Anglican Ordinariate upholds sanctity of Communion re: divorced and remarried

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don’t they have to since they are part of the Catholic church now?
 
There are many voices with differing and sometimes “flexible” interpretation.
 
Doesn’t matter if this particular Bishop upholds traditional teaching. AL allows any interpretation at the whims of the local bishops. Don’t know why we have to listen to them if morality is a flexible thing that can be changed depending on a bishop’s personal preferences, feelings and opinions; I’ll just follow my own conscience.
 
Good for him. In the Ordinariates, we are only too aware of the dangers of moral relativism, as we have already see this in the Anglican Church and the amount of division it has caused.
 
JPUSC said:
AL allows any interpretation at the whims of the local bishops.
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Very derogatory towards our shepherds. I would rather think they approach the issue thoughtfully, according to local realities, and according their own consciences.
JPUSC said:
I’ll just follow my own conscience.
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Which you are completely free to do, if you yourself are in an irregular marriage, or have the pastoral care of those in an irregular marriage. If neither apply, then the wise thing is to trust, obey, support and pray for our shepherds, including the Holy Father.

Murmuring about it on an Internet forum not only won’t change the situation, it will only feed a lot of personal angst that does no good for one’s soul. At my age I have learned to pick my battles, and the only battle I care to fight is that for my own salvation. I did that by reverting to the faith and regularizing my own marriage some years ago, and since then I continue to struggle with my own inner conversion. That battle leaves me with little energy to fight others’ conversion struggles. I trust our pastors to help others manage their own conversions, something I am quite convinced, from the bishops I’ve met, is not something they do on a “whim”.

Paraphrasing St. Benedict, for some, gentle persuasion, for others a stick. AL gives pastors the tools to utilise an approach tailored to each individual, with the same goal: conversion to the Gospel.
 
peter26 said:
Good for him. In the Ordinariates, we are only too aware of the dangers of moral relativism, as we have already see this in the Anglican Church and the amount of division it has caused.
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Agreed.
 
7_Sorrows said:
don’t they have to since they are part of the Catholic church now?
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You missed the point. This has nothing to do with Anglican practices but rather the current controversy in the Catholic Church. Many bishops - the Argentines and Maltese immediately come to mind - have changed this practice under certain circumstances with the blessing of the current Holy Father. Other bishops are saying there will be no change in their dioceses.
 
twf said:
You missed the point. This has nothing to do with Anglican practices but rather the current controversy in the Catholic Church. Many bishops - the Argentines and Maltese immediately come to mind - have changed this practice under certain circumstances with the blessing of the current Holy Father. Other bishops are saying there will be no change in their dioceses.
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I am aware of the current controversy, but after striving so hard to join the Catholic
Church, I don’t think they are in a hurry to go against Church teachings.
 
OraLabora said:
Very derogatory towards our shepherds. I would rather think they approach the issue thoughtfully, according to local realities, and according their own consciences.

Which you are completely free to do, if you yourself are in an irregular marriage, or have the pastoral care of those in an irregular marriage. If neither apply, then the wise thing is to trust, obey, support and pray for our shepherds, including the Holy Father.

Murmuring about it on an Internet forum not only won’t change the situation, it will only feed a lot of personal angst that does no good for one’s soul. At my age I have learned to pick my battles, and the only battle I care to fight is that for my own salvation. I did that by reverting to the faith and regularizing my own marriage some years ago, and since then I continue to struggle with my own inner conversion. That battle leaves me with little energy to fight others’ conversion struggles. I trust our pastors to help others manage their own conversions, something I am quite convinced, from the bishops I’ve met, is not something they do on a “whim”.

Paraphrasing St. Benedict, for some, gentle persuasion, for others a stick. AL gives pastors the tools to utilise an approach tailored to each individual, with the same goal: conversion to the Gospel.
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👍

A non-Catholic lecturing the Church on Her pastoral practice is rather like me trying to teach a cardiologist how to operate; I might have some funny things to say, but that’s it. 😃
 
This entire social malaise and the current debate was made possible solely by the secular government asserting power over a Sacrament of the Church. Once the government assumes or seizes the ability to declare a ‘lawful’ union, it can also declare the breakup of that union under the same secular law. Unlike the Church, the government could not care less about the role of natural law, or of the permanence of marriage. Combine that with the poor catechesis of 2-3 generations and we have a huge problem.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am aware of the current controversy, but after striving so hard to join the Catholic
Church, I don’t think they are in a hurry to go against Church teachings.
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Confusion and lack of clarity is a tool by evil to get a toehold to unofficially “allow” behavior which goes against teaching to get a foothold and move forward. Once in regular practice it is then formalized. It is why a lack of clarification from the Vatican on Amoris Laetitia is of concern to many who have fought this battle before.

Thanks for posting.
 
ChurchSoldier said:
Confusion and lack of clarity is a tool by evil to get a toehold to unofficially “allow” behavior which goes against teaching to get a foothold and move forward. Once in regular practice it is then formalized. It is why a lack of clarification from the Vatican on Amoris Laetitia is of concern to many who have fought this battle before.

Thanks for posting.
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I agree.
 
ChurchSoldier said:
Confusion and lack of clarity is a tool by evil to get a toehold to unofficially “allow” behavior which goes against teaching to get a foothold and move forward. Once in regular practice it is then formalized. It is why a lack of clarification from the Vatican on Amoris Laetitia is of concern to many who have fought this battle before.

Thanks for posting.
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👍
 
ChurchSoldier said:
Confusion and lack of clarity is a tool by evil to get a toehold to unofficially “allow” behavior which goes against teaching to get a foothold and move forward. Once in regular practice it is then formalized. It is why a lack of clarification from the Vatican on Amoris Laetitia is of concern to many who have fought this battle before.

Thanks for posting.
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Yes, “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace” (1 Corinth. 14:33).
 
ChurchSoldier said:
Short version: A Catholic may only receive the Eucharist if divorced and remarried with an annulment or living as brother and sister within the marriage may receive the Eucharist.

Media article.

Ordinariate release titled “A pledged troth”
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God bless Bishop Steven Lopes. I couldn’t open the second link. The National Catholic Register has his pastoral letter here:

ncregister.com/daily-news/ordinariate-bishop-issues-pastoral-letter-on-amoris-laetitia
 
Kudos Bishop Lopes - Thank you.

This is one bishop with his mitre on straight. Many former Anglicans (and other former Protestants) crossed the Tiber because the Catholic Church has upheld traditional marriage. It was really sad in Canada last year when a branch of the Episcopalian Church in Canada said they would perform same sex pseudo marriages. There are also many converts that in order to participate fully in “union and communion” went through the annulment process.

That said, my opinion is that allowing communion for the divorced and remarried without going through the annulment process is a “stab in the back” to those converts (and to Catholics) who took the time to go through the annulment process. My friends (and an old girlfriend) who went through the annulment process have said that the annulment process helped them with the healing process from a previous relationship. Personally, several years ago, I was a witness in a case and I learned more about the annulment process through that experience.

Quite a few RCIA programs will not confirm a candidate who is in an “irregular” situation, and I hope that continues, even if the candidate can get an annulment on the basis of “lack of form” or because they were married civilly. The “lack of form” annulments tend to go through tribunals a little faster, because there is more evidence that the marriage was non-sacramental.

Here’s part of the problem that hardly anyone in Catholic circles (even priests and permanent deacons) bring up: There are too many people dating who are in need of healing and counseling beforehand. Our secular society tells us that after a breakup, there’s more fish in the sea. As a result, there’s alot of broken people out there - all ages too. Men and women who have been divorced need to take a break from dating in order to give them some time to heal. The annulment process can help with healing (unfortunately, too many divorced Catholics don’t think about the annulment process until they are dating someone seriously), and if a divorced Catholic wishes to marry again, he or she really should not be dating (seriously) until if and when a decree of nullity is granted.

I have only heard two or three priests talk about this - and it’s sad that sometimes couples in our Churches receive sub-standard marriage preparation. At my brother’s wedding three years ago, I was elated when the priest said at the conclusion of the wedding “the wedding has ended, but the marriage is just beginning.”
 
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