Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

[Verbum_Caro]

I have some experience with dairy farming, and the conditions shown and described do not exist on any dairy farm I have ever seen. This does not give me confidence that the producers of this video have not likewise selectively chosen the most sensational atypical video that they could find in regards to other farming and food processing methods.

Leopard,

I watched it too.

I agree with you, my experiences with dairy farming/cattle raising, and livestock slaughter don’t totally square with this video. It seems to me that that footage was taken “undercover”, and which could explain some of the graininess. . . but some of the techniques in the video – from the voice over, to the editing, etc – seems a bit dramatic.

So, I agree with you, it seems a questionable piece. For instance, I can’t quite understand the narrator’s insistence that these animals are slaughtered without any anesthesia. I’ve never seen anesthesia administered to any animals before slaughter, in any farming operation – small scale or industrial. If we (or our forefathers) raised a cow or a couple of chickens on our land would we (or they) have administered anesthesia? Perhaps I am mistaken, though.

That said, there is no reason not to (and good reason to) strive to take care of, raise, and slaughter our animals in the most humane way feasible. I think many would agree that some of our modern techniques need further scrutiny, and a possible reform. We want to avoid being Luddites of course, but there does seem to be a danger that “industrialization” can devolve into “dehumanization”. But that seems to be the danger in all areas. Original sin, you know!

VC

 

[yellowbird]

I am MUCH more concerned with the slaughter of unborn PEOPLE than I am with the slaughter of animals. When PETA starts caring about THAT, I might listen to what else they have to say.

 

[Catholic90]

Please view the video before you reply. If God presented this to you, and asked for your deeply thought response, you would make it into a joke? It is **impossible **to respond to this thread unless you view the video. If you are a person of depth, I and the community of God’s children, would appreciate you taking the time to seriously consider how our modern ways and manufacturing processes disrespect God and God’s creation. You can not do a movie review without seeing the movie first, or a book review without reading the book. This topic requires a response based on the viewing of the You Tube video: Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

OK, I watched it.

I grew up on a dairy farm, and my parents still farm beef cattle.

This video is full of SO MANY untruths, half truths, twisted statements, unsupported “facts” (ie lies), and bogus invented statements, it is laughable.

Marfran has an agenda, plain and simple. Next time Marfran, please find reputable sources, not some PETA propaganda, which is all this is.

Eating meat is completely compatible with Catholicism. Jesus Himself ate meat -

 

[Catholic90]

I am MUCH more concerned with the slaughter of unborn PEOPLE than I am with the slaughter of animals. When PETA starts caring about THAT, I might listen to what else they have to say.

Exactly.

 

[Sair]

Please view the video before you reply. If God presented this to you, and asked for your deeply thought response, you would make it into a joke? It is **impossible **to respond to this thread unless you view the video. If you are a person of depth, I and the community of God’s children, would appreciate you taking the time to seriously consider how our modern ways and manufacturing processes disrespect God and God’s creation. You can not do a movie review without seeing the movie first, or a book review without reading the book. This topic requires a response based on the viewing of the You Tube video: Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

May I say that even without viewing this specific video, I have seen more than enough evidence of human abuse of other animals to inform my opinion.

Basically, we treat other animals like commodities. One cannot support inhumane treatment of animals and still claim to be “pro-life”. It is hypocrisy in the extreme.

 

[Sair]

OK, I watched it.

I grew up on a dairy farm, and my parents still farm beef cattle.

This video is full of SO MANY untruths, half truths, twisted statements, unsupported “facts” (ie lies), and bogus invented statements, it is laughable.

Marfran has an agenda, plain and simple. Next time Marfran, please find reputable sources, not some PETA propaganda, which is all this is.

Eating meat is completely compatible with Catholicism. Jesus Himself ate meat -

It’s not the eating of meat that is at issue.

The problem is the methods of meat production. Animals are abused in the process, denied their basic needs and treated as objects to be bought and sold. I’m pretty sure intensive farming practices did not exist at the time Jesus walked the earth.

 

[Leopard]

It’s not the eating of meat that is at issue.

The problem is the methods of meat production. Animals are abused in the process, denied their basic needs and treated as objects to be bought and sold. I’m pretty sure intensive farming practices did not exist at the time Jesus walked the earth.

The point that some of the serious replies have been making is that the problems shown and described in the video are not typical.

 

[Oreoracle]

1. I must confess, I don’t really get this all this “poor animals” stuff. It is OK for one animal to kill and eat another animal. And when a lion hunts a gazelle, believe me, it is a mess. But it is not OK for me to go out and buy some pork, and the pig was killed in an instant by the butcher (as opposed to struggling gazelle…). Perhaps we should also force other animals to become vegetarian???

Most animals are not sapient enough to truly reconsider their actions, whereas you are. They can’t make the choice to eat the meat or not, while you can. Your argument is little different than the classic “But Mom, the other kids are doing it!”

 

[Verbum_Caro]

One cannot support inhumane treatment of animals and still claim to be “pro-life”. It is hypocrisy in the extreme.

Sair,

Ignoring for the moment the issue surrounding food production, I don’t think your above statement is sound.

It seems to me that one can be horrified at the immense evil of willful murder of unborn children and yet not be moved by other evils (and in this case, a lesser evil). It is not hypocrisy. Perhaps it is the infirmity of human nature? Perhaps it is the natural limitation of our abilities to focus on something? I don’t quite know. But I do know that those who are in the fight for the lives of the unborn cannot be charged with hypocrisy for not putting as much time and energy in, say, lobbying for the protection of an endangered bird species, or even, say, helping the homeless in Omaha, Nebraska.

Do you see what I am getting at?

It is even possible for someone to morally mistaken about certain things – for instance, supporting say, artificial contraception, and yet morally correct in their abhorrence for abortion. Again, I wouldn’t call it hypocritical. People can do right things and not do everything right.

VC

 

[yellowbird]

Most animals are not sapient enough to truly reconsider their actions, whereas you are. They can’t make the choice to eat the meat or not, while you can. Your argument is little different than the classic “But Mom, the other kids are doing it!”

And I chose to eat the meat.

What’s wrong with that? My authority on right vs. wrong is my Church who gets it’s authority from God. Since my Church hasn’t said that eating meat is wrong, why should I believe it is?

 

[Catholic90]

It’s not the eating of meat that is at issue.

The problem is the methods of meat production. Animals are abused in the process, denied their basic needs and treated as objects to be bought and sold. I’m pretty sure intensive farming practices did not exist at the time Jesus walked the earth.

No, the problem is the half truths and outright LIES PETA is promoting. Most animals are NOT abused. In fact, as any good farmer (small, medium, or factory) will tell you, mistreated and abused animals do not perform as well as animals treated well. Good farmers will not abuse their animals.

The video is so full of lies, it is ridiculous.

 

[rpp]

Being a vegetarian has absolutely nothing to do with being pro-life.

The PETA message is based in LIES. PETA is a propaganda outfit and NOTHING they say is completely truthful. PETA has less credibility that those who promote the alien abductions.

 

[Sair]

The point that some of the serious replies have been making is that the problems shown and described in the video are not typical.

It’s not necessary for extreme abuses to be typical in order for systemic abuse to take place. As long as we consider our desires to be more important than the basic needs of other species, we will always be out of balance with the natural world. That is where the real, serious problem lies.

 

[Sair]

Most animals are not sapient enough to truly reconsider their actions, whereas you are. They can’t make the choice to eat the meat or not, while you can. Your argument is little different than the classic “But Mom, the other kids are doing it!”

In addition, if you look at the predator/prey balance in the natural environment, you’ll notice that prey species far outnumber predators. This is the law of sustainability. Doesn’t apply when we have nearly 7 billion humans on the planet, and the minority living in the West get the lion’s share of the meat. Humans are the only animals that habitually take more than we need from our planet.

 

[deb1]

Not necessarily. I just like my steak such that If I decide not to eat it, there’s a chance that the steer will recover.

Thanks to this post, I choked on the chocolate chip cookie I was eating.

 

[bbarrick8383]

to respond to this thread unless you view the video. If you are a person of depth, I and the community of God’s children, would appreciate you taking the time to seriously consider how our modern ways and manufacturing processes disrespect God and God’s creation.

I am now doing the impossible, responding to this thread without seeing the video.

Personally, I think you need to eat some meat Marfran. The lack of proper nutrition has got you a bit off your rocker. You should come down here to Oklahoma, I’m sure we got some male calfs on the ground ready to work. You’d enjoy some good ol calf fries, I’ll even let you brand the baby calf if you’d like.

Hmm…all this talk about meat is making me hungry, gonna go ask the wife if she will throw some burgers on for dinner tonight. BTW, my burgers come from my cows . My bacon also comes from my pigs .

 

[Sair]

Sair,

Ignoring for the moment the issue surrounding food production, I don’t think your above statement is sound.

It seems to me that one can be horrified at the immense evil of willful murder of unborn children and yet not be moved by other evils (and in this case, a lesser evil). It is not hypocrisy. Perhaps it is the infirmity of human nature? Perhaps it is the natural limitation of our abilities to focus on something? I don’t quite know. But I do know that those who are in the fight for the lives of the unborn cannot be charged with hypocrisy for not putting as much time and energy in, say, lobbying for the protection of an endangered bird species, or even, say, helping the homeless in Omaha, Nebraska.

Do you see what I am getting at?

It is even possible for someone to morally mistaken about certain things – for instance, supporting say, artificial contraception, and yet morally correct in their abhorrence for abortion. Again, I wouldn’t call it hypocritical. People can do right things and not do everything right.

VC

Good points

I should think your (name removed by moderator)ut would have been most instructive on the thread regarding the morality or otherwise of supporting animal charities while humans are in need. Your realisitic approach is truly refreshing. I guess everyone adopts the issue for which they feel the most affinity. :idea:

 

[Catholic90]

It’s not necessary for extreme abuses to be typical in order for systemic abuse to take place. As long as we consider our desires to be more important than the basic needs of other species, we will always be out of balance with the natural world. That is where the real, serious problem lies.

Properly farmed animals are not abused. Peta finds extreme cases and exploits them as typical, when they are not.

God gave man dominion over all - including animals.

 

[deb1]

My family has purchased a bunch of chickens to use as meat and egg layers. They will be in a moveable, covered pen so that they can get plenty of sunshine, bugs and have room.

Eventually we will humanely dispatch some of the chickens with an axe. We’ve done this before and home grown chicken is very good.

Our chickens do lead a good life before their very quick deaths.

 

[bbarrick8383]

My family has purchased a bunch of chickens to use as meat and egg layers. They will be in a moveable, covered pen so that they can get plenty of sunshine, bugs and have room.

Eventually we will humanely dispatch some of the chickens with an axe. We’ve done this before and home grown chicken is very good.

Our chickens do lead a good life before their very quick deaths.

When I was a kid, my baby sitter use to ask us if we would like some fresh chicken for lunch. She’d go out back and wring a chickens neck and cook it up. It doesnt get any fresher than that.