Angry at God and disillusioned by modernity (more)

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So… you are not happy with today’s morals, but you are not happy with the Church’s moral restrictions?

To be honest, the 1950s were in some aspects better than today. Porn was not easily available, there was a certain similarity between what we were taught at home and what we learned elsewhere, and there was less to be pressured about: it was easier to keep up with the Joneses than it is to keep up with the Kardashians.

It was also a time when abuse of any sort was not addressed, when black people were still very discriminated against, and when all sorts of problems were swept under the rug. And people smoked everywhere.

I think the 1950s seem good looking back because on the surface there was a lot of stability, not much change. Now it just seems like upheaval after upheaval.

The thing is, tho, that God has placed us in this time for a reason. Today’s problems are the crosses which will help us to grow in holiness. And we are the best people to help with that.
 
Annie:
There’s also the issue I have with that. It seems that we have only two choices of absolute morality and obedience to God or none of it even. It’s not just shades of gray.

Do you know what that actually represent the equivalent of?
 
On the “lusting” thing, remember:
  • Appreciating beauty is not lust;
  • Involuntary physical reactions or rushes of emotion are not lust;
  • On the other hand, “intent to rape” is at the far end of the lusting spectrum, not the only thing that counts as lust.
Further, the Catholic Church does not buy into “there are no more natural goods since the fall” or “total depravity means there is nothing good in us” stances.
 
As Scripture says, there is nothing new under the sun.

We do not realize how things are cyclical or that there was real life before we were born.

I’ve suggested before the book “One Summer: American 1927” to see the terrorism, racism as well as innovation that you did not realize happened to other generations. One Summer: America, 1927 - Google Search
 
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I’ve been feeling a lot of anger towards God and the morality/belief doctrines of the Catholic church and other Christian churches. Being raised Catholic and being taken to mass weekly and shortly after I started high school, I started to “wake” to existence and modern-day society at large.

All the feelings of fear and anxiety started kicking in too. I still feel the same thing now than I did in school. At that time, I also got into being exposed to doomsday ideas, either threats that are sometimes legitimate like global thermonuclear war or outright ridiculous like the Mayan calender apocalypse. And even Christian groups talk about this stuff, and there’s even a whole other branch of theology dedicated to those ideas.

I also started to have a dim view of the world in general. I am a younger milennial, and have the more overall impression that the world was better and easier when my grandparents or my own parents were growing up and were younger adults. It makes me wish I lived in the past.

Like one part of me is willfully rebelling and committing what is widely considered sin, but another part of me feels a guilt deep down remotely. I retrospectively see subjects in the church and schools about things like “lust” at attractive women as a kind of misandry. Also, the “pre-emptive” tendancy in a lot of churches and denomination teachings, that says that anything (even intended to be good) that’s been “ruined” is inherently sin or God thinks his creation was bad because man messed it up. I can’t convince myself that anyone wanting to look or be “sexy” or “lusting” after women without intent of rape is bad or sinful. I just don’t want to understand why other “good Christians” don’t feel the same way.
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It is not unusual for younger folks {I’ll be 74 in a few weeks}, to question what they have been taught {almost force-fed}…

This young friend is an opportunity for YOU to actually learn the Catholic Faith, with a GOAL of either proving it, or objectively disproving it.

This site can be of great assistance in doing just that.

TAKE ONE ISSUE AT A TIME… investigate it until your sure you have uncovered its TRUTH.

“Truth” in order to BR True can be only singular per defined issue; don’t be swayed by the multiplicity of subjective personal opinions you’ll come across {it’s subjective if it cannot be evidenced}\ But keep in mind that GOD never intended that everything to be believed in “Faith” is scientifically verifiable:

[Heb.11: 1 ] Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Like God Himself, somethings are a true Mystery; and its for YOU to discover which they are. Throughout the process PRAY very much asking God to lead you to HIS Truths.

Be open minded; but at the same time be insisting on the evidence of all shared positions and beliefs.

The WORLD is a cesspool that YOU can help clean up: "You are either a part of the solution OR you ARE the problem. "

May God guide your life path,
Patrick

I’ll be available to answer any and all questions
 
You are angry at both God and the world around you. Boy, do you have a problem. Wouldn’t even know where to start. My only suggestion might be to remember the words of the late Archbishop Fulton J., Sheen, when he said, “You cannot be grateful and unhappy at the same time.”
I might offer that if you continue in your discontent, life is going to be generally miserable for a long time to come. Then again, you can always CHOOSE to change your outlook.
Good luck.
 
Lusting after someone else is still an offense against their dignity. It doesn’t matter if you don’t actually want to rape them. It reduces them to a mere object for one’s own selfish pleasure. I am married and I would not like any other man lusting after me. And it would be offensive to my husband if I was lusting after some other man.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

And that is straight from Jesus himself.
 
Usagi:
I can agree with all these points. I do wish I can be more strong when dealing with these things.
 
littleburgy:

Do you know who else likes to go on and say there is a “rape culture” and spreads the same idea of their dignity being destroyed by being looked at by men in any way? They are the militant feminazis, which were a cancer the turned everything they touched into crap and ruined harmony between men and women in society. Even if Jesus said this and it’s been understood literally, that still doesn’t change my position.

Society, including the church, doesn’t condemn the same for women who are “killing” financial dignity of men in society, or at least it isn’t focused on it as other positions.
 
OP, the Church does not promote the rape culture lie. It is unfair to compare the Church which is against the use of other human beings as mere sex objects to feminists who would object to you even complementing a woman on her appearance.
 
The church doesn’t promote it, but the mentality has some parallels even if that is not the intentional meaning. That was very harsh, I didn’t mean to have it come off that way.
 
It’s fine.

Also, you are despairing a bit much. People are waking up to a lot of the issues you have pointed out. The tide is turning.
 
I am not a fan of militant third wave feminism.

But none of it justifies lust. And lust applies to both men and women. I don’t understand how it’s “misandry” or even “misogyny” as if someone is being made into some kind of oppressed victim just because they are being asked to treat another human being with basic respect.
 
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And it makes me feel sick that I am growing up young in an era where any woman can simply accuse a man of rape and get off more easy on it. I feel like if I was born 30-40 years before my time, I would be able to live it up young here before it all went down the tube and got corrupted.

I am sick that in this life, that only the altruistic of God have to be disciplined, but the wicked get a free pass. I’m not going to pretend to be happy about it and not question God about it. In fact, I wish more people could see it the way I am. A God who allows such phenomenon to occur in his design isn’t all good at all and rather just neutral. I want to reiterate that I can’t accept God being described as always benevolent.
 
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I still feel that the bad stuff happening today is much more disgusting and sickening to me than what stuff might have gone in the past. Broadly speaking, I think western civilization peaked around the 1950s and started to slowly decline or dying after, even though the 60s to early 2000s weren’t bad either.
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Specifically, what to you is more sickening than let’s say slavery or Jim Crow laws? More sickening than 9/11?

I think you are really romanticizing the past. I’m sure it’s something we all do at some point. We remininsce about “the good old days”. But after you peel back the veneer, maybe they weren’t as good as we would like to remember.
 
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Women are starting to get punished for false accusations.

God is good. People choose to do evil.
 
Your feelings are not unusual. They are a natural response to changes in society created by people who don’t believe in Christian morality, and their ideas are repeated so often by the media that even some Catholics believe they are true. Try not to be angry at God but pray to Him for guidance and discernment. Others have written about these bad changes. This is not opinion.

https://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Evil-Pseudo-Experts-Corruption-Disguised/dp/1942475217

 
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DeniseNY:
Many things today are stupid that I imagined were more relaxed back then. It’s harder to be a straight male (demonizing men as evil mostly by the media and the current obsession with small things as sexual harassment) and harder to function financially or legally, especially if you wanted to get married and start a family/be a father. The statistics on marriage today by themselves make it worrisome. I don’t imagine that stuff was going on in the past, but still not saying the past was all perfect either.
 
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