America Freedom to Fascism Documentary on IRS and income tax

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Michael_C said:
Hi pnewton,

A big part of the problem is exactly what you state. The income tax does not pay for any services. It’s only purpose is to make rich bankers richer.

Gas taxes pay for the infrastructure, Property taxes pay for Education, Corporate taxes pay for the military, Income tax pays the interest on money given to the government by the federal reserve which is not a government entity.

Before pushing the movie aside you should see it.

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I can’t speak for the feds, but I work in my state’s government and our state income tax does most definately go to pay for basic services such as fire, police, etc. Also, property taxes do not go to the feds. I’m sure they vary by state and local millages, but here they pay for state education funding and local services. None of that money goes to the federal government.
 
Michael_C said:
Before pushing the movie aside you should see it.

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I watched the first half before pushing it aside. It doesn’t take that long to recognize kookiness. This theory is right up there with government conspiracies to cover up 9/11 and Area 51. I don’t buy the basic premises that the 16th wasn’t ratified (take it to court, if you believe it) or that AMerica is fascist. I live here. I know better.
 
maryalene said:
I haven’t watched the movie, but I have read websites before that claim the income tax is voluntary. However, they seemed to hinge on the idea that the 16th Amendment wasn’t ratified because the amendment language was changed slightly by some states. These changes were incidental from what I could tell - missing commas, words such as “the” and “a” missing or added.

I would be interested to know what Supreme Court case ruled that the income tax is voluntary. We had a local court case recently in which an individual was charged for encouraging others not to pay their income taxes since he asserted that they were voluntary. The court ruled against the individual, and I can’t believe that a lower court would rule in opposition to a Supreme Court decision. Maybe it’s already been cited and I missed it, but does anyone know the Supreme Court case?
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I know I’m a little late, but I am confused about something. I just checked this link usconstitution.com/read.htm#a16
and it looks to me like the 16th amendment authorizes income tax. Am I missing something?:confused:
 
The various courts have backed up the IRS and the state tax collectors.

Who was it who said that the two things we will always have are death and taxes?
 
Ana said:
I know I’m a little late, but I am confused about something. I just checked this link usconstitution.com/read.htm#a16
and it looks to me like the 16th amendment authorizes income tax. Am I missing something?:confused:
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That’s the main crux of the argument against income tax, as I understand it. That the income tax amendment was not properly approved so it is not really part of the Constitution and therefore, you don’t have to pay your income tax. However, it seems like grasping at straws to me.
 
maryalene said:
That’s the main crux of the argument against income tax, as I understand it. That the income tax amendment was not properly approved so it is not really part of the Constitution and therefore, you don’t have to pay your income tax. However, it seems like grasping at straws to me.
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Ah okay … I get it.

So before an amendment is added to the Constitution, it needs to go through an “approval process.” The claim being that in the case of the 16th amendment, this process did not take place? Who authorized the waiving of the approval process, if that was the case?

It may be grasping at straws relating to the hope of doing anything about it now, but it would still be very wrong if it were true.

Did someone say the Federal Reserve is privately owned?:eek:
 
Ana said:
Ah okay … I get it.

So before an amendment is added to the Constitution, it needs to go through an “approval process.” The claim being that in the case of the 16th amendment, this process did not take place? Who authorized the waiving of the approval process, if that was the case?
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The approval process wasn’t waived. Once an amendment to the Constitution is proposed and passed by the U.S. Congress, 3/4 of the states must ratify it - that is, their Legislatures or a convention must vote and approve it. Officially, 42 states ratified the 16th Amendment. However, here’s a paragraph from wikipedia that provides a pretty good summary as to why some say it was not ratified:

Some tax protesters, conspiracy investigators, and others opposed to income taxes cite what they contend is evidence that the Sixteenth Amendment was never “properly ratified.” One such argument is that because the legislatures of various states passed resolutions of ratification with different capitalization, spelling of words, or punctuation marks (e.g. semi-colons instead of commas) from the text proposed by Congress, those states’ ratifications were invalid. A related argument is that various states illegally violated procedural requirements of their constitutions when passing their ratification resolutions. Another argument made by some tax protesters regards Ohio, one of the states listed as ratifying the amendment. They contend that because Congress did not pass an official proclamation recognizing Ohio’s date of admission (1803) to statehood until 1953 (see Ohio Constitution), Ohio was not a state until 1953 (and, therefore, could not have ratified the Sixteenth Amendment). These and similar arguments have been universally rejected by the courts.

This paragraph is from the article on this page:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

There is also an entire wikipedia article on tax protesters and their arguments that can be found here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_constitutional_arguments#Arguments_that_the_Sixteenth_Amendment_was_never_ratified
 
Oh wow … It’s a month later. I completely forgot about this thread. I’m sorry I was somewhere looking for my mind.:o

Thank you both for the links.🙂
 
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