Americans Vote for Maturity

[dixieagle]

I think Peggy Noonan hits the nail on the head (as usual.)

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[didymus]

I think Peggy Noonan hits the nail on the head (as usual.)

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She sure has Sarah Palin’s number – OUCH!!
I don’t think I’d want Ms Noonan mad at me.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

She sure has Sarah Palin’s number – OUCH!!
I don’t think I’d want Ms Noonan mad at me.

Is it possible? A conservative like Ms. Noonan putting down Palin? Sure, George Bush said that he considers Palin unqualified, but he, according to most conservatives, isn’t a “real” conservative, so his opinions don’t count to the faithful.

What is this world coming too when The Sarah is being criticized by a true conservative luminary?

 

[dixieagle]

Is it possible? A conservative like Ms. Noonan putting down Palin? Sure, George Bush said that he considers Palin unqualified, but he, according to most conservatives, isn’t a “real” conservative, so his opinions don’t count to the faithful.

What is this world coming too when The Sarah is being criticized by a true conservative luminary?

Thank heavens for bright conservatives like Peggy Noonan calling them as she sees them.

I don’t remember the last time I voted for a Democrat, as life issues disqualify most of them immediately for me, but I have been appalled at the popularity Sarah Palin has achieved. I am of the opinion that we need bright, experienced candidates who are inquisitive, well-read and well-informed about domestic policy and global issues. This does not describe Sarah Palin. I admire her for putting her money where her mouth is on the value of all human life, but I think she is no more qualified to be president than I am (on second thought, I finish what I start…)

 

[rlg94086]

I agree with her analysis regarding Palin. I think this statement also applies to Obama: “Here is an old tradition badly in need of return: You have to earn your way into politics. You should go have a life, build a string of accomplishments, then enter public service.”

…but don’t hold your breath for a “liberal luminary” to criticize Obama in the same way. He came in without the experience and string of accomplishments, but this doesn’t seem to bother Democrats.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I agree with her analysis regarding Palin. I think this statement also applies to Obama: “Here is an old tradition badly in need of return: You have to earn your way into politics. You should go have a life, build a string of accomplishments, then enter public service.”

Quite right. And, the very reason I couldn’t vote for Obama in '08.

…but don’t hold your breath for a “liberal luminary” to criticize Obama in the same way. He came in without the experience and string of accomplishments, but this doesn’t seem to bother Democrats.

I think those Dems were overcome by the notion of a black man becoming President. Not a bad notion, but bad when there’s nothing to support the pride in that historical moment.

Hillary was my choice, but…there we are.

 

[1voice]

She sure has Sarah Palin’s number – OUCH!!
I don’t think I’d want Ms Noonan mad at me.

Gaffe or no gaffe… Sarah Palin is a powerhouse.
She single handedly raises tons of money for Republican contenders. That won!
… and for all the years that Reagan was in the spotlight not a week went by that some ‘journalist’ or magazine or newscast or…or… or…
didnt take a shot at him in the hope of it being the one to finally bring down the old boy. Palin is known by the number of her detractors as much as Reagan was. Nancy Reagan once pointed out to an interviewer … all the Time/ Newsweek Magazine covers on the wall at the Reagan Library. She mentioned that every one of the covers were attacks against the man that stood at the core of the strategy that finally broke the back of the USSR.

Sarah Palin may have her flaws … but, to the core, she is a woman of steel. She can’t only out fish and out hunt most men… ( she made her living running a fishing boat in the Bearing Sea) … She chose life for her most recent child. She was a Mayor and a Governor. For years she raised her family while her husband was gone for 6 to 9 months of the year working on the oil rigs on the North Slope of Alaska. She pivoted off of her nomination to VP to become one of the most feared people by the left. Everywhere she goes people give willingly because she shines with life and enthusiasm and determination. She is a real person who takes life by the horns. If we all stood against socialism like she does … this country would be thriving and not waiting for Obama’s next gaffe.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Sarah Palin may have her flaws

May have?

She can’t only out fish and out hunt most men… ( she made her living fishing in the Bearing Sea)

When did she work on a fishing trawler? And, how is the ability to out-fish and out-hunt men a qualification for POTUS??

She chose life for her most recent child.

So have many women.

She was a Mayor and a Governor.

Governor until she quit, that is.

She pivoted off of her nomination to VP to become one of the most feared people by the left.

More like made fun of by the left.

Everywhere she goes people give willingly because she shines with life and enthusiasm and determination.

If you think that is why people give to politicians, you ought to think again.

She is a real person who takes life by the horns.

There are none others who do that?

If we all stood against socialism like she does

When was she criticizing China or Vietnam, those Socialist nations?

Don’t elevate her to sainthood yet.

 

[1voice]

May have?

When did she work on a fishing trawler? And, how is the ability to out-fish and out-hunt men a qualification for POTUS??

So have many women.

Governor until she quit, that is.

More like made fun of by the left.

If you think that is why people give to politicians, you ought to think again.

There are none others who do that?

When was she criticizing China or Vietnam, those Socialist nations?

Don’t elevate her to sainthood yet.

Rich,
I realize that some people will never get it.
… A lot of people bad mouth Reagan to this day.
Greg

 

[rlg94086]

Quite right. And, the very reason I couldn’t vote for Obama in '08.

I think those Dems were overcome by the notion of a black man becoming President. Not a bad notion, but bad when there’s nothing to support the pride in that historical moment.

Hillary was my choice, but…there we are.

While I still won’t hold my breath, I do expect to see a (Bill) Clinton experienced president v Obama inexperienced president comparison someday. Surely, some Democrats have noticed the difference, as I’m sure you do.

 

[MarianD]

I think those Dems were overcome by the notion of a black man becoming President.

Definitely not. The Democratic base who voted for Obama always vote Democrat. The blacks who voted for Obama overwhelmingly vote Democrat every election, though a few more from about 90% voting Democrat in 2004 to 95% voting Democrat in 2008) came out to vote for Obama, and other non-white demographics also voted for Obama because they always overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

Obama didn’t win because of the Democrats but because of the Independents. He won the Independent vote because of the economy and his successful portrayal of John McCain as being W. Bush no. 2 (which is bad when W. Bush no. 1 had a 20% approval rating).

Hillary was my choice, but…there we are.

She would’ve been better, I agree.

 

[TheTrueCentrist]

Goodness, is that supposed to pass as some sort of acute insight?

“If the people we pick to represent our organization are demonstrably crazy, we won’t be successful.”

I think Rep. Bob Inglis’ assessment of the Tea Party is much more profound.
motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/bob-inglis-tea-party-casualty

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Rich,
I realize that some people will never get it.
… A lot of people bad mouth Reagan to this day.
Greg

You compare Palin and her “accomplishments” to President Reagan and his?

She is a great draw, a good booster, and even a good money raiser, but Republicans are too wise to let her run for President. Tht would give Obama a win in '12 on a silver platter.

 

[Andrew1983]

Goodness, is that supposed to pass as some sort of acute insight?

“If the people we pick to represent our organization are demonstrably crazy, we won’t be successful.”

I think Rep. Bob Inglis’ assessment of the Tea Party is much more profound.
motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/bob-inglis-tea-party-casualty

Oh Good Grief, not another Obama can’t possibly be a Marxist/Socialist/some other kind of Communist because he disagrees with 1 or 2 things rant.

How do you justify collaboration with known communists/sympathizers that exist to this day such as Andy Stern, Van Jones, Ron Bloom, Anita Dunn, etc.?

 

[ishii]

Is it possible? A conservative like Ms. Noonan putting down Palin? Sure, George Bush said that he considers Palin unqualified, but he, according to most conservatives, isn’t a “real” conservative, so his opinions don’t count to the faithful.

What is this world coming too when The Sarah is being criticized by a true conservative luminary?

I don’t count Noonan as a “real conservative” either. She voted for Obama. Haven’t read a column from her since.

I should mention that I was always a huge fan of Peggy Noonan. Until she committed the heresy of voting for Obama.

Ishii

 

[Andrew1983]

I don’t count Noonan as a “real conservative” either. She voted for Obama. Haven’t read a column from her since.

I should mention that I was always a huge fan of Peggy Noonan. Until she committed the heresy of voting for Obama.

Ishii

Ditto.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I don’t count Noonan as a “real conservative” either. She voted for Obama. Haven’t read a column from her since.

What do you gain by putting your fingers into your ears and keep saying, “I’m not listening, Ms. Noonan. I’m not listening, Ms. Noonan”?

I’m quite liberal, yet I read what conservatives have to say.

 

[MarianD]

Oh Good Grief, not another Obama can’t possibly be a Marxist/Socialist/some other kind of Communist because he disagrees with 1 or 2 things rant.

You are aware that there is a huge difference between Socialism and Communism, right? Anyone who has taken any political science class or knows anything about political theory will tell you this.

Socialism: The view that the government should control all essential businesses and programs (eg. electric companies, healthcare companies, housing projects, etc.). Other businesses, such as shoe companies or clothing companies, should be held in private hands.

Communism: The view that society should be Atheist, classless, and that no one should have private property. All things are to be owned by the government.

I’m sure you can see the difference.

Either way, Obama isn’t a communist for various reasons. He does have some socialist views, but so do most politicians. That doesn’t make him a socialist because a socialist, by definition, is someone who advocates for the government running all essential businesses. Keyword here is ALL. You can’t be “half-socialist”. It’s all or nothing.

How do you justify collaboration with known communists/sympathizers that exist to this day such as Andy Stern, Van Jones, Ron Bloom, Anita Dunn, etc.?

Most of my friends are liberal. Does this make me liberal?

Your argument is based on the association fallacy and has no standing.

 

[Andrew1983]

What do you gain by putting your fingers into your ears and keep saying, “I’m not listening, Ms. Noonan. I’m not listening, Ms. Noonan”?

I’m quite liberal, yet I read what conservatives have to say.

I personally can’t take “liberal” commentators seriously, so I just don’t waste my time. On the flip side, I will go and read what liberals in actual government positions read to see if they’re as out-of-whack as the conservative talk show hosts claim them to be. For example, we hear a lot of how Cass Sunstein is a dangerous man because he is the Information Regulatory Czar. The book “Nudge” written by him and Richard Thaler is mentioned quite often on the Glenn Beck Program. Okay. Fine, I’ll read Nudge (I own the book and have read it, and yeah, there are some eyebrow-raising passages).

I realize that Cass has written other stuff asides from Nudge and that may be worth reading.

I do have some books of Jim Wallis, Barry Lynd, Cloward and Piven, Obama, George Soros, etc. as well that I plan to read. Right now, I’m juggling between Michael Savage’s Trickle Up Poverty and Penguin Classics’ The Complete Dead Seas Scrolls in English along with the Qur’an (Surah II) and as of tonight, starting the King James Version Bible with the Book of Genesis.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Ditto.

I bet you she is one of those that is regretting voting for Obama right now----BIG TIME.

The problem with the “intellectual” type of conservatives like Noonan and (let’s say) David Brooks and Christopher Buckley, is that they ultimately TOO intellectual----and as a result, out of the mainstream of current American Public Opinion. They just PRETEND they are relevant. Brooks particularly is not really conservative----he’s just what the New York Times puts out as its own version of a “Conservative.”
Buckley ALSO voted for Obama, BTW (Wonder what dearly missed Daddy thought of THAT)—earning him a dismissal from National Review. Oh, well.
Wonder if he is regretting that decision ALSO.