Animals Are Food, or Are They

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Animals are for food, but they’re not just for food. They’re also to help us in our chores, and to give us companionship. More importantly, they’re to show forth God’s glory…and to give us an opportunity to show our wise and compasionate stewardship of His creation.
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Trelow:
How else are we going to get veal?
I’ll assume this is a serious question, and you’re not just being facetious… “Veal” simply means “meat from baby cows.” It’s quite possible to raise veal humanely. You just let the calves live normal lives in the pasture and the barn, with their mothers and the rest of the herd, then butcher them at a suitable time.

When the calf is a couple of months old – still exclusively drinking its mother’s milk – the meat is pale and tender. Trouble is, there isn’t much of a yield (i.e. profit) at this point. One solution would be to wait until the calf is a few months older before slaughtering it. By this time, of course, it’s partially weaned and developing bigger muscles from wandering around the pasture. This meat, known as “grass-fed” or “grain-fed” veal, is delicious. It just isn’t quite as delicate in flavor and texture as the younger veal, which many consumers prefer.

Another, more popular solution is for farmers to use unnatural means to raise much bigger calves that still have that “milk-fed” taste. To this end, they’ve developed all kinds of tricks, including tiny crates, nutritionally deficient formulas, and – the latest trend – growth hormone implants.

I doubt that the “fatted calf” of Prodigal Son fame was put through all that.
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Trelow:
Which animals? Do they need to see the sun? If allowed outside they would be more prone to injury and disease.
Of course it’s better for cows to be able to see the sun, just like it’s better for us. It’s how we were designed. Or do you think God made a mistake when he invented the outdoors?
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Trelow:
Try not to reference fanatical groups next time, it would make your argument much better.
Okay, PETA is dreadful. But not all of the groups Ella mentioned are fanatical about animal welfare. For example, slowfood.org is mainly interested in keeping all kinds of great-tasting foods (cheeses, sausages, etc.) from extinction. Yum yum.

In any case, maybe this reference will be more to your liking. It quotes an article that was written by an official of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and published in “L’Osservatore Romano,” the Vatican’s official newspaper, in December 2000: Vatican Official Urges Just Relationship with Animals

*Hendrickx said the question today is whether `“the right to use animals to feed oneself implies raising chicken in cages that are each smaller than a notebook.”

"Or raising calves in boxes where they cannot move or see the light of day? Or pinning down sows with iron rings into a nursing position so that piglets can suck the milk without ever stopping, and thus grow faster?’’ she said.

Hendrickx said that in applying church teaching, Catholics should remember that causing suffering to animals should be avoided unless there are serious reasons to do so. Feeding oneself or one’s family is a legitimate reason, but the sole motive of profit is not, she said.*
 
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Brendan:
Acts 10:

Animals are food because God says they are.
Maybe, but the quoted passage isn’t about eating animals. It’s about God letting the Jew Peter know that he should accept pagans, heathens, gentiles as followers of Christ. In other words, He was telling Peter that the Jewish excusiveness of the early Church must be abandoned in favor of a policy of universal acceptance.
 
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romano:
Maybe, but the quoted passage isn’t about eating animals. It’s about God letting the Jew Peter know that he should accept pagans, heathens, gentiles as followers of Christ. In other words, He was telling Peter that the Jewish excusiveness of the early Church must be abandoned in favor of a policy of universal acceptance.
That doesn’t make the literal interpretation wrong.

11 He saw heaven opened and something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered to the ground by its four corners. 12 In it were all the earth’s four-legged animals and reptiles and the birds of the sky. 13 A voice said to him, “Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat.”

God would hardly have said “Slaughter and eat” if he meant “you should only eat vegetables!”
 
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romano:
Maybe, but the quoted passage isn’t about eating animals. It’s about God letting the Jew Peter know that he should accept pagans, heathens, gentiles as followers of Christ. In other words, He was telling Peter that the Jewish excusiveness of the early Church must be abandoned in favor of a policy of universal acceptance.
Peter already knew that the Gentiles were to be converted. Christ told him to go and Convert and Baptize all nations.(Mt 28:19)

Peter also knew that Christ commissioned Paul to preach to the Gentiles. (Acts 9:15)

Peter already knew all of this, so what was the purpose of this revelation.

No, what was new in this revelation was that Christians were no longer bound by Jewish dietary laws and might freely eat of the animals God gave them.

God is most definitely talking about what we can and cannot eat
here.
 
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Brendan:
Peter already knew that the Gentiles were to be converted. Christ told him to go and Convert and Baptize all nations.(Mt 28:19)

Peter also knew that Christ commissioned Paul to preach to the Gentiles. (Acts 9:15)

Peter already knew all of this, so what was the purpose of this revelation.

No, what was new in this revelation was that Christians were no longer bound by Jewish dietary laws and might freely eat of the animals God gave them.

God is most definitely talking about what we can and cannot eat
here.
Correct.

God had already given us dominion over the beasts – the meaning of this passage is that the obstacles to converting Gentiles – of which the dietary laws were a large part – are to be swept aside.

There was never a prohibition – or even a suggestion of one – against eating meat.
 
Exactly Vern,

God’s revelation to Peter was that Jewish practices that impeded conversion (dietary restrictions in Acts 10) and circumcision (Council of Jerusalem) were to be removed.

God is not saying that the Church should covert pagans, He has already said that many times, here is God is says that we may eat meat like pagans, so that they might eat the Bread of Life like Christians.

God is giving Peter a new tool to work with, Pork and Lobster, . He may now sit down to eat with pagans and talk over dinner and have a Cheeseburger at the same time.
 
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Brendan:
Peter already knew that the Gentiles were to be converted. Christ told him to go and Convert and Baptize all nations.(Mt 28:19)

Peter also knew that Christ commissioned Paul to preach to the Gentiles. (Acts 9:15)

Peter already knew all of this, so what was the purpose of this revelation.

No, what was new in this revelation was that Christians were no longer bound by Jewish dietary laws and might freely eat of the animals God gave them.

God is most definitely talking about what we can and cannot eat
here.
I would refer you to Daniel Rops, THE CHURCH OF APOSTLES AND MARTYRS
(London: Dent, 1960, p.38):

". . . Peter was still feeling deeply puzzled about the matter when
Cornelius’s messengers knocked on his door. On following them to
Caesarea, he found himself in the presence of the centurion , who told
him of his dream. The Apostle’s eyes were suddenly opened. Now he
understood what God had been trying to tell him during his strange
trance. It was essential to transcend the Jewish legal precepts, which
related only to the letter of the law, and to yield to the spirit. In
the eyes of the Torah this pagan who longed to know Christ was impure… And yet God desired that Peter should welcome him, baptize him and make a Christian of him.
Peter still hesitated, for the decision disturbed him very much. At
that moment a supernatural phenomenon occurred, a kind of little
Pentecost [following which] Peter turned down the road which was to be
the Church’s path of triumph. He baptized Cornelius. . . . [p.38]

He “baptized” Cornelius. He didn’t enjoy a pork chop with him. He “baptized” him.

God bless.
 
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romano:
I would refer you to Daniel Rops, THE CHURCH OF APOSTLES AND MARTYRS
(London: Dent, 1960, p.38):

". . . Peter was still feeling deeply puzzled about the matter when
Cornelius’s messengers knocked on his door. On following them to
Caesarea, he found himself in the presence of the centurion , who told
him of his dream. The Apostle’s eyes were suddenly opened. Now he
understood what God had been trying to tell him during his strange
trance. It was essential to transcend the Jewish legal precepts, which
related only to the letter of the law, and to yield to the spirit. In
the eyes of the Torah this pagan who longed to know Christ was impure… And yet God desired that Peter should welcome him, baptize him and make a Christian of him.
Peter still hesitated, for the decision disturbed him very much. At
that moment a supernatural phenomenon occurred, a kind of little
Pentecost [following which] Peter turned down the road which was to be
the Church’s path of triumph. He baptized Cornelius. . . . [p.38]

He “baptized” Cornelius. He didn’t enjoy a pork chop with him. He “baptized” him.

God bless.
Acts 10, 1-3

1 1 Now the apostles and the brothers who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles too had accepted the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem the circumcised believers confronted him, 3 saying, “You entered 2 the house of uncircumcised people and ate with them.”

Peter ATE with gentiles – and the other Apostles remonstrated with him about it.

We don’t know WHAT he ate – but it clearly wasn’t in accordance with Jewish law, and might well have been a pork chop.
 
vern humphrey:
We don’t know WHAT he ate – but it clearly wasn’t in accordance with Jewish law, and might well have been a pork chop.
It doesn’t get clearer than the letter from the council of Jerusalem:
“It is the decision of the Holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, namely to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.” Acts 15:28-19
They were not advocating keeping kosher, let alone requiring a vegetarian diet.

They sent this letter out with Paul and Barnabas, who, however, abstained from particular foods when it would scandalize the weak:

“Now food will not bring us closer to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, nor are we better off if we do. But make sure that this liberty of yours in no way becomes a stumbling block for the weak… Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I may not cause my brother to sin.” 1 Cor 9:8-9,13)

“Everything is lawful, but not everything is beneficial. Everything is lawful, but not everything builds up. No one should seek his own advantage, but that of his neighbor… So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God. Avoid giving offense, whether to Jews or Greeks or the church of God, just as I try to please everyone in every way, not seeking my own benefit but that of the many, that they may be saved.” 1 Cor 10:23-24;31-33.

So clearly, Paul writes that if you know that seeing you eating veal is going to scandalize someone, avoid it. Additionally, if you read all of 1 Cor 10:23-33, he advocates a “don’t ask” policy on the propriety of meat for sale in the market or that your host might offer you, too.
 
Brendan said:
[snip]
God is most definitely talking about what we can and cannot eat
here.

What Peter says of his vision is this:

“. . . God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean” (Acts 10:28).

The Navarre notes add: “Up to this point the Gospel has been preached only to Jews. . . .Cornelius is regarded as the first pagan convert to Christianity” (‘Gospels and Acts,’ pp.782-3.

Although there’s a smidgin of truth to what you folks are saying, I can’t for the life of me understand why you wish to use this incredibly important event to justify your desire to gorge on corpses.

The Navarre notes continue: “The conversion of the pagan Cornelius is one of the high points of the Acts. It is an extremely important event because it demonstrates that the Gospel is addressed to all men. . . .” (p.782).

I think the Navarre people have got their emphasis in the right place.
 
Let me get this straight:

So damaging your health is OK; gorging on grain-fed beef while many in
the world go hungry is OK; seriously polluting the environment is OK;
extreme cruelty to animals is OK; ignoring what your own catechism tells
you is OK.

Hmmm. . . . What at least some of you seem to be saying is: “Why should
I worry about harming my health?” “Why should I worry about hungry
people?” “Why should I worry about the sufferings of mere animals?”
“Why should I worry about the environment?” “Why should I worry about
what the Church says?”

I recall here the words of Montezuma, Chief of the blood-soaked Aztec
Empire (an Empire similar in certain respects to yours) before it was
brought down by the conquistadores:

“We shall be judged, and punished.”
 
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romano:
Although there’s a smidgin of truth to what you folks are saying, I can’t for the life of me understand why you wish to use this incredibly important event to justify your desire to gorge on corpses. .
When you say things like this, it destroys your credibility.
 
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romano:
Although there’s a smidgin of truth to what you folks are saying, I can’t for the life of me understand why you wish to use this incredibly important event to justify your desire to gorge on corpses.
OK, how about this. What did God Himself command be done with the lambs slaughtered at each and every Passover?

What did the Risen Christ do with the fish Peter cooked for breakfast?
 
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Brendan:
OK, how about this. What did God Himself command be done with the lambs slaughtered at each and every Passover?

What did the Risen Christ do with the fish Peter cooked for breakfast?
Nice post. But when people start accusing you of having a “desire to gorge on corpses,” they are pretty much beyond all logic.
 
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, anyone who doesn’t like cats just ain’t cookin them right. 😃
 
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Lance:
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, anyone who doesn’t like cats just ain’t cookin them right. 😃
Well --you’re going to hear about that one and now Sharpton has tken up the cause of chickens and boycotting the Colonel’s outfit.
😃
 
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romano:
Let me get this straight:

So damaging your health is OK; gorging on grain-fed beef while many in
the world go hungry is OK; seriously polluting the environment is OK;
extreme cruelty to animals is OK; ignoring what your own catechism tells
you is OK.

Hmmm. . . . What at least some of you seem to be saying is: “Why should
I worry about harming my health?” “Why should I worry about hungry
people?” “Why should I worry about the sufferings of mere animals?”
“Why should I worry about the environment?” “Why should I worry about
what the Church says?”
Eating meat is not unhealthy, per se. Although an all-meat diet would certainly result in malnutrition, a vegan diet also requires particular care to avoid malnutrition. Eating meat does not entail gorging, nor is it gluttonous, per se. Not all beef is grain-fed, nor is grain-fed beef sinful, per se, nor is animal husbandry the same as animal cruelty. The Church does not condemn either animal husbandry or the eating of meat, per se, but only when done in a manner that is cruel or environmentally unsound.

Likewise, being a vegetarian does not necessarily feed anyone nor relieve anyone’s hunger, nor does eating meat necessarily condemn anyone to hunger. Peacemaking would feed far more people than switching to a vegetarian diet and staying out of politics.

Make your point, but do watch to make sure your rhetoric remains honest.
 
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