American catholicism and support for Israel?

[YKohen]

I apologize. Quoting the Bible is SO not PC.

 

[InJesusItrust]

I have no idea what the intent of that comment was.

You were complaining about calling it land.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I can only wonder what the reaction of the towns people was like. They must have felt outraged and saddened by the loss, but at the same time probably too afraid to speak out against the assassination for fear that a terrorist might find out.

What a shame.

One of the realities in the West Bank and seemingly in the Arab world as a whole is the presence and power of “gangs”. Some are radical Islamists. Some are jockeying for political power. Some are carrying out tribal vendettas. Some are just criminals.

 

[Francoist]

One of the realities in the West Bank and seemingly in the Arab world as a whole is the presence and power of “gangs”. Some are radical Islamists. Some are jockeying for political power. Some are carrying out tribal vendettas. Some are just criminals.

The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan had to crush the Palestinians in 1970 because they had taken over half the country in a regime of armed gangs. The country was becoming paralyzed by lawlessness and corruption and the Palestinians were likely gearing up for a Marxist revolution to topple the whole kingdom.

No good deed goes unpunished I guess!

 

[wxornot]

I apologize. Quoting the Bible is SO not PC.

LOL

 

[wxornot]

You were complaining about calling it land.

That still leaves me missing the point. But then again I am sometimes slow.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

In other words, you think that the Jews are more powerful than G-d Himself. because as the G-d of history, either it is or it isn’t His will. If it is, then all of the promises throughout the Bible are taking place as they were plainly written, and if it isn’t, then the only explanation is that the Jews are more powerful than He is.

And yet their numbers grow smaller and smaller by the year. Even they are recognizing Ezekiel 36-37 as now.

So the Holocaust was his will too?

I wish someone would answer when through history there was a nation called Palestine. Not a piece of land…but a nation.

Nations are created for/by a people, a people are not created by a nation (except Italians).

The irony is that it was ONLY the Jews who were refered to as “Palestinians” 100 years ago.

The Arabs here refered to themselves as “Arabs” or “southern Syrians”.

Well, the Palestinians referred to themselves as Palestinian, later when the British came they referred to them as Palestinians.

The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan had to crush the Palestinians in 1970 because they had taken over half the country in a regime of armed gangs. The country was becoming paralyzed by lawlessness and corruption and the Palestinians were likely gearing up for a Marxist revolution to topple the whole kingdom.

No good deed goes unpunished I guess!

What good deed?

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Nice link

Now you are just being facetious. Not all Israelis/Jews/non-Jewish Israelis are zionists.

 

[wxornot]

So the Holocaust was his will too?

Nations are created for/by a people, a people are not created by a nation (except Italians).

Well, the Palestinians referred to themselves as Palestinian, later when the British came they referred to them as Palestinians.

What good deed?

All either misleading or irrelevant.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

All either misleading or irrelevant.

1. His point is absurd
2. Nations don’t exist before they exist, all are created at some point and nation-states are create by a people (only exception I can think of is Israel). The British promised a state to the Palestinians.
3. His point was wrong.
4. Francoist was saying no good deed goes unpunished so I asked “what good deed did Jordan do?”

 

[wxornot]

1. His point is absurd
2. Nations don’t exist before they exist, all are created at some point and nation-states are create by a people (only exception I can think of is Israel). The British promised a state to the Palestinians.
3. His point was wrong.
4. Francoist was saying no good deed goes unpunished so I asked “what good deed did Jordan do?”

Here’s the point. I’m tired of uneducated Catholics with regards to the Palestinians. They’ve been thrown out of Arab countries. Why? Because they are a problem where ever they live. The Arabs argue with Israel over this because they FEAR having to absorb the Palestinians.

 

[InJesusItrust]

Here’s the point. I’m tired of uneducated Catholics with regards to the Palestinians. They’ve been thrown out of Arab countries. Why? Because they are a problem where ever they live. The Arabs argue with Israel over this because they FEAR having to absorb the Palestinians.

In that case Israelis and Palistanians are more alike then different. Europeans did not think that integration was possible and did not want another Holocaust.

 

[wxornot]

In that case Israelis and Palistanians are more alike then different. Europeans did not think that integration was possible and did not want another Holocaust.

Jews and Arabs are more alike than different. I agree. Except for one thing. Arabs are mainly Muslim. I’ve read the unholy Koran. It is vial and violent. As a Christian you should be concerned about what Mohammad had to say about you. Jews just ignore the differences between Jews and Christians for the most part. Yes there are radical Orthodox Jews that hate Christianity…but I haven’t seen them lop off the heads of many Christians lately. Please stop being a politically correct “Catholic”. It’s unbecoming.

 

[wxornot]

In that case Israelis and Palistanians are more alike then different. Europeans did not think that integration was possible and did not want another Holocaust.

597 The historical complexity of Jesus’ trial is apparent in the Gospel accounts. The personal sin of the participants (Judas, the Sanhedrin, Pilate) is known to God alone. Hence we cannot lay responsibility for the trial on the Jews in Jerusalem as a whole, despite the outcry of a manipulated crowd and the global reproaches contained in the apostles’ calls to conversion after Pentecost.385 Jesus himself, in forgiving them on the cross, and Peter in following suit, both accept “the ignorance” of the Jews of Jerusalem and even of their leaders.386 Still less can we extend responsibility to other Jews of different times and places, based merely on the crowd’s cry: “His blood be on us and on our children!”, a formula for ratifying a judicial sentence.387 As the Church declared at the Second Vatican Council:

. . . [N]either all Jews indiscriminately at that time, nor Jews today, can be charged with the crimes committed during his Passion. . . [T]he Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed as if this followed from holy Scripture.388

 

[wxornot]

In that case Israelis and Palistanians are more alike then different. Europeans did not think that integration was possible and did not want another Holocaust.

Something tells me you would defend Muslims but not Jews.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Here’s the point. I’m tired of uneducated Catholics with regards to the Palestinians. They’ve been thrown out of Arab countries. Why? Because they are a problem where ever they live. The Arabs argue with Israel over this because they FEAR having to absorb the Palestinians.

Large amounts of refugees create problems by the nature of being refugees. Why would non-Palestinians want to help Palestinians?

 

[YKohen]

So the Holocaust was his will too?

I already answered that in my previous post. Man has free will to do good or evil. Those who were involved in perpetrating the Holocaust chose evil.

And I see that you haven’t been able to deal with the verses in Ezekiel that I posted (as well as the rest in chapters 36-37).

Again, I ask:How many other examples in history can you come up with of a nation being exiled from their land for nearly 2000 years- to the 4 corners of the earth- and not only did they not disappear, not assimilate, but actually returned to their land as was promised in their holy books?

Name a few.

Can’t? OK, then name one (besides the nation of Israel).

And the biggest "coincidence’ is that hundreds of millions of Israel’s enemies haven’t managed to prevent it.

I think we all can agree that G-d is the G-d of history. So if it isn’t His will, then how is it happening?

Since the Sabbath is coming and I will be offline, you have at least a day to do some diligent research and come up with answers.

I can’t wait to hear them.

 

[wxornot]

Large amounts of refugees create problems by the nature of being refugees. Why would non-Palestinians want to help Palestinians?

You are seriously missing the point. Why should the Jews take in Arabs?

 

[InJesusItrust]

Jews and Arabs are more alike than different. I agree. Except for one thing. Arabs are mainly Muslim. I’ve read the unholy Koran. It is vial and violent. As a Christian you should be concerned about what Mohammad had to say about you. Jews just ignore the differences between Jews and Christians for the most part. Yes there are radical Orthodox Jews that hate Christianity…but I haven’t seen them lop off the heads of many Christians lately. Please stop being a politically correct “Catholic”. It’s unbecoming.

You are being politically correct. The history of Jews in Europe tells us that serious adherents of the faith are just as dangerous as fanatical Muslims. Maybe the US hasn’t learned that lesson, being a young nation, but Europeans sent them away for a reason. You do not need to lop off heads to destroy a nation.

 

[The_Bucket]

Large amounts of refugees create problems by the nature of being refugees. Why would non-Palestinians want to help Palestinians?

This is quite right. Leaders of other Arab nations have only wanted to use the Palestinians as pawns in their fight against the Jews. Palestinians are pretty much second-class citizens to them. It just so happens that the Jews are even lower.

The Palestinian/Israeli battle is one area where Arab leaders can score unity among their people and take the populace’s eyes off of the abuse going on in their own backyard. It worked for quite some time, though as we’ve seen from Egypt to Syria, the locals are finally more concerned about what’s happened to THEM as opposed to what’s going on with the Israelis and Palestinians.

The Muslim world is far, far from united. The Israeli/Palestinian dispute is simply a convenient distraction Arab leaders have used to maintain brutal and absolute power over their states. Notice how there is little sabre-rattling about an actual war these days. They know they’d get absolutely worked over by the Israelis. Instead they turn to more subtle ways of ensuring that the embers flare up from time to time so that they can keep the wool pulled over the eyes over their own people.