Anglicanism vs. Catholicism

[po18guy]

I’m a Yorkshireman. We are the English version of ‘New Yorkers’. We don’t just ‘call a spade a spade’,we hit you on the head with the spade several times as well to ensure that your REALLY understand what a spade is.

Yorkshire gave many martyrs in the cause of Catholicism (unsuprisingly as we don’t find compromise easy). Don’t anyone tell me that they died in vain and could have just joined the ‘new church’ without all that messy disembowelling.

OTA! (Off topic alert): Reminds me of the Yorkshite Bobby who halted a motorist for driving past a stop sign. The motorist protested, “But, I slowed safely and then proceeded. I don’t see the difference between slowing and stopping!” The Bobby pulled the motorist from his car and began striking him with his club. He asked the motorist, “Now, would you like me to slow down, or to stop?”

 

[StevieD]

OTA! (Off topic alert): Reminds me of the Yorkshite Bobby who …"

I take it that the mis-spelling of Yorkshire was unintentional?

OTA? I don’t want anyone to forget that in all this ‘your church’ works for you baloney that people died to stand up for the differences between The Church and its pretended replacement and that the differences have not at some point ceased to matter - they matter just as much now as then. Just as in the times of the English Martyrs, those who acknowledge the supremacy of Peter and who choose not to act upon it are putting themselves, and possibly others, in actual spiritual danger. There is no ‘middle way’.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Actually I’d say he’s Catholic, just not Roman.

Lest we forget, it was the Anglicans who hung “Roman” on the Catholic Church as a perjorative term.

The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church has many rites: “Roman” is one of them.

Peace, Jim Dandy

 

[po18guy]

I take it that the mis-spelling of Yorkshire was unintentional?

OTA? I don’t want anyone to forget that in all this ‘your church’ works for you baloney that people died to stand up for the differences between The Church and its pretended replacement and that the differences have not at some point ceased to matter - they matter just as much now as then. Just as in the times of the English Martyrs, those who acknowledge the supremacy of Peter and who choose not to act upon it are putting themselves, and possibly others, in actual spiritual danger. There is no ‘middle way’.

Quite right. Oh, and as to my spelling ability…

OTA! (Off topic alert): Reminds me of the YorkshiRe Bobby who halted a motorist for driving past a stop sign. The motorist protested, “But, I slowed safely and then proceeded. I don’t see the difference between slowing and stopping!” The Bobby pulled the motorist from his car and began striking him with his club. He asked the motorist, “Now, would you like me to slow down, or to stop?”

Apologies…

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Former Anglican priest, now Catholic Deacon Oliver Veitor is one of many Anglicans who have found their way home to Rome. Deacon Vietor will be ordained a Catholic priest in the Diocese of Phoenix (Arizona) in September, with his wife and six children as witnesses. Praise God!

His website is saintpaulsanglicanuse.org/

Hi Everyone
I am the new kid on the block!
I am an Anglican Deacon who was part of the group which left the Episcopal Church. I belong to the Diocese of the San Joaquin located in the San Joaquin Valley of California.
Under the leadership of our Bishop we were the first Diocese to leave and we are one of the formative Dioceses of The Anglican Church of Naorth America

On the discusion about Anglicans being Catholics I believe that the ultimate goal of our two churches should be to become one church under the See of Rome.
One of the current problems with the Anglican Communion is that the Archbishop of Canterbury has no authority! He cannot put a stop to the liberal Episcopal Church sins. They have all but denonced Jesus Christ. The has been a cancer in the church slowly eating away at the foundations of Christianity
My worry is the people who are true to Christianity who are in the pews of the Epsicopal Church who have been silent do not know that they are losing their church.
God save us all!
Thomas+

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Go ask the Orthodox

Well, I could ask you what other Church offers the faintest glimmer of hope for worldwide Christian unity. A very short list, indeed.

 

[po18guy]

Go ask the Orthodox

It was a serious question. 300 million is a huge congregation, but it is not 1.2 billion, no matter how you count it. As close as the Orthodox are, they have no See of Rome, do they? Another serious question: Why didn’t the Anglicans unify with the Orthodox Church(es) then?

 

[GKC]

It was a serious question. 300 million is a huge congregation, but it is not 1.2 billion, no matter how you count it. As close as the Orthodox are, they have no See of Rome, do they? Another serious question: Why didn’t the Anglicans unify with the Orthodox Church(es) then?

Some considered it, particularly the Non-jurors.

GKC

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Funny you should ask that. At the ACNA innaugural event in 2008 or so Metropolitan Jonah of the Orthodox Church of America officially offered to the ACNA Anglicans an invitation to enter into full communion with the OCA. He actually is friends with our Anglican bishop here, Bishop John-David Schofield. Metropolitan Jonah stated that several things would need to happen for a full communion between the bodies:

The filioque must be dropped completely from the Creed and theology of the Church
No women priests or deacons let alone bishops, etc. (I concur!)
A total purging of any vestiges of Calvinism that exists in some of the more evangelical wings of the Anglican church

The jury’s still out. I personally believe it’ll never happen. But then again I think a reunion of East and West will never occur either. I’m a realist. Rome will glean people out of the Anglican Communion here and there as the AC breaks up into more chaos, no doubt. They will trickle in a few from here and there but the grand vision of a reunion and a huge growth of the Church oriented toward the pope is talk you’ll hear in here at CAF coming from Catholics but ask Orthodox Christians in here and elsewhere and there’s no desire.

The ecumenical efforts between Catholics and Lutherans and other bodies have yielded little fruit except some common language in some official documents.

I for one wish there were more unity but I’m too cynical about human nature, the theological divide between East and West and Protestants, etc.

It was a serious question. 300 million is a huge congregation, but it is not 1.2 billion, no matter how you count it. As close as the Orthodox are, they have no See of Rome, do they? Another serious question: Why didn’t the Anglicans unify with the Orthodox Church(es) then?

 

[GKC]

Funny you should ask that. At the ACNA innaugural event in 2008 or so Metropolitan Jonah of the Orthodox Church of America officially offered to the ACNA Anglicans an invitation to enter into full communion with the OCA. He actually is friends with our Anglican bishop here, Bishop John-David Schofield. Metropolitan Jonah stated that several things would need to happen for a full communion between the bodies:

The filioque must be dropped completely from the Creed and theology of the Church
No women priests or deacons let alone bishops, etc. (I concur!)
A total purging of any vestiges of Calvinism that exists in some of the more evangelical wings of the Anglican church

The jury’s still out. I personally believe it’ll never happen. But then again I think a reunion of East and West will never occur either. I’m a realist. Rome will glean people out of the Anglican Communion here and there as the AC breaks up into more chaos, no doubt. They will trickle in a few from here and there but the grand vision of a reunion and a huge growth of the Church oriented toward the pope is talk you’ll hear in here at CAF coming from Catholics but ask Orthodox Christians in here and elsewhere and there’s no desire.

The ecumenical efforts between Catholics and Lutherans and other bodies have yielded little fruit except some common language in some official documents.

I for one wish there were more unity but I’m too cynical about human nature, the theological divide between East and West and Protestants, etc.

I agree.

And some progress was made, in some things, under the ARCIC, between Rome and the Communion, before the Anglicans ran seriously off the rails.

GKC

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I think the majority could drop the filioque and not lose sleep. But the women priests falderal and anti-Calvinist stuff would really tick off the REC branch and other vangies. The Fort Worth Diocese would be about the best candidates. It’s groups like those yahoos at Christ Church Plano that would never go for it.

I agree.

And some progress was made, in some things, under the ARCIC, between Rome and the Communion, before the Anglicans ran seriously off the rails.

GKC

 

[Rocky]

Cynism is a prevalent modern sin. To quote Mother Teresa, we are called to be faithful - not (necessarily) successful. But since it is Christ’s will that there be unity in His Body, I have faith it will come about some day— just maybe in my children’s or grandchildren’s lifetime.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Well I’m quite honest that I’m a sinner. We are not called to be naive either. Anyone who thinks all the churches will reunite, I have some swamp land for sale…

Cynism is a prevalent modern sin. To quote Mother Teresa, we are called to be faithful - not (necessarily) successful. But since it is Christ’s will that there be unity in His Body, I have faith it will come about some day— just maybe in my children’s or grandchildren’s lifetime.

 

[GKC]

I think the majority could drop the filioque and not lose sleep. But the women priests falderal and anti-Calvinist stuff would really tick off the REC branch and other vangies. The Fort Worth Diocese would be about the best candidates. It’s groups like those yahoos at Christ Church Plano that would never go for it.

I agree. But remember, they’re Anglicans, all.

GKC

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

But you have to remember what Orthodox and Anglicans have in common, now, Jim! Both have coffee hour! And one side could learn to grow beards. The other side could learn to do C.S. Lewis book studies.

I agree. But remember, they’re Anglicans, all.

GKC

 

[GKC]

But you have to remember what Orthodox and Anglicans have in common, now, Jim! Both have coffee hour! And one side could learn to grow beards. The other side could learn to do C.S. Lewis book studies.

I’ve seen Orthodox studies of Lewis, who was favorably impressed by his (slight) contact with Orthodoxy.

And I have a beard, at least for a week or so longer.

GKC

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

So is your daughter getting promoted then, I presume? What rank again?

I’ve seen Orthodox studies of Lewis, who was favorably impressed by his (slight) contact with Orthodoxy.

And I have a beard, at least for a week or so longer.

GKC

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

And after all these years, am I ever going to get an email Jim pic to see this bearded enigma?

I’ve seen Orthodox studies of Lewis, who was favorably impressed by his (slight) contact with Orthodoxy.

And I have a beard, at least for a week or so longer.

GKC

 

[po18guy]

Metropolitan Jonah stated that several things would need to happen for a full communion between the bodies: The filioque must be dropped completely from the Creed and theology of the Church
No women priests or deacons let alone bishops, etc. (I concur!)
A total purging of any vestiges of Calvinism that exists in some of the more evangelical wings of the Anglican church

The second two, fine. It is the brick wall of that first demand. And, which Orthodox to unify with? Aren’t they each separate, with no central authority? There is no Orthodox ‘Rome’, to my knowledge.

They will trickle in a few from here and there but the grand vision of a reunion and a huge growth of the Church oriented toward the pope is talk you’ll hear in here at CAF coming from Catholics but ask Orthodox Christians in here and elsewhere and there’s no desire.

I once assumed an Orthodox on CAF to be a protestant, based on his attitude toward Rome. “Some” Orthodox have picked this attitude up somewhere (I’m bracing myself). Catholics are mostly mystified about the Orthodox and some Orthodox are miffed about the Catholics.

The ecumenical efforts between Catholics and Lutherans and other bodies have yielded little fruit except some common language in some official documents. I for one wish there were more unity but I’m too cynical about human nature, the theological divide between East and West and Protestants, etc.

Oh, there’s unity in the future alright, but it will occur only when the blood flows up to the horse’s bridle. Armageddon has this tendency to make strange bedfellows.

As well, there is an attitude that Catholics give up nothing, and demand that all others sacrifice for unity. Do they know what Catholics have sacrificed to become or remain Catholics? The list would require several posts.

 

[GKC]

So is your daughter getting promoted then, I presume? What rank again?

1 Sep. Major. I’ll be in uniform. And she’ll be wearing an old set of my rank.

GKC