An Eviction Crisis Is Coming — We Need to Treat Housing as a Right

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PaulinVA said:
I have to say that I’m shocked that a magazine like Teen Vogue would want to do away with property rights. Crazy.
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I suspect their views on property rights would be different if their copyrights were violated or if their advertisers failed to pay for the ads in that rag. What if they decided not to pay the writer wrote this garbage? I could hear the screams from New York in Indiana.

I know that Teen Vogue is no longer literally a rag, because it is now an online only publication. That means parents are less likely to see the indoctrination being pushed into their daughters’ minds. Thank you for letting at least some parents know this is going on.
 
Homeless Vets were lauded on CAF in response to the housing problems of immigrants/refugees in crisis. Meme’s were all the rage in their portrayal of homeless Vets on the street comparing their needs to those who would supposedly ravage “the system”.

Tell me, should these same continue to have housing rights?

The richest country in the world has streets littered with the bodies of those that fought our wars. Disgusting, even now that they aren’t being utilized for the purpose of an election.

Housing is as much a right as clean water, food, medical care in it’s original design it was originally fashioned under for everyone.
 
PaulinVA said:
In fact, I’d say a large number are fine with socialism.
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I think a lot young people in America confuse socialism with social democracy (Norway), which operates in the framework of capitalism but uses high taxation to create a safety net.
I’m not sure how reliable “Trading Economics” is as a source but it’s Google’s first result. If they’re reliable, then Norway’s home ownership rate is above 80%.
 
Perhaps they will back up their words with a donation of their office space to the homeless?
 
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Regular_Atheist said:
but landlords are a much disliked segment of the population and I’m sure many people hope for them to one day be done away with, me included.
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That’s what many of us around the world have done on the “micro” scale. I live in a housing co-operative in BC. We, the 74 resident members, collectively own our $20 million property (building and land)…each year we elect a 7 person Board that acts as the “landlord” for all intents and purposes. It works out very nicely…and my family is able to “rent” a three bedroom home for much less than market cost, while also having a lot of say in the complex as a whole (I’m currently on the Board). I highly recommend it. You don’t have your own backyard, but we have a very spacious communal yard with benches, a playground, lots of trees… “rent” (we actually call it housing charges) only goes up when the 74 members vote for an increase, which we recently did to fund necessary maintenance and upgrades.
 
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ATraveller said:
I think a lot young people in America confuse socialism with social democracy (Norway), which operates in the framework of capitalism but uses high taxation to create a safety net.
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I think that’s probably true.
 
I basically resent the broad-brushed and prejudicial mindset that all pet owners are irresponsible, which seems to be the attitude of most if not all landlords/ladies who deny their tenants the enjoyment and enrichment of keeping pets, while they freely grant themselves that special privilege. It’s like saying that THEY are the only ones capable of or willing to be responsible pet owners. It has a self-righteous ring to it.

Yes, it’s their property and they can set the rules, but the attitude of contempt toward tenants having pets feels mean-spirited.

That’s how it comes across to me.

I have no problem with them charging pet deposits and allowing pets. That’s much more reasonable than banning pets altogether.
 
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JanR said:
I basically resent the broad-brushed and prejudicial mindset that all pet owners are irresponsible, which seems to be the attitude of most if not all landlords/ladies who deny their tenants the enjoyment and enrichment of keeping pets, while they freely grant themselves that special privilege. It’s like saying that THEY are the only ones capable of or willing to be responsible pet owners. It has a self-righteous ring to it.

Yes, it’s their property and they can set the rules, but the attitude of contempt toward tenants having pets feels mean-spirited.

That’s how it comes across to me.

I have no problem with them charging pet deposits and allowing pets. That’s much more reasonable than banning pets altogether.
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I think you’re missing my point.

I am a homeowner and I have a dog. I am also a responsible dog owner.
Do you know what my dog does? He sheds.
He also defecates in my backyard. And yes I keep a clean house

I am also going to live in my home for the next 20 years. I don’t know what’s going to happen once retirement comes. But, for the rest of my working days, this is where my husband and I are planted.

Now lets say that instead of being homeowners we are renters.
Most renters only have 1 year contracts to stay in their rentals.
Which would mean that a landlord would potentially need to take into consideration their property needing to be vacated, cleaned up and turned over to new renters potentially on a yearly basis.

So if I was a tenant then my shedding dog may leave pet dander. That may be fine for me, but that really may be a problem for the next year’s tenants.
And while we do pick up his feces, lets be honest sometimes we do go a couple weeks between the task. A landlord may still rightly be annoyed of finding feces in a backyard that, again in a years time, he must maintain, and potentially turn over to next year’s tenants.

There is a difference between people living as property owners on their own property and tenants in a rental. Its not self righteousness. it is necessary for the landlord to take into consideration that they only have one year’s contract with their tenants.
 
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Very modest. The original construction was funded by a mortgage (that we will have paid off in a couple years). The share purchase for new members is very modest as it’s understood that you continue to pay towards the mortgage, maintenance, upkeep etc through your monthly housing charge which is about 80% of market rent right now.
The trick is getting in. Before we moved in, the three of us had to sit through an hour interview with a panel of five “old ladies” who grilled us :).
Detached houses go for $1.5M+ here, so I’m a big proponent of the co-op concept!
 
Allie1 said:
A landlord may still rightly be annoyed of finding feces in a backyard that, again in a years time, he must maintain, and potentially turn over to next year’s tenants.
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I built a couple of duplexes with very large yards. I put up high fences and connected the bottoms of them to cattle panels I laid on the ground and wired to the bottom of the fences, then buried. No dog can get in or out by digging or jumping. So, yes, there is always some feces in the back yards of those who have dogs. However, a driving rain will “melt” it into the soil, fertilizing it. So that’s not one of my worries.

The pet concern is indoors, and it’s mainly cats because a lot of people are allergic to cat dander. I don’t permit inside animals. It must be said, though, that winters here are such that I have never seen or heard tell of a pet dying of the cold. It’s hot in the summer for them, but if they have plenty of water, they’re okay.
 
People have really gotten crazy with animals and treat them too much like people. I have two dogs I’m very fond of but this whole idea that pets have to be indoors is odd to me.
 
RhodesianSon said:
I have two dogs I’m very fond of but this whole idea that pets have to be indoors is odd to me.
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It is going to depend on the environment. I had a couple of cats that were mostly kept inside. I could have left them outside, but there would have been some potential conflicts because of the local coyotes.
 
RhodesianSon said:
People have really gotten crazy with animals and treat them too much like people. I have two dogs I’m very fond of but this whole idea that pets have to be indoors is odd to me.
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There might be climates where they need to be indoors sometimes. And there might be breeds that are vulnerable. But basically, cats and dogs are better equipped to live outdoors than indoors, in my opinion. Might need some kind of shelter for them outdoors in places where it gets well below zero, and any kind of overhang will suffice for rain.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It is going to depend on the environment
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Naturally, a Mexican hairless won’t fair well in Alaska, nor an Alaskan malamute in Arizona.

But that goes back to being responsible and not buying animals that aren’t suited for the climate you live in.
 
It’s not going crazy over pets. It’s looking out for their well-being.

You have to account for predators such as mountain lions, grizzly bears, coyotes, wolves and for smaller pets like cats or the toy dog breeds, hawks, eagles and owls.

Your pets aren’t always safe outside.

My cat was an indoor/outdoor cat. She was killed by a raccoon. She was only a kitten.
 
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Sarcelle said:
Your pets aren’t always safe outside.

My cat was an indoor/outdoor cat. She was killed by a raccoon. She was only a kitten.
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It also isn’t safe outside for cats around halloween. People take cats that they can find around Halloween time and do things to them. When I was in school, there were boys at my bus stop that would talk about that they planned to do.
 
My dogs sleep indoors but spend most of their day lounging on my porch. I have a barn cat, but I wouldn’t really consider it a pet. I set some food and water out for it but only so it hangs around to keep mice and other rodents at bay. Wish it wasn’t so hard on song birds.

Some people do go crazy over their animals. My sister in law is 46 years old, has no children, and dotes on her dog like it’s a human child. It’s quite pathetic.
 
RhodesianSon said:
Some people do go crazy over their animals. My sister in law is 46 years old, has no children, and dotes on her dog like it’s a human child. It’s quite pathetic.
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Oh well.

Some people do treat pets in an over the top way but on the list of things to be annoyed or angry at, personally, they’re nowhere near the top of my list.

People who are cruel to anyone, be they human or animal is what really angers me.
 
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