I’m sure a lot of people look at it like that. That doesn’t change the fact that it is a terrible way to select justices, and the one person who should not think like that is the person responsible for nominating them.
This is the typical rejoinder when Democrats are found doing something unseemly. It is easy to allege, just not so easy to demonstrate. Name a (GOP) president or nominee who took a position for an outcome rather than against an argument. There are competing judicial philosophies, and typically Republican presidents have looked for candidates who believe the Constitution is not a “living document”, but rather that it means today what it meant when it was written.
When we vote for a person we vote for the entire platform he and his party represent, even the ones we personally oppose. A vote for Biden is a vote for abortion whether we want it or not. The votes of Catholic Democrats personally opposed to abortion are indistinguishable from those cast by the most die-hard pro-abortionist. The result will be the same.
Support the man and you’re supporting his policies. That’s especially true when it’s something huge and supremely evil, like abortion.
If one cannot vote for Trump, and they also do not wish to support abortion, they have two other moral options available.
The danger of four more Trump years makes voting for the other party’s candidate, and not staying home or voting third party, imperative.
Nope. I don’t support abortion. I don’t think the President has a huge impact on abortions. There are more important overriding issues.
A vote for a candidate that openly supports abortion is support for abortion.
You don’t think the supreme court justices influence the legality of abortion?
Yeah. One can make that claim.
What for, exactly?
I didn’t say Supreme, I said President.
No matter how many times you say it, it still isn’t true. And in any case, neither the R nor the D in this election is absolutely opposed to all abortions, so there is a level of support there either way.
I can’t speak for @PaulinVA, but I don’t think that all abortions being illegal throughout the US will happen in my lifetime or the lifetimes of my children or any children they may have regardless of who sits on the Supreme Court. I believe the best and quickest way to stop abortions is education and convincing, along with help for the mother to keep their child where it is needed, and not yelling or threats.
To learn what the USCCB teaches rather than random internet poster’s personal opinions.
Of course we bear that responsibility. Actually I don’t ‘support’ abortion, but I think it should remain legal.
I know exactly what you said.
Fortunately many others have not lost hope.
Actually, I don’t think the USCCB has the authority to teach. Bishops do, but the conference does not have any unique authority.
There is a proportionality that must be considered. If I were to keep my point simple, lets compare abortion and the death penalty. The CC considers them both to be wrong. However, last numbers I see on abortion show 862,000 (per Guttmacher) in 2017. In 2019, there were 22 deaths due to the death penalty. Does 22 override 862,000?vz71:
Nope. I don’t support abortion. I don’t think the President has a huge impact on abortions. There are more important overriding issues.
Read the Bishops’ voting guide.
Understanding reality does not equal losing hope.
And I think that says a lot about you.
It absolutely is.
That is true.
Does this belief allow support for abortion?
You mean that abortion is the preeminent issue?
I very much want to help the poor and sick and hungry.
Assuming they survived that long.
I think we should care for people throughout life.