Anababtist married to Catholic and need some insight

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Dear Schlemele,

My wife was born and raised Mennonite. I came from several protestant backgrounds myself. We were married in a Mennonite Church in a Mennonite ceremony. We “compromised” and took the children to the Methodist Church. After nine years of malaize we both sought Truth above all and converted to the Catholic Church in 1993.

We have ten going on eleven children and all have been baptized early on. Four in the Methodist church and the rest Catholic. Plainly speaking, Menno Simants was just another dissident priest, who may have some appealing ideas. But he needs the same treatment as any other protestant heretic. My advice is to walk…no, RUN away from the failed experiment called protestantism and return “home”. It was the best thing we ever did. Certitude is very understated!

But to remain a divided household is exactly what Satan wants and, if not remedied with unity in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the marriage will meet it’s demise or, when the kids get older, they will likely split away from you, or, quite going to church altogether. What kind of message are you sending then?

The choice is obvious…put out into the deep and have faith and God will bless you. It will be rough at first (lost friendships, shunning from fellow Mennonites, etc.). But, who are you going to answer to in the end?

AMDG
Boanerges
 
Boanerges,

I will be PMing you with the details but I’m not going to be Catholic. I’ll let you know why but suffice to say I’ve been open to the possibility and it is most definatley not somthing I can go with. Again I’ll PM with the details, but for clarification the Mennonite Bretheren church does not shun.
But to remain a divided household is exactly what Satan wants and, if not remedied with unity in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the marriage will meet it’s demise or, when the kids get older, they will likely split away from you, or, quite going to church altogether. What kind of message are you sending then?
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This is a very mean remark, and from what I can see is equating our marriage to an “uneven yoke”.
But, who are you going to answer to in the end?
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The same person who you have to, what is your point? I am a believer and an fully aware of my flaws. I fall more times that I care to admit but I am in good company (David was a screw up just like me but God sees the heart).

Again more in the PM as I don’t want to de-rail the thread. I posted here because I wanted to see if there was a way to keep both faith traditions alive, not to debate the validity of my faith.
 
Say, did you see the thread about Retrovaille weekends? It sounds like a great way to clarify issues and improve communication between partners. Just a thought.

But then again, my answer to everything is prayer and contemplation. I will pray for you and your wife.
 
Dear Shlemele,

I haven’t seen the PM so I’ll address your “concerns” first. I’m giving you my experiences with the Bethesda Mennonite Church. As of 1985, they still shunned. Maybe they changed their theology again.

My apologies for sounding “mean”. But, hence the handle I’ve chosen, truth sometimes is a bitter pill to swallow and is torches people. This is not a personal attack so you should not interpret it as one. I’m only letting you know what’s coming down the road.

For a Catholic to leave the Church is mortal sin, which is unto death. For a Mennonite to leave their church does not hold the seriousness as a Catholic. The problem is you’re trying to equate the two. Reality being what it is, they are not equal. Again, Menno Simants was a heretic that left the Church. In doing so, he committed mortal sin. He is no different than Martin Luther or any other heretic who exhalted his own theology above the Church. All he accomplished was lead others away from the true Church. (remember Jesus’ homily on the millstone?) If the Mennonite church was the “true church” then why, in my wifes small town of 1000 people, are there four seperate Mennonite churches, each with there own brand of Mennonite theology? Who’s right? Where’s the unity promised by Christ? Who has the guarantee to the keys of heaven?

You won’t find any easy answers to your situation. As I said earlier you will need to convert for the ultimate good of your family. If you divorce over this, what irreparable damage do you do to those you’ve been entrusted to safeguard? I 've seen this time and time again where mixed marriages result in at least a spiritual malaize and at the most, destruction. Mere co-existance is still a divided household and Satan is laughing. Don’t give him the satisfaction.

As far as the “uneven yoke”, spiritually speaking, that’s exactly what you have here. Seems your wife is having a typical mixed marriage re-conversion. This is the Holy Spirit at work and, since we have only one Holy Spirit, it’s best you get out of the way and let him do His work. Or, just like what Gamaliel said: you might find yourself fighting against God Himself!

There is no easy answer to mixed marriages. You’re divided and you will fall if you fail to recognize the work of the Lord. The stakes are big and souls hang in the balance.

AMDG

Bo
 
Hi…this is my first time on the forum so pardon me for starting in this thread this far along.

Shlemele, from what I read it appears that there have been a few miss-understandings in this thread. Allow me to clarify some things for you.
  1. The Catholic Church does not have a dedication service that is the temporary replacement for baptism. Please do not think that your wife does not feel for your concerns by not doing any research on it. It may be that she knows already that there is no such thing.
  2. Baptism is different in Catholic teachings than in Protestant teachings. From what I have studied of Protestant beliefs, it appears that Baptism is a dedication to God. In Catholic belief, however, it holds more significance. By being baptized, you are initiated into the universal church, becoming a child of God. “Unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven”. In the Bible, when Peter goes to the Roman’s house in the Acts of the Apostles, it is told to us that the Roman and his entire household were baptized. Not just those who had reached the age of reason. And finally, Christ says “Let the little children come to Me”. Do you see how important baptism is in the Catholic Church now?
  3. Sadly, it appears that you have not met many good Catholics. But it is not that they were baptized too soon–it is that they were not raised correctly in the Faith afterward. I have seen this happen to good friends and cousins of mine. Being baptized will not influence this at all. And are there more lax Catholics than lax Protestants? There are many very holy Catholics, and I believe there are more of them than lax Catholics. The same I believe is true with Protestants. The root of the problem is not infant baptism, it is the teachings afterwards. And that can happen in Protestant circles as well.
I do not think that the other posters meant to come across as arrogant in their faith, even if it did appear that way.

To the other posters here: we cannot convert by pushing our beiefs at someone. Truth in love should be our standard. And we are not the judges of his intentions or his marriage. Leave that to God.
 
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Boanerges:
Dear Shlemele,

I haven’t seen the PM so I’ll address your “concerns” first. I’m giving you my experiences with the Bethesda Mennonite Church. As of 1985, they still shunned. Maybe they changed their theology again.

They are “old school” Mennonites, my church is Mennonite Brethren, Many of the same teachings but a less punitive flavor. Before you judge different churches interpretations too harshly be aware that we still teach the same message, just with a different flavor (Catholic example; just because Latin churches celebrate quincineras (sp?) doesn’t mean that they are out of communion with Catholic churches who don’t). More on this later…

My apologies for sounding “mean”. But, hence the handle I’ve chosen, truth sometimes is a bitter pill to swallow and is torches people. This is not a personal attack so you should not interpret it as one. I’m only letting you know what’s coming down the road.

For a Catholic to leave the Church is mortal sin, which is unto death. For a Mennonite to leave their church does not hold the seriousness as a Catholic. The problem is you’re trying to equate the two. Reality being what it is, they are not equal. Again, Menno Simmons ** was a heretic that left the Church. In doing so, he committed mortal sin. He is no different than Martin Luther or any other heretic who exhalted his own theology above the Church. All he accomplished was lead others away from the true Church. (remember Jesus’ homily on the millstone?) If the Mennonite church was the “true church” then why, in my wifes small town of 1000 people, are there four seperate** Mennonite churches, each with there own brand of Mennonite theology? Who’s right? Where’s the unity promised by Christ? Who has the guarantee to the keys of heaven?

*Ok there are a few things I have to address here and I’ll do them in as organized a manner as possible. First and foremost we aren’t going to see eye to eye on whether the Catholic church is or is not the true church. Where you see Catholic I see catholic. The concept that one leaving the Catholic church damns himself derives from tradition and not scripture so obviously to me this is not going to be a terribly huge issue. Jesus said “no man comes to the father but through me” and Menno never fell away from Christ, just the Catholic church.

Yes I do know about the millstone. Some early Anabaptists were executed in this manner…
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Maybe none, maybe all. The point is that each church doesn’t call the other damned because they don’t do everything the same way. The reason I can go to a Baptist church, a First Mennonite, Mennonite Brethren, and then a plain ole’ Mennonite church and be ok is that we are open to the idea that we might not have it all right, and most importantly we are ok with that. If you look at scripture God loved David, and not because he was pious but because he sought God with all of his being and mourned that which separated him from God. If you ask who I would rather be, David or one of the Pharisees I’d chose David every time. Though the phrases adhered to every law David in all his imperfections was the one that God chose.

To be honest I wouldn’t want to be in a church that claimed to be perfect, because there are people in that church and people aren’t perfect.

You won’t find any easy answers to your situation. As I said earlier you will need to convert for the ultimate good of your family. If you divorce over this, what irreparable damage do you do to those you’ve been entrusted to safeguard? I 've seen this time and time again where mixed marriages result in at least a spiritual malaize and at the most, destruction. Mere co-existance is still a divided household and Satan is laughing. Don’t give him the satisfaction.

Ok so I need to be a bad Catholic rather than a good M.B. Interesting, every pastor and priest has told me the opposite…
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BoanergesAs far as the “uneven yoke” said:
If by uneven yoke you mean that one of us doesn’t have salvation then you are just mirroring why I can never be Catholic (even though this is in contradiction to your catechism). And to be honest if my wife is going through a re-conversion she sure isn’t showing it. What she does seem to be going through is guilt laid on her by her parents. What precipitated this whole fiasco was a comment that she would baptize our children to keep her parents off her back and her mother calling in tears begging her to remain Catholic (even though she had never thought about conversion).

For me Baptism was a time when I wrestled with what being a Christian means and I want my children to ask those same questions. My wife wants the kids to be baptized because she doesn’t want her parents bugging her… step into my shoes for a moment and ask yourself if I should be ok with this.
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There is no easy answer to mixed marriages. You’re divided and you will fall if you fail to recognize the work of the Lord. The stakes are big and souls hang in the balance.

Again if souls lay in the balance whose? I can never be Catholic. Some here have told me I need to go and ask for a sign. I actually did one time. I asked for God to give me clarity when I attended Mass with my wife one Sunday after we had been dating for about 2 years. During that mass I experienced my first onset of pain from a condition I still suffer from today.

AMDG

Bo

I apologize if I came across harsh anywhere here but there is nothing I haven’t heard a hundred times over on these boards. Believe me I have had to grow some thick skin around here but on this subject I’m still sensitive for obvious reasons. As I said before I’m sure everyone would agree a good Mennonite beats a bad Catholic any day of the week.
 
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Shlemele:
I apologize if I came across harsh anywhere here but there is nothing I haven’t heard a hundred times over on these boards. Believe me I have had to grow some thick skin around here but on this subject I’m still sensitive for obvious reasons.
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If you have heard it “a hundred times” and you still disagree with Catholics on these boards, why do you keep posting? If you aren’t willing to listen to Catholic responses on a Catholic forums, surely you don’t think you are going to convince Catholics that you or the Mennonite faith is right. I am perplexed.:confused:
 
For what its worth, here’s my perspective. I am a revert, having fallen away from the Catholic Church for several years. My wife is a convert, having recently made her Profession of Faith. My reversion was a difficult process. As a married couple we struggled with the Church’s teachings, especially regarding contraception. Your wife, if she is truly undergoing a reversion, is likely having a very difficult time. She feels torn between her God and her husband. She is probably very worried about the future of your marriage and the spiritual welfare of your future children.

The highest law of the Church is the salvation of souls. Consequently, my own salvation and that of my children was more important than my marriage. I had to do what was right regardless of the consequences. Following Christ is not an easy path. I did pray for five years for the conversion of my wife. I prayed in spite of my own doubts regarding the possibility of my wife’s conversion. Now, five years later my wife has converted. God has been very good to me.

I’m not suggesting that you should convert. I’m not disparaging your faith at all. In this day and age the fact that any young man has a faith at all is something. I’m simply suggesting that you take some time to consider what your wife must be going through. I’m suggesting this because I went through it.

Its not easy at all to revert, especially if you are married. How do you suddenly tell your spouse of so many years, “Honey, I can no longer use contraception.”? At first my wife passed my reversion off as a fad. She expected me to give it up after a few months. But when months turned into years, and my faith only deepened, she felt threatened. She and I actually had an argument during which she confessed that she was worried I would leave her to become a priest. I had to assure her that my vocation was to be a husband and a father. Finally, she accepted my reversion as she came to realize that my Faith made me a better husband and a better father.

I don’t have the answer to your dilemma. I do plead with you not to leave your wife facing this crisis alone on an island of dread. Try not to blame her. Try, rather to understand the work of the Holy Ghost within her.

Patrick Laws
A.M.D.G.
 
La Chiara:
If you have heard it “a hundred times” and you still disagree with Catholics on these boards, why do you keep posting? If you aren’t willing to listen to Catholic responses on a Catholic forums, surely you don’t think you are going to convince Catholics that you or the Mennonite faith is right. I am perplexed.:confused:
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I’m here mainly because I want to understand my wifes faith better. You see every time I ask her why she does something she has no idea. For me doing something just because it has been done a certian way for a long period of time is not enough. I have to know the whys whenever possible (and I realize that is not always going to happen). I havn’t tried to convert anyone and I havn’t tried to pass my church off as the only way to salvation. I have expressed my opinions and stated them as such. I also believe that there needs to be communication between the churches, after all we should all be on the same side at the end of the day.
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Patrick2340:
Try, rather to understand the work of the Holy Ghost within her.
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If I was sure it was the Holy Ghost that would be one thing, the MIL is quite another… I appreciate you relating your experience and in all honesty I do hope that my wife changed her mind on the basis of her faith and not her mother. 😦 I wish you and your family the best.
 
Dear Shlemele,

This bantering is not going to convince you one iota and what you’re looking for you won’t find here. You require spiritual direction from someone in the Church who is knowledgeable and you trust. Go find that person and listen intently. In parting I offer the following quote:

“To the one who doesn’t believe, no explanation is sufficient. To the one who does, no explanation is necessary”.

God’s peace to you and your family
 
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genealogist:
One thing I would advise is that trying to expose children to both faiths sounds good in theory but becomes very hard in practice. You and your wife need to be active enough to have a presence that the child would naturally have a network of friends to sit near at Sunday School/CCD etc. If they are at one church far more than the other why bother with the second one?

If you were to try doing both make sure you live near both churches, why lose extra time driving? Also be up front with what you are attempting so there are no surprises for you or the education leaders at either congregation.

In my experience I loved the idea of an interchurch family where we could go to Mass each week, CCD and still have a weekly presence in my wife’s church either through Sunday School or Bible study.

My son put an end to that. It became a nightmare for him and now we almost never go to the Presbyterian church. My wife never was a big attender before I tried to get her more involved so we go to Mass and she stays home with our preschooler and toddler. They will start weekly Mass at kindergarten/first grade.

There are so many issues for each mixed marriage and I would strongly recommend against them. However you are married and in our view sacramentally. You need to find a way that works for you. You need to be respectful of each other and your religious leaders/congregations but keep talking and praying. There is an answer but it is going to be harder than for same faith couples.
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Also be aware that if your children are learning Catholic teachings, they will have a difficult time going to a protestant sunday school or other program, because, obviously, the various Protestant teachings sprung out of various objections regarding Catholic doctrine. They *will *get alot of mixed messages. Depending on the church you go to the teachers / students/ minister could even go so far as to be hostile toward Catholic Doctrine. I went to a Bible Camp with a friend when I was in Elementary school when I was about 8 years old. It was at a Wesleyan church. The teacher asked me where I went to church when she found out I was Catholic she started bashing the church, the Pope and asking me why we worship Mary. I was so young I didn’t know how to answer, but I did know, beyond any doubt, that we didn’t worship Mary. When I tried to explain, she didn’t want to hear it and basically called me a liar. It was horrible and started me on my path of learning all I could about the Church.

I urge you, for the peace of your family, for Jesus Christ in your family, please learn more about the Cathoic Church, and the Sacraments.

I recommend the Book “Sacraments in Scripture” by Tim Grey. It is relatively short yet explains the Sacraments of the Catholic Church and shows where Jesus instituted them in Scripture. I promise that you will not be sorry that you read this book, it will at least help you to understand your wife’s religion better. If someone told me I had to give up my Catholic Faith, I would rather die. If someone told me I couldn’t have my children Baptized I would rather not have children.

A house divided cannot stand.

I think it would be a good idea for to read the Catechism regarding Baptism, and the book I recommended. There are several threads on Baptism. If you have any questions in particular, you can either “Ask an Apologist” on that forum, or send me an IM. I will be happy to answer any questions you have with Christian love and Charity.

God bless you and your family.
 
Sorry to necro post here but I felt that is was only right to update where this situation has gone in the last few months. Currently I have a new job (one I enjoy and don’t have to commute two hours a day to) and my wife and I are separated. We are in counseling with a Catholic psychologist, a God-send in every sense but I will get back to that. For the time being My wife and I needed to get out of our situation in order to think more clearly on it so she is living with her parents and I am in our apartment. Not a good situation but it allows us to look forward to seeing each other again. We meet several times a week to talk (keeping civil for the most part) and to try to work on our relationship. We have had some great talks and some horrific but that comes with the territory I guess.

What has been very discouraging to me is that my wife has become very withdrawn in therapy. I do honestly want our marriage to work but I see old patterns re-emerging in my wife and I really don’t like it. Last time my wife and I were in therapy (before we were married) my wife stopped when she didn’t like what she was hearing. Now our psychologist has taken my side on several issues not pertaining to faith and I fear my wife will quit again after only three sessions. Obviously if this happens divorce is a strong possibility (interestingly enough she mentioned it before I did).

One good thing that has come out of all this is honesty. We both have realized that we had expectations of the other that were not reasonable. By now we both know that the other is not going to change and compromise is tricky with Catholic theology ( this is were having a Catholic therapist is great because my wife feels much more comfortable ). Another thing I am finding is that I am learning things from my friends that I was unaware of before. I was the best man for my best friends wedding, my wife left before I even gave the toast, she has avoided other of my friends, and other things that just don’t put me at ease. In one sense it is confirmation that some things I have wondered about but never gotten the nerve to ask her (and go through the ensuing fight). Though the main issue is and always has been to do with the rearing of the children other issues have surfaced and I think they have caught both of us off-guard.

I will keep you all updated but for now all I can say is that I feel like I have been through a rock tumbler and I’m just starting to get my bearings again…
 
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Shlemele:
Sorry to necro post here but I felt that is was only right to update where this situation has gone in the last few months. Currently I have a new job (one I enjoy and don’t have to commute two hours a day to) and my wife and I are separated. We are in counseling with a Catholic psychologist, a God-send in every sense but I will get back to that. For the time being My wife and I needed to get out of our situation in order to think more clearly on it so she is living with her parents and I am in our apartment. Not a good situation but it allows us to look forward to seeing each other again. We meet several times a week to talk (keeping civil for the most part) and to try to work on our relationship. We have had some great talks and some horrific but that comes with the territory I guess.

What has been very discouraging to me is that my wife has become very withdrawn in therapy. I do honestly want our marriage to work but I see old patterns re-emerging in my wife and I really don’t like it. Last time my wife and I were in therapy (before we were married) my wife stopped when she didn’t like what she was hearing. Now our psychologist has taken my side on several issues not pertaining to faith and I fear my wife will quit again after only three sessions. Obviously if this happens divorce is a strong possibility (interestingly enough she mentioned it before I did).

One good thing that has come out of all this is honesty. We both have realized that we had expectations of the other that were not reasonable. By now we both know that the other is not going to change and compromise is tricky with Catholic theology ( this is were having a Catholic therapist is great because my wife feels much more comfortable ). Another thing I am finding is that I am learning things from my friends that I was unaware of before. I was the best man for my best friends wedding, my wife left before I even gave the toast, she has avoided other of my friends, and other things that just don’t put me at ease. In one sense it is confirmation that some things I have wondered about but never gotten the nerve to ask her (and go through the ensuing fight). Though the main issue is and always has been to do with the rearing of the children other issues have surfaced and I think they have caught both of us off-guard.

I will keep you all updated but for now all I can say is that I feel like I have been through a rock tumbler and I’m just starting to get my bearings again…
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I am so sorry to hear this…I will say a prayer for you and your family! Peace be with you…Pam
 
We were married in the Catholic church and support each others beliefs.
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It sounds as if this situation has devolved into a separation since your posting the original question. But, just in case you do reunite, I will offer up what I know about your original question. In order to marry a non-Catholic in the Catholic Church, your wife must have obtained a dispensation. That dispensation would ONLY have been granted if your wife promised the priest (used to be required in writing, now oral is okay) that all children would be raised in the Catholic Church [see Canon Law 1124-1125; Catechism 1633-1637]. She is trying to live up to her promise made through the Church to God.

Can. 1125:1: “the catholic party is to declare that he or she is prepared to remove dangers of defecting from the faith, and is to make a sincere promise to do all in his or her power in order that all the children be baptised and brought up in the catholic Church;”

As you contemplate civil divorce, you and your wife might benefit from refreshing your understanding of Catholic marriage in the eyes of God (which is very different from a Protestant understanding of marriage). If your marriage was valid at the time of the wedding, it will always be valid and no civil divorce will cause that marriage to cease to exist [Canon 1134, 1141; Catechism 1601].

Catechism 1640: “Thus the marriage bond has been established by God himself in such a way that a marriage concluded and consummated between baptized persons can never be dissolved. This bond, which results from the free human act of the spouses and their consummation of the marriage, is a reality, henceforth irrevocable, and gives rise to a covenant guaranteed by God’s fidelity. The Church does not have the power to contravene this disposition of divine wisdom.”

If your marriage is valid and you civilly divorce, your wife will never be able to marry in the Catholic Church again and, therefore, any civil marriage she enters into will be nothing more than fornication in the eyes of God, at which point she would be barred from receiving the Eucharist. If your marriage was not valid at the time of the wedding, it was never valid and a marriage tribunal will declare it null. A declaration of nullity is not a Catholic divorce: it means your marriage never existed in the eyes of God in the first place [Catechism 1629]. Understanding the sanctity of your marriage might help both of you find the graces to save this marriage from civil divorce.

Please know that none of the above is my personal opinion, but is the unchanging teaching of the Catholic Church; any errors in presentation are mine. This must be a time of great pain for you both and I will pray for you.
 
God bless you for going to a Catholic therapist to make your wife feel better. I hope he/ she can help you both work things out. —KCT
 
Schlemele, I am very sorry to hear about your separation and continuing marital problems. I read this thread from top to bottom. It saddens me to see that in almost a year (since you originally posted) that your marital issues have not improved. I sense a lot of anger in your posts and intransigence on your part. (I don’t know your wife’s side, just what you post.)

Are you willing to change for the sake of the marriage or are you expecting your wife to change? Until you are both committed to the marriage and willing to change, then it is unlikely that things will get better, at least it seems to me. When the spouses see their differences as a zero-sum game, then they become impossibly polarized. Please don’t let your marriage fall apart.
 
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If you have read the post then there are some things I think you missed, according to Catholic law lies can be grounds for an annulment, so if your question is if we are married by Catholic standards I would guess that it depends on how we recover from that lie.

Again this was posted earlier but it’s easy to miss… from what my wife told me (I don’t even know if this is true now) her mother called the head of the diocese and asked if it was still a requirement for children to be baptized, his response was that is wasn’t something we needed to feel obligated to, that it was a leftover practice and not really enforced, now why should I doubt that? If you asked a Mennonite pastor something and he referred you to the church counsel (our church government) why would you doubt that their decision on a matter? I guess my point is that at the time every priest had told me that I was in no way required to become Catholic and I really didn’t have any intention to (then or now) so we went ahead with the marriage. Since the marriage would never have taken place had I known my wife’s intentions I think should she pursue an annulment later she would have a good case and I would do nothing to interfere with it.

ReginaNova,
I have no doubt there is anger in some of my posts, How would you feel if you had to choose between passing your faith to your children and your wife? I realize I have dwelt on the issue of baptism but we have worked out some issues, Heck I was the one who had to convince her to go back into counseling. In the end it’s probably for the best that we are going through this now before there are children to worry about.
 
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Shlemele:
ReginaNova,
I have no doubt there is anger in some of my posts, How would you feel if you had to choose between passing your faith to your children and your wife? I realize I have dwelt on the issue of baptism but we have worked out some issues, Heck I was the one who had to convince her to go back into counseling. In the end it’s probably for the best that we are going through this now before there are children to worry about.
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Shlemele–I would be very hurt if I were your wife. You seem to be very rigid about a lot of things. Such rigidity is contrary to the spirit of Christian marriage and is an obstacle to resolution of your marital differences. I don’t think you see how rigid and hard-hearted you are being. I don’t hear much love or forgiveness in your posts about your wife. Surely you loved her when you married. A marriage needs to nurtured by both spouses. Find a way to work out your differences. Divorce is so hurtful.
 
Dear Shlemele,
Might I suggest reading some of the earily church fathers, to help you grow in your own faith. People in recent ages have taken it upon themselves to warp both teachings and understandings. I have read many of them and I have only grown from the experience. I will tell you this with absolute certitude though, and that is that the earily church did baptise infants. An example of this can be found in the Bible as well. I cant quote the exact passage, but it is where Paul writes about a man whos entire family he baptised. Jesus Himself, admonished His disciples to not keep the children away.
Ill pray for you my friend, :blessyou:
 
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