depicted naked in our city Cathedral.

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adgloriam said:
Yes I have been all over and met people from all over. As a cradle catholic I was taught from early to appreciate, and be tolerant towards, all differences that go into being Catholic and in being open to those differences. (Here you’ll notice a difference between me and so many of the others.)
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Yes, as a cradle Catholic having travelled far and wide also, I was never instilled with any terror of ‘idols’. That was always a Protestant thing up until now. The focus of my Catholic upbringing was that enlightened by Christ it is the sins of the flesh that were the subject of idolatry.
 
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PS: I asked if the nude was an African Church because the project here is using “tolerance to non-European” cultures as the magic shut-up card. In fact, non-European Catholics do not do the things being justified here. This is a western project. These areas have established Catholic communities who can evangelize those still unChristianized and they have, amazingly, not needed these elements being legitimized.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
Ours is an Australian Church animated by the culture of the traditional people.
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Ok, so it wasn’t relevant to the point being made about African art re Catholic Churches. The idea was that somehow nudity was part of it: I wonder why African Catholics don’t display nudity in church then. Its just not honest to pretend these projects have anything to do with respect for African culture.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
Interesting. Why is it only ‘wrong’ in Africa and presumably Amazon? This bears out a suspicion I have.
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Someone made a claim about it being typical in Africa. Your city Cathedral is hardly relevant, with due respect. The reason I insist on it is I dislike people in the West using other places for advancement of their own culture wars, relying on the ignorance of most people who haven’t lived in these places who can’t question what they’re told is “typical” in a foreign land. Like this point about nakedness.
 
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It’s from JHN’s famous writing “An Essay on the The Development of the Christian Doctrine” circa 1870. He discusses the ‘assimilative power’ of the Gospel.

The example set by St. Gregory in an age of persecution was impetuously followed when a time of peace succeeded. In the course of the fourth century two movements or developments spread over the face of Christendom, with a rapidity characteristic of the Church; the one ascetic, the other ritual or ceremonial. We are told in various ways by Eusebius [Note 16], that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into a subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us. The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.
 
Try Revelation and 1 Cor 10.

I’ve posted both of them already but if you need me to, I’ll post them again.
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1 Cor 10 7 Do not become idolaters as some of them did; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and they rose up to play.” 8 We must not indulge in sexual immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day.

That just bears out what I said. Idolatry which in the past given license through figure representation of a god, is now understood to be given license by treating the body as a god. Enlightened by Christ we understand that it is our own freely chosen sinful acts that we should be ‘destroying’ and throwing into the Tiber.
 
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There’s a program by a Jewish Catholic i forget: an entire series teaching about all the jewish elements in the church and liturgy that most Catholics don’t know about. I learned that outside sacred images, Catholic churches are very similar to synagogues in many ways.
 
As a cradle Catholic practicing for the last 57 years in a family that is deeply steeped in the faith and has given numerous members to religious life including a diocesan bishop, I’m am blessed to be assured in my faith and my respect for the Pope.
 
When Catholics honor statues, its because we want to honor and/or worship who the statue represents. If the Amazon figure represents “life, fertility, mother earth,” are those people who participated in the ceremony worshipping and giving honor to life, fertility, and mother earth? Huh?? Even if the image itself wasn’t being worshipped, the whole thing is still confusing at best.
 
Emeraldlady said:
You are talking about the Old Testament here. That was prior to Christs coming to illuminate our hearts. The New Testament almost exclusively references idolatry in regard to the sins of the flesh.
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Okay, so now I am really surprised to hear this from a Catholic. Are you saying that it is okay to worship pagan idols? because it is not. Never heard what you posted from a Catholic before

While it is true we do not follow the OT Torah laws but the OT moral laws - yes, and that includes the Ten Commandments which Christ said were summed up by loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind and your neighbor as yourself. That means no worshipping pagan idols.
Emeraldlady said:
The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church .
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Nowhere in that list is worship of pagan idols

So, most all of these things were also in Jewish worship and you can read and find all of this in the OT, in great detail. The book you are quoting from is 480 pages. What else might he have said before and after that paragraph?

This book linked below is mostly about the EF and the symbolism, most from the OT. If you understand the symbols in the EF, you understand the symbols in the Ordinary form also.

https://www.amazon.com/Treasure-Tradition-Ultimate-Guide-Latin/dp/193663936X

This one she goes into great detail in how the OF of the Mass and our Catholic faith fullfills and has meaning from the OT, Jewish faith.


So, again, no pagan idols allowed.
 
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Drs. Marshall and Gordon did a good job of answering the theft accusation.
 
Does anyone remember when Native American shamans were allowed to perform a purification rite at the canonization of St. Juan Diego? I don’t blame St. John Paul II. He was very sick.

 
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